The Left Loses Ground...

Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

Wasn't this country settled when the consensus on the European continent was the monarchies derived their absolute powers from a divine right granted by the Christian God?

Let me save the trouble...yes they were...
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Christians believe that Jesus is divine. Jesus was the Messiah.

Do you?
Check the screen name, moron. What's yer point?

So your assertion is that Christians are wrong. Christians are worshipping a false god in the form of Christ.

So if Christians can't even get that right, why are you touting them as geniuses on anything else?
Are you admitting that you want to see Chrsitians burned at the stake?

Your deflection to strawman arguments means you have lost this argument. Better luck next time, sappy.

You...you do realize that the only one talking about 'burning folks at the stake'...is you. And that your bizarre response is an obvious non-sequitur.

You're obviously trying to flee now. Why?
 
Imposing values per the constitution.
You're free to buy an Island and found Christlandia.

Christians founded the United States, established a government upon Judea/Christian Principles.

Which contrary to your starkly limited understanding does not establish Christianity as the National Religion, only the principles which govern Christianity, as those which govern the United States.

You should TRY to understand what that means, but you should become comfortable with the reality that such is likely WELL beyond your means to understand. As a result, the weeping and gnashing of tooth by your cult of idiocy to 'HOPE TO CHANGE' that... , like you personally... is irrelevant.

Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

Wasn't this country settled when the consensus on the European continent was the monarchies derived their absolute powers from a divine right granted by the Christian God?

Let me save the trouble...yes they were...
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Do you deny that the divine right of kings was a Christian belief?
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?
 
We're a Christian nation?

Do you people realize that in the era of the settlement of this country, Christians were fighting other Christians, over religious issues, as they had been for centuries?
 
Christians founded the United States, established a government upon Judea/Christian Principles.

Which contrary to your starkly limited understanding does not establish Christianity as the National Religion, only the principles which govern Christianity, as those which govern the United States.

You should TRY to understand what that means, but you should become comfortable with the reality that such is likely WELL beyond your means to understand. As a result, the weeping and gnashing of tooth by your cult of idiocy to 'HOPE TO CHANGE' that... , like you personally... is irrelevant.

Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

Wasn't this country settled when the consensus on the European continent was the monarchies derived their absolute powers from a divine right granted by the Christian God?

Let me save the trouble...yes they were...
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Do you deny that the divine right of kings was a Christian belief?
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

In comparison to what? The Christian faiths were largely in on the matter, as it granted them a certain legitimacy within a system of kings as the holder of moral justification for a king's rule. The idea that the people weren't in on it is rather odd. As it would mean that on this ONE issue, but none of the others that they were taught as Christian dogma, they dissented.

And the evidence historically doesn't support that for centuries. Its not until the church's authority was wanning in all areas of life that political teachings began to wane with them.

Rendering your account implausible.

I have no idea what this has to do with my beliefs. I'm not even a Christian.
 
Contrary to the pretend principles the RWnuts are throwing around in this thread,

they would LOVE the judicial system, in principle, if it were packed with rightwingers they agreed with.
Actually we'd like a judicial system that worked as it was supposed to. Not one that concerned itself with imposing values by fiat.

No, you want a judicial system that advances your agenda. And you are not the authority to declare how our judicial system is supposed to work.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how the judicial system should work. Only brainwashed drones like you think Americans don't have the right to speak their minds.

Americans have spoken their minds. The Supreme Court as it exists is the product of the American voter elected certain presidents and certain senators who in fact decide who is on the court.

Americans voted against gay marriage whenever it came up for a vote.

Maine, Maryland and Washington State have all voted in gay marriage by popular referendum. Minnesota rejected an amendment to ban same sex marriage in the same fashion. In fact, every time the matter has come to a popular since the shift in public opinion in 2010, gay marriage has won. And gay marriage has been voted in by the assemblies of 10 other states.

You....you realize that you don't actually know what you're talking about, right?

The Supreme court is a collection of political hacks. You're admitting that their decisions have nothing to do with what the Constitution actually says.

The Supreme Court is part of the constitution. And per Federalist Paper 78, the court's role is the interpret the constitution. That you dismiss them doesn't change their constitutional role. Remember, constitutionality isn't defined by your personal opinion.
 
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Christians founded the United States, established a government upon Judea/Christian Principles.

Which contrary to your starkly limited understanding does not establish Christianity as the National Religion, only the principles which govern Christianity, as those which govern the United States.

You should TRY to understand what that means, but you should become comfortable with the reality that such is likely WELL beyond your means to understand. As a result, the weeping and gnashing of tooth by your cult of idiocy to 'HOPE TO CHANGE' that... , like you personally... is irrelevant.

Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

Wasn't this country settled when the consensus on the European continent was the monarchies derived their absolute powers from a divine right granted by the Christian God?

Let me save the trouble...yes they were...
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Do you deny that the divine right of kings was a Christian belief?
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?

Yes, it was a claim maintained by the monarchy. Whether the common folk entertained it is another issue. The French Revolution demonstrated that they held no such belief by the end of the 18th century.
 
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Actually we'd like a judicial system that worked as it was supposed to. Not one that concerned itself with imposing values by fiat.

No, you want a judicial system that advances your agenda. And you are not the authority to declare how our judicial system is supposed to work.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how the judicial system should work. Only brainwashed drones like you think Americans don't have the right to speak their minds.

Americans have spoken their minds. The Supreme Court as it exists is the product of the American voter elected certain presidents and certain senators who in fact decide who is on the court.

Americans voted against gay marriage whenever it came up for a vote.

Maine, Maryland and Washington State have all voted in gay marriage by popular referendum. Minnesota rejected an amendment to ban same sex marriage. In fact, every time the matter has come to a vote since the shift in public opinion in 2010, gay marriage has won. And gay marriage has been voted in by the assemblies of 10 other states.

You....you realize that you don't actually know what you're talking about, right?

The Supreme court is a collection of political hacks. You're admitting that their decisions have nothing to do with what the Constitution actually says.

The Supreme Court is part of the constitution. And per Federalist Paper 78, the court's role is the interpret the constitution. That you dismiss them doesn't change their constitutional role. Remember, constitutionality isn't defined by your personal opinion.

Votes by the state legislature only demonstrates what kind of pandering politicians are willing to engage in. According to Wiki only Maryland and Washington approved gay marriage by referendum. In almost all the other state that have gay marriage it is court imposed.
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

LOL!

Setting aside your erroneous attempt to answer your own question... wherein ya cited a notion that preceded the Magna Carta. (LOL! Ya poor dumbass...)

The Constitution rests directly upon the Charter of American Principles that set forth the principles which were issued as the moral justification requiring our separation from Britain.

What's more, every facet of American principle is risen straight from the scriptures Gilligan. From "No Taxation without Representation, to the construct of republican governance itself, come straight out of Exodus Gilligan.

The grace of God, brought to us by Christ, established the terms of divine rights, individual equality and the authority to exercise such, without permission and in defiance of tyrannical government.

Now, please by all means, take the time to dismiss the Charter of American Principles, as you tout the Constitution as sacrosanct, despite the logical certainty that absent the principles, the constitution is meaningless... (which is why the Left can find NO MEANING in the Constitution, except that which they conjure, which serves your own subjective needs).

Really? Then who decided that the divine right of kings was not a legitimate Christian belief?

Did God?
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

Wasn't this country settled when the consensus on the European continent was the monarchies derived their absolute powers from a divine right granted by the Christian God?

Let me save the trouble...yes they were...
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Do you deny that the divine right of kings was a Christian belief?
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?

Yes, it was a claim maintained by the monarchy. Whether the common fold entertained it is another issue. The French Revolution demonstrated that they held no such belief by the end of the 18th century.

It was also put to rest by the reasoning set forth in the Magna Carta, which effectively found that that everybody, including the king, was subject to the law... Which is to say that "All men are created Equal", which is... what Christ said.

Which was what the Pharisees used as a justification to turn Christ over to Pilot. Ya see, Caesar took a dim view of that principle.... (FYI Gilligan, Caesar preceded the Magna Carta, by roughly 1200 years.)
 
No, you want a judicial system that advances your agenda. And you are not the authority to declare how our judicial system is supposed to work.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how the judicial system should work. Only brainwashed drones like you think Americans don't have the right to speak their minds.

Americans have spoken their minds. The Supreme Court as it exists is the product of the American voter elected certain presidents and certain senators who in fact decide who is on the court.

Americans voted against gay marriage whenever it came up for a vote.

Maine, Maryland and Washington State have all voted in gay marriage by popular referendum. Minnesota rejected an amendment to ban same sex marriage. In fact, every time the matter has come to a vote since the shift in public opinion in 2010, gay marriage has won. And gay marriage has been voted in by the assemblies of 10 other states.

You....you realize that you don't actually know what you're talking about, right?

The Supreme court is a collection of political hacks. You're admitting that their decisions have nothing to do with what the Constitution actually says.

The Supreme Court is part of the constitution. And per Federalist Paper 78, the court's role is the interpret the constitution. That you dismiss them doesn't change their constitutional role. Remember, constitutionality isn't defined by your personal opinion.

Votes by the state legislature only demonstrates what kind of pandering politicians are willing to engage in. According to Wiki only Maryland and Washington approved gay marriage by referendum. In almost all the other state that have gay marriage it is court imposed.

lol, referendum? That's direct democracy, aka, mob rule, as the cons like to call it.
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

LOL!

Setting aside your erroneous attempt to answer your own question... wherein ya cited a notion that preceded the Magna Carta. (LOL! Ya poor dumbass...)

The Constitution rests directly upon the Charter of American Principles that set forth the principles which were issued as the moral justification requiring our separation from Britain.

Says who? Per the founders, the constitution rests on the people. You say otherwise. And your 'Charter of American Principles' in all caps isn't a document. Its you trying to offer us your imagination as the basis of your argument again, where you make up your own 'Charter'.

That never works.

What's more, every facet of American principle is risen straight from the scriptures Gilligan. From "No Taxation without Representation, to the construct of republican governance itself, come straight out of Exodus Gilligan.

You've already rejected the religious reasoning of the founders as invalid, Keyes. Remember, when we had our discussion of how Christian doctrine is relativistic, subject to the culture, history and society where it is is used.

Where the Puritans killed gays and adulterers.

The Founders killed gays but NOT adulterers.

And modern Christians kill neither.

With you rejecting the founders' interpretations of Christianity in favor of your own. You can't reject as invalid the founder's interpretations of Christianity and at the same time base your entire argument on the founder's interpretation of Christianity.

Well you could. But you'd be so laughably inconsistent as to be a punchline. And I'd be obligated to point and laugh at you. Again.

The grace of God, brought to us by Christ, established the terms of divine rights, individual equality and the authority to exercise such, without permission and in defiance of tyrannical government.

God isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. Nor does it mention Christ. It does, however, mention the people.

Jefferson was not a big believer in Christian metaphysics. And as the writer of Declaration of Independence, the only document where even a 'creator' is mentioned, you're not going to find much support for the notions of your Christian God being the basis of rights.
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

LOL!

Setting aside your erroneous attempt to answer your own question... wherein ya cited a notion that preceded the Magna Carta. (LOL! Ya poor dumbass...)

The Constitution rests directly upon the Charter of American Principles that set forth the principles which were issued as the moral justification requiring our separation from Britain.

What's more, every facet of American principle is risen straight from the scriptures Gilligan. From "No Taxation without Representation, to the construct of republican governance itself, come straight out of Exodus Gilligan.

The grace of God, brought to us by Christ, established the terms of divine rights, individual equality and the authority to exercise such, without permission and in defiance of tyrannical government.

Now, please by all means, take the time to dismiss the Charter of American Principles, as you tout the Constitution as sacrosanct, despite the logical certainty that absent the principles, the constitution is meaningless... (which is why the Left can find NO MEANING in the Constitution, except that which they conjure, which serves your own subjective needs).
 
They are inherent in the belief of the worth of an individual qua individual. I realize an uneducated, narrow minded bigoted drone like you can in no ways appreciate that. But there it is.

Do you deny that the divine right of kings was a Christian belief?
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?

Yes, it was a claim maintained by the monarchy. Whether the common fold entertained it is another issue. The French Revolution demonstrated that they held no such belief by the end of the 18th century.

It was also put to rest by the reasoning set forth in the Magna Carta, which effectively found that that everybody, including the king, was subject to the law... Which is to say that "All men are created Equal", which is... what Christ said.

Which was what the Pharisees used as a justification to turn Christ over to Pilot. Ya see, Caesar took a dim view of that principle.... (FYI Gilligan, Caesar preceded the Magna Carta, by roughly 1200 years.)

So Men get to decide what God is for or against?

That's pretty much an argument for the non-existence of God.
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

LOL!

Setting aside your erroneous attempt to answer your own question... wherein ya cited a notion that preceded the Magna Carta. (LOL! Ya poor dumbass...)

The Constitution rests directly upon the Charter of American Principles that set forth the principles which were issued as the moral justification requiring our separation from Britain.

What's more, every facet of American principle is risen straight from the scriptures Gilligan. From "No Taxation without Representation, to the construct of republican governance itself, come straight out of Exodus Gilligan.

The grace of God, brought to us by Christ, established the terms of divine rights, individual equality and the authority to exercise such, without permission and in defiance of tyrannical government.

Now, please by all means, take the time to dismiss the Charter of American Principles, as you tout the Constitution as sacrosanct, despite the logical certainty that absent the principles, the constitution is meaningless... (which is why the Left can find NO MEANING in the Constitution, except that which they conjure, which serves your own subjective needs).

You're spamming again.

Next comes the summary declaration of victory.

Then the rout.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how the judicial system should work. Only brainwashed drones like you think Americans don't have the right to speak their minds.

Americans have spoken their minds. The Supreme Court as it exists is the product of the American voter elected certain presidents and certain senators who in fact decide who is on the court.

Americans voted against gay marriage whenever it came up for a vote.

Maine, Maryland and Washington State have all voted in gay marriage by popular referendum. Minnesota rejected an amendment to ban same sex marriage. In fact, every time the matter has come to a vote since the shift in public opinion in 2010, gay marriage has won. And gay marriage has been voted in by the assemblies of 10 other states.

You....you realize that you don't actually know what you're talking about, right?

The Supreme court is a collection of political hacks. You're admitting that their decisions have nothing to do with what the Constitution actually says.

The Supreme Court is part of the constitution. And per Federalist Paper 78, the court's role is the interpret the constitution. That you dismiss them doesn't change their constitutional role. Remember, constitutionality isn't defined by your personal opinion.

Votes by the state legislature only demonstrates what kind of pandering politicians are willing to engage in. According to Wiki only Maryland and Washington approved gay marriage by referendum. In almost all the other state that have gay marriage it is court imposed.

lol, referendum? That's direct democracy, aka, mob rule, as the cons like to call it.
True enough. What do you propose to replace it with, judge rule?
 
So Men get to decide what God is for or against?

Men 'get' to use the sound reason God granted them, to discern what God is... both for and against; although, it's more of a duty, than an opportunity.

This of course excludes you, in that while you may be male, you've never been in a state which would have ever qualified you to claim the title 'Man'... because of your decidedly feminine disposition and your distinct lack of any discernible means to reason, soundly.
 
Where is representative government and the principles of the Bill of Rights in Christianity?

LOL!

Setting aside your erroneous attempt to answer your own question... wherein ya cited a notion that preceded the Magna Carta. (LOL! Ya poor dumbass...)

The Constitution rests directly upon the Charter of American Principles that set forth the principles which were issued as the moral justification requiring our separation from Britain.

Just for the record here, do you have reliable link to the so-called Charter of American Principles?
 
It was mostly the belief of monarchies.

Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?

Yes, it was a claim maintained by the monarchy. Whether the common fold entertained it is another issue. The French Revolution demonstrated that they held no such belief by the end of the 18th century.

It was also put to rest by the reasoning set forth in the Magna Carta, which effectively found that that everybody, including the king, was subject to the law... Which is to say that "All men are created Equal", which is... what Christ said.

Which was what the Pharisees used as a justification to turn Christ over to Pilot. Ya see, Caesar took a dim view of that principle.... (FYI Gilligan, Caesar preceded the Magna Carta, by roughly 1200 years.)

So Men get to decide what God is for or against?

That's pretty much an argument for the non-existence of God.

Men get to use the sound reason God granted them, to discern what God is... both for and against.

This of course excludes you, in that while you may be male, you've never been in a state which would have ever qualified you to claim the title 'Man'... because of your decidedly feminine disposition and your distinct lack of any discernible means to reason, soundly.

So God is a creation of Man.

Goddam you're catching on.
 
Do you understand that 'divine right' is a reference to God?

Yes, it was a claim maintained by the monarchy. Whether the common fold entertained it is another issue. The French Revolution demonstrated that they held no such belief by the end of the 18th century.

It was also put to rest by the reasoning set forth in the Magna Carta, which effectively found that that everybody, including the king, was subject to the law... Which is to say that "All men are created Equal", which is... what Christ said.

Which was what the Pharisees used as a justification to turn Christ over to Pilot. Ya see, Caesar took a dim view of that principle.... (FYI Gilligan, Caesar preceded the Magna Carta, by roughly 1200 years.)

So Men get to decide what God is for or against?

That's pretty much an argument for the non-existence of God.

Men get to use the sound reason God granted them, to discern what God is... both for and against.

This of course excludes you, in that while you may be male, you've never been in a state which would have ever qualified you to claim the title 'Man'... because of your decidedly feminine disposition and your distinct lack of any discernible means to reason, soundly.

So God is a creation of Man.

Goddam you're catching on.

I see... Yes Gilligan, I agree with you that Saturday comes when men raise their skirts and orange skies shine darkness on the light of sesame street. :whip:
 

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