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Why does that make a difference?
Why does that make a difference?
It makes a difference because people tend to use the word to describe programs they do not agree with while not using it for the ones they do. The farm subsides I mentioned at the start of the thread is a good example. It is probably the closest program we have to socialism in this country right now yet 95% of those on the right have no problems with the program.
Why does that make a difference?
It makes a difference because people tend to use the word to describe programs they do not agree with while not using it for the ones they do. The farm subsides I mentioned at the start of the thread is a good example. It is probably the closest program we have to socialism in this country right now yet 95% of those on the right have no problems with the program.
While I'm down with pointing out all the hypocrisy on the issue, that doesn't really explain why it's important to pretend Bernie isn't a socialist. Bernie doesn't deny it, yet his supporters are scrambling desperately to pretend he's "just kidding". It's weird - Bernie has the courage of his convictions but his supporters don't.
Why does that make a difference?
It makes a difference because people tend to use the word to describe programs they do not agree with while not using it for the ones they do. The farm subsides I mentioned at the start of the thread is a good example. It is probably the closest program we have to socialism in this country right now yet 95% of those on the right have no problems with the program.
While I'm down with pointing out all the hypocrisy on the issue, that doesn't really explain why it's important to pretend Bernie isn't a socialist. Bernie doesn't deny it, yet his supporters are scrambling desperately to pretend he's "just kidding". It's weird - Bernie has the courage of his convictions but his supporters don't.
I have no problem calling Berine a socialist, the irony is that according to their own definition he is not to most of the people responding to this thread.
Yep. Most people are ill-informed and run on confirmation bias. Democracy is kind of pointless for that reason.
It's been a bipartisan effort- so that makes it all better.
One thing that has been proven true over time is that both sides have their versions of socialism they will fight to keep
True socialism does not exist in any sector of american life today. social security and medicare are always mentioned as being socialistic, they aren't. We pay into them our entire working lives, the are a prepaid retirement benefit for those who live long enough. Welfare and food stamps are a form of charity managed by the government, not true socialism either.
socialism means that the government controls the means of production of everything we need or use. that has never worked anyplace. if you can give examples where its worked, bring them.
True socialism does not exist in the world today, yet we hear about it all the time.
Can you give any examples of where it has been tried? Even in Valenzuela the government does not control the means of production of everything
Anomalies not codified and not permanent. Basically red meat for not-too-brights who point and say things like "So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?"So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
Do you think gov't purchases of military equip and weapons are sure signs that America is a socialist country?
We have been giving subsides to farmers for decades and decades, that is not an anomaly and it is permanent.
Why does that make a difference?
It makes a difference because people tend to use the word to describe programs they do not agree with while not using it for the ones they do. The farm subsides I mentioned at the start of the thread is a good example. It is probably the closest program we have to socialism in this country right now yet 95% of those on the right have no problems with the program.
Why does that make a difference?
It makes a difference because people tend to use the word to describe programs they do not agree with while not using it for the ones they do. The farm subsides I mentioned at the start of the thread is a good example. It is probably the closest program we have to socialism in this country right now yet 95% of those on the right have no problems with the program.
90% is a gross overstatement. What % of of those on the left agree with farm subsidies, probably 99%
LOL. So you believe in socialism for the 1%. Well, at least you’re honest about it.The extreme wealthy already have socialism. Why do you find this acceptable, but socialism for the poor is unacceptable?Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles
Capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than socialism
It's not even close.
And no, I'm sorry, the "poor" in the US are rich compared to the poor around the world.
It's hard to tell exactly what the hell he is. He calls himself a socialist but then refers to countries like Denmark and Venezuela as socialist when they are very different regimes. Denmark of much farther away from socialism than Venezuela.Bernie isnt a socialist?That isnt socialism, numbnuts.So, what is your take on subsides to farmers and to the bailouts they have gotten over the last couple years from the conservatives in power right now?
neither is anything else in this country, yet it is all people like you seem to be able to talk about.
Yep...we really must continue socialism for the 1% and special interests, the rest of the populace gets hugged free market capitalism.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Nothing works for bitter, petulant, leftarded crybabies, Comrade G … grow up.Yep...we really must continue socialism for the 1% and special interests, the rest of the populace gets hugged free market capitalism.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Trickle down economics works...LMFAO.
Yep...we really must continue socialism for the 1% and special interests, the rest of the populace gets hugged free market capitalism.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
The problem is who gets to keep the fruits (surplus) of your labor: the top 0.1%.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
The problem is who gets to keep the fruits (surplus) of your labor: the top 0.1%.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Too late.Yep...we really must continue socialism for the 1% and special interests, the rest of the populace gets hugged free market capitalism.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Nope.
Nope. No socialism at all.
I’m not a leftard, you silly rightard. Acton is right. It’s what we have now, but you can’t see it. You are brainwashed.Nothing works for bitter, petulant, leftarded crybabies, Comrade G … grow up.Yep...we really must continue socialism for the 1% and special interests, the rest of the populace gets hugged free market capitalism.Sometimes the past is the best predictor of the future. Those who extrapolate events to form conclusions about the future are easy to mock & ridicule but if they keep their focus narrow their voices are often prescient:
IT is difficult to understand the long-range implications of current events. This is to say, it is difficult to know whether a current event is part of a historical sidetrack, a cultural fad or a mainstream trend.
Smart people have called our attention to this reality. For example, the late Ayn Rand described the insidious process which takes a society, inch by unremarkable inch, to socialism: "The goal of the 'liberals' -- as it emerges from the record of the past decades -- was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot -- by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the 'conservative' was only to retard that process.)"
When the federal government took over the task of inspecting luggage at airports and terminals, it added more than 30,000 new employees to its payroll. Most of them will become dues-paying members of government unions. They will become unremovable, overpaid wards of a government monopoly. They will become predictably dependent upon and grateful to the advocates of big government and higher taxes. They will become Democrats.
Surely there can no longer be any doubt that America is well on its way down the slippery slope to socialism. The government continues to grow in size, power and arrogance as it asserts increasing sovereignty over the lives and behavior of its subjects. The noose tightens, and the rabble wear it like a badge of honor.
Linda Bowles - Jan 8, 2002
Trickle down economics works...LMFAO.
The author's point (18 yrs ago) was that big, fat, corrupt central govt's - even those that begin with noble intentions - don't work for the people because they are operated by imperfect, often self-serving people.
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton
