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What happened to my post #213? No rebuttal?
Find a way to make it work with Americans or be replaced by somebody that can. I have no sympathy for people that provide incentives for illegals.
Are you scared?
these were WORKING undoc' immigrants, not welfare suckers...?
The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?
*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.
Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.
You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.
It’s far more complicated than that.
These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.
*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.
They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.
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Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
That's a fucking crime idiot. And show me where I've defended anyone convicted of a crime.
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The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?
*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.
Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.
You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.
It’s far more complicated than that.
These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.
*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.
They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.
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Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
That's a fucking crime idiot. And show me where I've defended anyone convicted of a crime.
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Oh please. Crossing the border seeking better life is a crime?
Talking to you is a waste of bandwidth. You are immune to facts and logic.They refuse because they aren't willing to do it for $5/hr that Mexican labor is willing to do it for. However, they would do it for $15/hr. I used to do work like that when I was in high school and college.
He has suggested that Americans won't do farm labor for 15-20 dollars an hour. I think he's full of shit.
Yeah right.. Why are you going around? Why not confront me straight up? Are you scared?
Look who is full of shit.
Yes it is. It's officially a crime. It's in the federal register.The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?
*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.
Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.
You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.
It’s far more complicated than that.
These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.
*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.
They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.
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Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
That's a fucking crime idiot. And show me where I've defended anyone convicted of a crime.
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Oh please. Crossing the border seeking better life is a crime?
If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?
If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?
These are very simple honest questions.
Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.
Exactly. What kind of work do our men and women do in the armed forces, and how much are they paid? How do you get somebody to take a job climbing up a telephone poll when it's nighttime with the wind blowing at 20 mph and the temperature is 2 degrees? Or how about people who work in a pool of water from a water main break in that weather?
Americans do these jobs every day in this country. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do.
Bulshit Ray..... we’ve been through this topic several times.
You are talking armed forces. Climbing up telephone poles. Those workers working for telephone companies.
I’m talking about dirty jobs like farming or slaughter house etc etc etc.
In my case alone. I need summer workers that will empty my shipping containers that we receive 7 containers a week. Inside is about 130°f. We have whiteys or blacks American applying but 99% after 5 to 10 minutes they just walked out. Most of these kids are college degrees.
Who stick around? Mexicans or Asians. I paid $32. temp agency. They are getting paid $26/hour lifting 2 to 4 lbs. boxes.
So you don’t give me this shit about...... Pay them right wages Americans will work.
I've done much worse in my life. Have you ever been in a rendering plant, I worked in one for 4 years, and for much less than you're talking about.
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These are all jobs that can be learned in a day.I’ve been through with these topics several times here in this site and in real life.
I personally know 2 farmers here in Ca and one in Arizona. They will not vote for Trump again.
What I’m telling you are real life no bullshit or horseshit. These illegals are are getting rare that they are demanding their rates nobody is getting paid $5. These farmers are willing to take any workers that apply.
You are absolutely correct. Pay wages that Americans will work. You probably talking about old timers. I still have several of them. Tough hard workers dedicated but they are getting old and retiring soon.
Let say you are willing to work at the farm picking strawberries or avocados. How much do you think are you willing to accept $16 $20?
1. How much do you think those strawberries or avocados will cost at the groceries?
2. With the heat, heavy lifting. How long are you going to last?
3. How far is your house to these farms? Are you willing to travel?
4. You probably wants break time, shoes or uniform.
5. And if you have a kid. Is your babysitting cost more?
For lousy $16 with all those factors. Will it be easier or cheaper if you just stay home or at works McDonald’s?
Here’s How Immigration Policy Impacts Your Avocados and Other Produce – Fortune
To attract workers, farmers are raising wages to well above the minimum wage, which in California is $11 per hour, especially in higher cost places like Napa, Calif. Farmers are also increasingly paying for H-2A visas for guest workers.
Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?
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You probably don’t even understand what that means.
It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
That is what we’ve telling to these morons here that we need immigrants workers.
I never plant a single plant or vegetable or crop in my life. I never clean a chicken or a cow in my life. I never cut my grass in my life. I never clean my pool in my life. I don’t even know how to turn in my rainbow vacuum.
Someone has to do it.
You think because Americans have to pay $0.10 more for a head of lettuce that they would prefer to starve?They refuse because they aren't willing to do it for $5/hr that Mexican labor is willing to do it for. However, they would do it for $15/hr. I used to do work like that when I was in high school and college.Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.ROFL! They can learn in a week.You probably don’t even understand what that means.
It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.
If farms all had to pay $15/hour, we would all be starving, the US would not be exporting anything, and the US citizens would all be trying to emigrate to places where survival was easier.
Have you ever hired a maid service? I did recently, and the people doing it were not illegals. They weren't even Hispanic.These are all jobs that can be learned in a day.Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?
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You probably don’t even understand what that means.
It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
That is what we’ve telling to these morons here that we need immigrants workers.
I never plant a single plant or vegetable or crop in my life. I never clean a chicken or a cow in my life. I never cut my grass in my life. I never clean my pool in my life. I don’t even know how to turn in my rainbow vacuum.
Someone has to do it.
Molly maids will tell you. Sure...... but where and who are the workers?
LolYou have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..
The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive
The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive
Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?
This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.
First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.
Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.
Yep,
Illegal aliens are illegal aliens… They have no fucking right to be here and should be treated like the pieces of shit they are… Kids or no kids
Natives can hardly be considered illegal aliens compared to US citizens who are descendants of the most illegal European immigrants that ever existed.
Go read treaties like the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo and you will see that we can not legally prevent immigration to the 7 states that used to be Mexico or Spain.
It's our country and we can make any laws we desire. If there are no borders, then there is no country.
Its not really our country.
The Native Americans never wanted us here, and we took over by force, murdering most of the actual owners.
You can say we have been here long enough to have some rights to it, but not to the 7 states we bought from Mexico/Spain, with treaties we signed that prevent us from interfering with total freedom of movement.
In fact, each state is more like a country, and the USA is just a federation of sovereign states.
In 1924 the US gave all Native Americans in the US citizenship, but that was really just an attempt to make us seem more legitimate. They were here first, so they get to decide who belongs were. We may have been born here, but we do not understand the land and are destroying it. We over populate, cut more trees than we plant, pollute, etc. We really do not belong anywhere, because we are irresponsibly destructive, to the point of being criminal.
Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.
We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.
We have 20 millions of them that are already here.
No, it does not make sense spending $50,000 to lock someone up for supporting her family when you consider:You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..
The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive
The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive
Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?
This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.
First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.
Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.
There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with immigration and this is not the right way.
- That she has most likely done nothing other than a violation of a visa return date which is not a crime. The most likely outcome is deportation which is not a punishment because there will be no guilt established.
- Wall Street traders steal hundreds of millions and they get a slap on the wrist. Commerce Secretary steals 120 million dollars and will probably not spend a single day in jail.
- Half the child molesters in the US never go to prison.
Working without authorization is a crime, doing so with forged or stolen documents is a felony. Stop making excuses for criminals.
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There's nothing evil about enforcing our borders, shit for brains.Using their logic we should allow all criminals out of prisons it cost too much to have murderers and rapists in jail. It costs too much to prosecute them. Obviously we would be better off to either do away with laws and justice altogether or we should just shoot every suspect, no trial, no jail.
Can't have it both ways. We either enforce laws or we do away with them.
I realize that there are crazies who want to pick and choose but things don't work that way in the real world.
Exactly i was thinking the same thing when I wrote that title.. according to them judges/lawyer's/prisons are a waste of money, let's set everyone free and have a libtard Utopia of chaos
When the founders rebelled against the laws England was passing, did they want no laws at all, or were they differentiating between legal and illegal laws?
In the real world you MUST pick and choose.
Anyone who supports legislation that is inherently evil is a criminal.
You have a duty to violate inherently corrupt or evil legislation.
That is the difference between being a war criminal or not.
You can not just follow orders or legislation when you know it is wrong.
That's nonsense. People that are willing to work their ass off for low pay are always in demand.Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.
We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.
If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?
If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?
These are very simple honest questions.
Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.
Exactly. What kind of work do our men and women do in the armed forces, and how much are they paid? How do you get somebody to take a job climbing up a telephone poll when it's nighttime with the wind blowing at 20 mph and the temperature is 2 degrees? Or how about people who work in a pool of water from a water main break in that weather?
Americans do these jobs every day in this country. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do.
Bulshit Ray..... we’ve been through this topic several times.
You are talking armed forces. Climbing up telephone poles. Those workers working for telephone companies.
I’m talking about dirty jobs like farming or slaughter house etc etc etc.
In my case alone. I need summer workers that will empty my shipping containers that we receive 7 containers a week. Inside is about 130°f. We have whiteys or blacks American applying but 99% after 5 to 10 minutes they just walked out. Most of these kids are college degrees.
Who stick around? Mexicans or Asians. I paid $32. temp agency. They are getting paid $26/hour lifting 2 to 4 lbs. boxes.
So you don’t give me this shit about...... Pay them right wages Americans will work.
I've done much worse in my life. Have you ever been in a rendering plant, I worked in one for 4 years, and for much less than you're talking about.
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If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?
If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?
These are very simple honest questions.
Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.
I’ve been through with these topics several times here in this site and in real life.
I personally know 2 farmers here in Ca and one in Arizona. They will not vote for Trump again.
What I’m telling you are real life no bullshit or horseshit. These illegals are are getting rare that they are demanding their rates nobody is getting paid $5. These farmers are willing to take any workers that apply.
You are absolutely correct. Pay wages that Americans will work. You probably talking about old timers. I still have several of them. Tough hard workers dedicated but they are getting old and retiring soon.
Let say you are willing to work at the farm picking strawberries or avocados. How much do you think are you willing to accept $16 $20?
1. How much do you think those strawberries or avocados will cost at the groceries?
2. With the heat, heavy lifting. How long are you going to last?
3. How far is your house to these farms? Are you willing to travel?
4. You probably wants break time, shoes or uniform.
5. And if you have a kid. Is your babysitting cost more?
For lousy $16 with all those factors. Will it be easier or cheaper if you just stay home or at works McDonald’s?
Here’s How Immigration Policy Impacts Your Avocados and Other Produce – Fortune
To attract workers, farmers are raising wages to well above the minimum wage, which in California is $11 per hour, especially in higher cost places like Napa, Calif. Farmers are also increasingly paying for H-2A visas for guest workers.
You nailed it without knowing it.
Stop paying people to stay home.
In short you are telling me...... I am AWESOME, BRILLIANT and HEAVY WEIGHT.
Thank you for your kindness.
What does you being obese have to do with anything?
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They refuse because they aren't willing to do it for $5/hr that Mexican labor is willing to do it for. However, they would do it for $15/hr. I used to do work like that when I was in high school and college.Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.ROFL! They can learn in a week.You probably don’t even understand what that means.
It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.
Please stop lying. No one is getting paid $5. That’s a lie.
How can illegals even at the lowest even take $5? Traveling alone and gas doesn’t make sense.
Got to love crazy. Those people were taken to concentration camps. Even the girl that wrote it was taken to one where she died. Millions were slaughtered.And then there’s this:
“Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes . . . Families are torn apart: men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find their parents have disappeared.” - Anne Frank
Being sent back to the country you came from after receiving notice and refusing to leave is hardly the same.
But can't fault you for not understanding simple ideas.
But what you don't understand it that the fascist death squads in Honduras, etc., are also murdering tens of thousands, and are trained, armed, and back by the US.
The only difference from the tragedy faced by Anne Frank is that now the US is the one responsible for the killing..
THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE BLAME AMERICA FIRST GROUP! GIVE US A PROBLEM, AND WE'LL FIND A WAY TO BLAME YOU FOR IT.
you are sooooo fucking scared of illegals taking over your jobs.
I am scared of allowing even more ignorant and low skilled workers into our society when we already have a plethora and technology is destroying the jobs they need. I'm not like these other guys you're debating. I actually want public universities and healthcare for Americans that need it. That won't be possible if we keep letting in nearly useless poor people that will put their hands out for a piece of that pie. We can't have good safety nets for Americans while letting in anybody that makes it to the border. Good intentions can't defeat math.
