The most fucked in the head opinion piece I have ever read to justify criminals.

[Ray From Cleveland]

these were WORKING undoc' immigrants, not welfare suckers...?

The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?

*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.

Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.

You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.

They may not be criminals via technicality, but they should be. Congress should pass a law that if you are caught here illegally, it's a felony punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. Illegal immigration solved.

That would mean a person that overstayed their Visa including business travelers, students, and tourist as well as all DACA kids would be facing 5 years in prison for a minor violation.

I don't know what effect that might have on illegal immigrants crossing the border since many of them would consider a federal penitentiary better than where they came from.

However, there would certainly be retaliations against Americans traveling throughout the world. You know this is so outlandish and stupid your supreme leader just might consider it. I sure hope he does.

Not as much as I do. I would love to see such a law and end this problem once and for all. Yes, overstays, business travelers and tourists. Anybody that's not legally here gets charged and sentenced to prison.

Of course Trump could not do this on his own. It would have to be a law created and passed through Congress.

Would it work? It worked for Arizona when they created much less severe laws. Immigrants got the hell out of that state in 24 hours. Schools reporting over half the class not showing up; same for employers that hired these illegal workers. Gone. Of course, DumBama being a Democrat that hates success sued to have the laws rescinded.

I say let's try it for about six or seven years and examine the results. If successful, would you be on board to keep the law permanent?

 

[charwin95]

If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

Exactly. What kind of work do our men and women do in the armed forces, and how much are they paid? How do you get somebody to take a job climbing up a telephone poll when it's nighttime with the wind blowing at 20 mph and the temperature is 2 degrees? Or how about people who work in a pool of water from a water main break in that weather?

Americans do these jobs every day in this country. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do.

Bulshit Ray..... we’ve been through this topic several times.
You are talking armed forces. Climbing up telephone poles. Those workers working for telephone companies.

I’m talking about dirty jobs like farming or slaughter house etc etc etc.

In my case alone. I need summer workers that will empty my shipping containers that we receive 7 containers a week. Inside is about 130°f. We have whiteys or blacks American applying but 99% after 5 to 10 minutes they just walked out. Most of these kids are college degrees.

Who stick around? Mexicans or Asians. I paid $32. temp agency. They are getting paid $26/hour lifting 2 to 4 lbs. boxes.
So you don’t give me this shit about...... Pay them right wages Americans will work.

Well they must be paying enough here because we have Americans unloading containers every single day. Unlike your company, the good employers have dock lights with high speed fans attached to blow cool air into the containers for the workers to work. They also work in tag-teams where one group can take a short break and get some water while the other team unloads for a while. They even switch tow motor drivers with the unloaders. Not a problem. I see it nearly every day.

Yes, trailers get hot in the summer. I've unloaded my own trailer many times with a pallet jack. My employer has no problems with how long it takes me in the severe hot or cold weather.

Another bulshit Ray. You are putting words in my mouth.
Yes of course we have docks lights, portable AC, 15 minutes breaks every 45 minutes rotations etc etc etc. We do all that shit Ray just to keep them around. Because when they walked tits very costly.

 

[Rigby5]

Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?

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You probably don’t even understand what that means.

It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.

ROFL! They can learn in a week.

Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.

As a son of a bricklayer, I can tell you that isn't the only hard job in this country. Ever carry clamps of bricks in the hot sun on a humid day? Mix cement by hand, shovel it into a wheelbarrow, and wheel it to the job site? Or perhaps load it with 8" block, wheel it to the job site, and unload it stacking it in a orderly fashion? How about erecting scaffolding two or three stories high?

I grew up doing that, and Americans did that for a living their entire lives.

I just put in a shop with 300 cinder blocks on the house I am selling, and did over 500 cinder blocks for a garage/deck for the last one. And the quotes I was getting from US masons were impossible. Some were as high as $20,000. So I ended up doing it myself. US workers have priced themselves out of the market, largely because they have not contained medical costs. Insurance has inflated everything by over 30%. It can't work. We can't keep paying for private health insurance.

 

[danielpalos]

You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.

No, it does not make sense spending $50,000 to lock someone up for supporting her family when you consider:

• That she has most likely done nothing other than a violation of a visa return date which is not a crime. The most likely outcome is deportation which is not a punishment because there will be no guilt established.
• Wall Street traders steal hundreds of millions and they get a slap on the wrist. Commerce Secretary steals 120 million dollars and will probably not spend a single day in jail.
• Half the child molesters in the US never go to prison.

There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with immigration and this is not the right way.

The right way is to shoot them as they come over the fence. 20 or 30 bodies and they'll quit coming.

right wingers only allege to care about natural rights in abortion threads.

 

[Rigby5]

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.

They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.

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Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.

That's a fucking crime idiot. And show me where I've defended anyone convicted of a crime.

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Oh please. Crossing the border seeking better life is a crime?

Yes it is. It's officially a crime. It's in the federal register.

But federal jurisdiction over immigration is not in the Constitution, so is not really legal legislation.
The government does a lot of illegal things, like the War on Drugs and Gun Control, both things it is illegal for the federal government to legislate at all.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You probably don’t even understand what that means.

It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.

ROFL! They can learn in a week.

Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.

As a son of a bricklayer, I can tell you that isn't the only hard job in this country. Ever carry clamps of bricks in the hot sun on a humid day? Mix cement by hand, shovel it into a wheelbarrow, and wheel it to the job site? Or perhaps load it with 8" block, wheel it to the job site, and unload it stacking it in a orderly fashion? How about erecting scaffolding two or three stories high?

I grew up doing that, and Americans did that for a living their entire lives.

I just put in a shop with 300 cinder blocks on the house I am selling, and did over 500 cinder blocks for a garage/deck for the last one. And the quotes I was getting from US masons were impossible. Some were as high as $20,000. So I ended up doing it myself. US workers have priced themselves out of the market, largely because they have not contained medical costs. Insurance has inflated everything by over 30%. It can't work. We can't keep paying for private health insurance.

If you look into it more, it's not the healthcare and not Americans won't do the work. It's the huge drug problem we have in this country.

My father is retired and gets news letters from his union. They were asking their retirees to help them find younger people to join the trade. The union has people willing to do the work, but can't pass the drug screen. It's not just a problem in construction, but in all medium to well paying industries across the country.

 

[pknopp]

these were WORKING undoc' immigrants, not welfare suckers...?

The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?

*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.

Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.

You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.

They may not be criminals via technicality, but they should be. Congress should pass a law that if you are caught here illegally, it's a felony punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. Illegal immigration solved.

That would mean a person that overstayed their Visa including business travelers, students, and tourist as well as all DACA kids would be facing 5 years in prison for a minor violation.

I don't know what effect that might have on illegal immigrants crossing the border since many of them would consider a federal penitentiary better than where they came from.

However, there would certainly be retaliations against Americans traveling throughout the world. You know this is so outlandish and stupid your supreme leader just might consider it. I sure hope he does.

Not as much as I do. I would love to see such a law and end this problem once and for all. Yes, overstays, business travelers and tourists. Anybody that's not legally here gets charged and sentenced to prison.

Of course Trump could not do this on his own. It would have to be a law created and passed through Congress.

Would it work? It worked for Arizona when they created much less severe laws. Immigrants got the hell out of that state in 24 hours. Schools reporting over half the class not showing up; same for employers that hired these illegal workers. Gone. Of course, DumBama being a Democrat that hates success sued to have the laws rescinded.

I say let's try it for about six or seven years and examine the results. If successful, would you be on board to keep the law permanent?

Trump fixed that.

WASHINGTON — Hundreds of migrant families seeking asylum in the U.S. were released from detention in Arizona this week without warning and without instructions on where to go, how to find relatives or travel to their court hearings.

Release of hundreds of migrants in Phoenix is 'start of dam breaking'

 

[Rigby5]

Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

Yes we do, and what is it costing us to have them here? We are 21 trillion in debt already you know.

Immigration, even illegal immigration, is a net multi billion dollar gain.
About all they get from us for free is school education for their children, and ER services, which they often still pay for.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.

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Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.

That's a fucking crime idiot. And show me where I've defended anyone convicted of a crime.

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Oh please. Crossing the border seeking better life is a crime?

Yes it is. It's officially a crime. It's in the federal register.

But federal jurisdiction over immigration is not in the Constitution, so is not really legal legislation.
The government does a lot of illegal things, like the War on Drugs and Gun Control, both things it is illegal for the federal government to legislate at all.

The Constitution was not written to tell us what the federal government can do, it was written to tell us what they can't.

Just because it's not in the Constitution doesn't mean we can't write laws about it. We can write all the laws we want provided they don't violate the Constitution.

 

[Jitss617]

Every human being is precious and priceless and deserves our respect, at least!

Well we can add them on face book and you dumb ass libs can Venmo them money.. they are destroying our first rate culture

 

[OKTexas]

Who cares what they are seeking? They weren't invited in.

Yes they were.

Wrong. If they were, they would have a visa.

Business does not hand out visa's.


Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Indictment alleges conspiracy behind recruitment, hiring of undocumented workers in Midwest

FBI Reportedly Has Fake Green Cards Given to Undocumented Immigrants Working at Trump Golf Course

Who said they did. If they were invited, they would have a visa. Tyson foods doesn't have the authority to "invite" anyone.

According to the Constitution, Tyson is exactly who is supposed to invite immigrants.
Absolutely no authority was given the federal government over immigration in the Constitution.

You've obviously never actually read the Constitution.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

Yes we do, and what is it costing us to have them here? We are 21 trillion in debt already you know.

Immigration, even illegal immigration, is a net multi billion dollar gain.
About all they get from us for free is school education for their children, and ER services, which they often still pay for.

No, look at all the border agents we need to keep them out. Look at what we provide to the people that get here. And what about the ones that end up in our prisons for decades? And that's not to mention the wage loss by American citizens. Then after they make money here, they ship it back over the border to their family.

Our immigration courts are tied up for years with back log cases of asylum and refugee claims. Think that's free?

Immigration whether legal or illegal is a net loss to the US. Over half of the legal immigrants here today are on welfare. That's a much higher percentage than Americans on welfare.

 

[Rigby5]

ROFL! They can learn in a week.

Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.

They refuse because they aren't willing to do it for $5/hr that Mexican labor is willing to do it for. However, they would do it for $15/hr. I used to do work like that when I was in high school and college.

Please stop lying. No one is getting paid $5. That’s a lie.
How can illegals even at the lowest even take $5? Traveling alone and gas doesn’t make sense.

You are badly uninformed.
Average immigrant agricultural workers make LESS than $5/hour.
{...
the pay dropped to the minimum wage of $3.35 per hour.
...}
Illegal Immigration and Low Wage Labor
They do not typically travel or pay for gas.
Most farms have on site trailers for their agricultural workers.
They could not afford to travel or drive, on such low wages.

Explain that to the real farmers that are facing these problems.
You relied on links. I rely in real life expectancies and experience that are working in these industries.

No one is getting paid $5 or $3.35.

I live in agricultural areas, with friends who are farmers, or people who have tried working agricultural jobs.
I can tell you for a fact that no agricultural workers are getting more than $5/hour, and never have.
They do however, usually get room and board, with single wide trailers and large group meals.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

Exactly. What kind of work do our men and women do in the armed forces, and how much are they paid? How do you get somebody to take a job climbing up a telephone poll when it's nighttime with the wind blowing at 20 mph and the temperature is 2 degrees? Or how about people who work in a pool of water from a water main break in that weather?

Americans do these jobs every day in this country. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do.

Bulshit Ray..... we’ve been through this topic several times.
You are talking armed forces. Climbing up telephone poles. Those workers working for telephone companies.

I’m talking about dirty jobs like farming or slaughter house etc etc etc.

In my case alone. I need summer workers that will empty my shipping containers that we receive 7 containers a week. Inside is about 130°f. We have whiteys or blacks American applying but 99% after 5 to 10 minutes they just walked out. Most of these kids are college degrees.

Who stick around? Mexicans or Asians. I paid $32. temp agency. They are getting paid $26/hour lifting 2 to 4 lbs. boxes.
So you don’t give me this shit about...... Pay them right wages Americans will work.

Well they must be paying enough here because we have Americans unloading containers every single day. Unlike your company, the good employers have dock lights with high speed fans attached to blow cool air into the containers for the workers to work. They also work in tag-teams where one group can take a short break and get some water while the other team unloads for a while. They even switch tow motor drivers with the unloaders. Not a problem. I see it nearly every day.

Yes, trailers get hot in the summer. I've unloaded my own trailer many times with a pallet jack. My employer has no problems with how long it takes me in the severe hot or cold weather.

Another bulshit Ray. You are putting words in my mouth.
Yes of course we have docks lights, portable AC, 15 minutes breaks every 45 minutes rotations etc etc etc. We do all that shit Ray just to keep them around. Because when they walked tits very costly.

Well you can't give me that Americans won't do the job nonsense. You can bullshit other people, but you can't bullshit somebody that's been in the transportation industry for over three decades. I've been to plenty of container ports and warehouses in my time. Well over 95% are Americans doing that job.

 

[charwin95]

If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

Exactly. What kind of work do our men and women do in the armed forces, and how much are they paid? How do you get somebody to take a job climbing up a telephone poll when it's nighttime with the wind blowing at 20 mph and the temperature is 2 degrees? Or how about people who work in a pool of water from a water main break in that weather?

Americans do these jobs every day in this country. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do.

Bulshit Ray..... we’ve been through this topic several times.
You are talking armed forces. Climbing up telephone poles. Those workers working for telephone companies.

I’m talking about dirty jobs like farming or slaughter house etc etc etc.

In my case alone. I need summer workers that will empty my shipping containers that we receive 7 containers a week. Inside is about 130°f. We have whiteys or blacks American applying but 99% after 5 to 10 minutes they just walked out. Most of these kids are college degrees.

Who stick around? Mexicans or Asians. I paid $32. temp agency. They are getting paid $26/hour lifting 2 to 4 lbs. boxes.
So you don’t give me this shit about...... Pay them right wages Americans will work.

Well they must be paying enough here because we have Americans unloading containers every single day. Unlike your company, the good employers have dock lights with high speed fans attached to blow cool air into the containers for the workers to work. They also work in tag-teams where one group can take a short break and get some water while the other team unloads for a while. They even switch tow motor drivers with the unloaders. Not a problem. I see it nearly every day.

Yes, trailers get hot in the summer. I've unloaded my own trailer many times with a pallet jack. My employer has no problems with how long it takes me in the severe hot or cold weather.

Either you are full of shit or You are lying to me big time Ray.

I’ve been fighting with you on several occasions. I brought this up many times about containers.
SUDDENLY YOU UNLOADING containers?

 

[charwin95]

Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

Nice to see you admit that the bogus numbers the press has been feeding the American people are pure commie bullshit. Good job commie.

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Let me know when you make sense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

you are sooooo fucking scared of illegals taking over your jobs.

I am scared of allowing even more ignorant and low skilled workers into our society when we already have a plethora and technology is destroying the jobs they need. I'm not like these other guys you're debating. I actually want public universities and healthcare for Americans that need it. That won't be possible if we keep letting in nearly useless poor people that will put their hands out for a piece of that pie. We can't have good safety nets for Americans while letting in anybody that makes it to the border. Good intentions can't defeat math.

Good safety nets for US citizens requires far more workers.
Social security for example, used to have 6 to one, and now only had 1.5 to 1. It can't work. Social Security requires more workers. We need lower wage costs if we want to survive the threat that China poses to our economy. That is the math.

Immigrant workers are not the solution, because they will get old too and be on those programs making the problem even worse.

The solution is to have Americans fund these programs. If you want to keep SS, Medicare, fine. Increase the employer/ employee contributions. Then when people feel the cost is too high, we will move to something else that will work.

 

[Bush92]

You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.

Liberal logic from this shit pile of an opinion piece:
“Japan just bombed Pearl Harbor...but war is too expensive. Fuck it...let’s surrender.”

 

[charwin95]

It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.

ROFL! They can learn in a week.

Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.

They refuse because they aren't willing to do it for $5/hr that Mexican labor is willing to do it for. However, they would do it for $15/hr. I used to do work like that when I was in high school and college.

Please stop lying. No one is getting paid $5. That’s a lie.
How can illegals even at the lowest even take $5? Traveling alone and gas doesn’t make sense.

You are badly uninformed.
Average immigrant agricultural workers make LESS than $5/hour.
{...
the pay dropped to the minimum wage of $3.35 per hour.
...}
Illegal Immigration and Low Wage Labor
They do not typically travel or pay for gas.
Most farms have on site trailers for their agricultural workers.
They could not afford to travel or drive, on such low wages.

Like plumbers or gardeners or painters etc etc etc........ they are not getting paid $5.
You see cars and cars line up at farms not trailers.

 

[Rigby5]

It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.

ROFL! They can learn in a week.

Sure they could learn, but it is hot, boring, and labor intensive work, so the US citizens refuse.
That means if we want our economy to be ok, we need way more immigrants.

As a son of a bricklayer, I can tell you that isn't the only hard job in this country. Ever carry clamps of bricks in the hot sun on a humid day? Mix cement by hand, shovel it into a wheelbarrow, and wheel it to the job site? Or perhaps load it with 8" block, wheel it to the job site, and unload it stacking it in a orderly fashion? How about erecting scaffolding two or three stories high?

I grew up doing that, and Americans did that for a living their entire lives.

I just put in a shop with 300 cinder blocks on the house I am selling, and did over 500 cinder blocks for a garage/deck for the last one. And the quotes I was getting from US masons were impossible. Some were as high as $20,000. So I ended up doing it myself. US workers have priced themselves out of the market, largely because they have not contained medical costs. Insurance has inflated everything by over 30%. It can't work. We can't keep paying for private health insurance.

If you look into it more, it's not the healthcare and not Americans won't do the work. It's the huge drug problem we have in this country.

My father is retired and gets news letters from his union. They were asking their retirees to help them find younger people to join the trade. The union has people willing to do the work, but can't pass the drug screen. It's not just a problem in construction, but in all medium to well paying industries across the country.

You are looking at that backwards.
The drugs are not the problem.
Most of the people I know do illegal drugs on the weekend.
They can't afford the dangerous sking, bungee jumping, skidoes, flying, skydiving, etc., that the wealthy can afford.
Drugs are actually a much cheaper, safer, and quicker alternative for them.
The whole problem is the War on Drugs.
There is no legal basis for ANY federal drug law at all.
And drug testing is an illegal violation of privacy.

But it is also health insurance.
We can't sell out products over seas because we have to tack on the costs of health insurance, and no other country does that.
Our products can't sell at those higher prices.