The most important question which nobody is asking

[Uncensored2008]

Why not, this entire thread is a load of inaccurate assumptions by ignorant posters....

You take that to an extreme.

 

[Moonglow]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

 

[Moonglow]

Why not, this entire thread is a load of inaccurate assumptions by ignorant posters....

You take that to an extreme.

No worse than your attempts to throw words out and think they will stick to a pigeon hole perspective...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do you know what Bolshevik means?

"one of the majority."

The party of Lenin defines the democratic - socialist party in America quite well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

So nothing about "helping the needy," then?

 

[Moonglow]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

So nothing about "helping the needy," then?

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

 

[Moonglow]

Bolshevik, ( Russian: “One of the Majority”) , pluralBolsheviks, or Bolsheviki, member of a wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers' Party

 

[P@triot]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism is the political philosophy of helping the needy, conservatives, not so much, but they play along for votes.....Not for good points with Gawd..

I don't understand what your saying here (or why you're so angry). If liberalism is the "philosophy of helping the needy", then why not that through private foundations? Help me to understand exactly what is the problem.

 

[daws101]

Exactly. Because idiot liberal socialism creates more poverty and more misery. Incidentally, each and every one of those 47% enjoy all of the same "benefits" that I do from the government (military defense, court systems, etc,) plus a ton I don't (healthcare, food, etc.). Why don't they have to pay their "FAIR SHARE"?!?

I am going to educate you. For free.

Gerald Ford and your hero Ronnie Reagan are the reason so many pay no federal income tax.

The program called the EITC was brought to us by Ford and GREATLY expanded by Reagan. Reagan loved that program. Said it was the greatest in lifting the working poor out of poverty.

You disagree with Reagan now?

Ha! Nice try. But how is Ronald Reagan responsible for Obama and the Democrats destroying the economy? If those people were gainfully employed (as they should be), they would need earned income tax credits.

There is no should when it comes to employment either you are or you aren't.
Your faux self - righteous moralizing will never make it fact.

 

[P@triot]

Liberalism is the political philosophy of helping the needy, conservatives, not so much, but they play along for votes.....Not for good points with Gawd..

Uh no.

If you don't know the answer, just say so - no need to make stupid shit up.

Why not, this entire thread is a load of inaccurate assumptions by ignorant posters....

Such as? Every post you make tends to be snarky and is strictly in generalities. Why are you afraid to get to substance with specifics? Give us an example of an "inaccurate assumption" and tell us what makes it an assumption and what makes it inaccurate.

I swear, I think you post just to hear yourself. I get the feeling you are bored and this is just a way of amusing yourself. Hop in, make a one like snarky response, move on. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Seriously Moon, I like you so I'm not being sarcastic here. I don't think I've ever seen you post anything of substance.

 

[daws101]

So how do the political science scholars and historians define liberalism, in this day and age?

Libertarian.

Why does a Bolshevik like you ask?

Do you know what Bolshevik means?

Unhinged? no.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

So nothing about "helping the needy," then?

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

So, nothing about "helping the needy," then?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Bolshevik, ( Russian: “One of the Majority”) , pluralBolsheviks, or Bolsheviki, member of a wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers' Party

Yes?

How does the democratic - socialist party of Obama fundamentally differ from the democratic socialist workers party of Lenin?

 

[Moonglow]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

So nothing about "helping the needy," then?

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

So, nothing about "helping the needy," then?

Whooosh! Right over da head.....
We don''t need no water, let the mother fucker burn.............

 

[P@triot]

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

But it doesn't account for the law. And therein lies the problem. In a private foundation, you have unlimited power to "continuously adjust" for the greater benefit of humanity. In government, you do not. And hence the problem. Liberals get extremely pissed off when the law prevents them from "continuously adjusting" and conservatives get pissed off when liberals ignore the law and proceed anyway.

Why create that kind of rift and conflict (not to mention violating the law) when you can achieve everything you desire to achieve legally? And, conservatives would overwhelmingly join in the majority of the endeavors.

 

[Moonglow]

Bolshevik, ( Russian: “One of the Majority”) , pluralBolsheviks, or Bolsheviki, member of a wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers' Party

Yes?

How does the democratic - socialist party of Obama fundamentally differ from the democratic socialist workers party of Lenin?

It'
The color of their berets...

 

[daws101]

So I'm not really seeing any liberals stepping forward and advocating for implementing all liberalism through private foundations and restoring constitutional government. Can we all agree that liberalism has nothing to do with compassion for people? Maybe we can all get real about modern-day liberalism and have more honest discussions/debates on USMB?

Liberalism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal, and emphasize individual rights and equality of opportunity. Although most Liberals would claim that a government is necessary to protect rights, different forms of Liberalism may propose very different policies (see the section on Types of Liberalism below). They are, however, generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a market economy (or a mixed economy with both private-owned and state-owned enterprises) and a transparent and democraticsystem of government.

Like the similar concept of Libertarianism, Liberalism believes that society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable human rights, especially the rights to life, liberty and property. It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, and that there should be no foundational assumptions (such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status or established religion) that take precedence over other aspects of government.
Liberalism - By Branch / Doctrine - The Basics of Philosophy

So nothing about "helping the needy," then?

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

So, nothing about "helping the needy," then?

So obvious it needs no mention.

 

[P@triot]

Whooosh! Right over da head.....
We don''t need no water, let the mother fucker burn.............

See what I mean? Never a single post of substance. Well, almost never. You did just make a solid post with regards to your belief of the liberal ideology. That was good. But most like this garbage. Nonsensical snark designed to amuse yourself. Just makes more shit for the rest of us to have to sift through as we attempt to find posts of substance.

 

[Moonglow]

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

But it doesn't account for the law. And therein lies the problem. In a private foundation, you have unlimited power to "continuously adjusted" for the greater benefit of humanity. In government, you do not. And hence the problem. Liberals get extremely pissed off when the law prevents them from "continuously adjusting" and conservatives get pissed off when liberals ignore the law and proceed anyway.

Why create that kind of rift and conflict (not to mention violating the law) when you can achieve everything you desire to achieve legally? And, conservatives would overwhelmingly join in the majority of the endeavors.

That is something that a small group are attempting.Not the masses....

 

[daws101]

It also holds that traditions do not carry any inherent value, that social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity,

But it doesn't account for the law. And therein lies the problem. In a private foundation, you have unlimited power to "continuously adjusted" for the greater benefit of humanity. In government, you do not. And hence the problem. Liberals get extremely pissed off when the law prevents them from "continuously adjusting" and conservatives get pissed off when liberals ignore the law and proceed anyway.

Why create that kind of rift and conflict (not to mention violating the law) when you can achieve everything you desire to achieve legally? And, conservatives would overwhelmingly join in the majority of the endeavors.

Only if it benefits them .