The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Yurt]

when he stated these punks are always getting away with this then yeah its safe to presume this to be the case. Like i stated this isn't the sole reason behind all this.

i personally think Zimmerman will walk

great...punks is now code word for black

context fuckstain context

well that certainly is an intelligent explanation



what context do you refer to and how does the context mean he was talking about black people.

 

[testarosa]

The prosecution needs to buy their experts from the expert store the defense gets theirs at.

The state should have bought their prosecutors from the Dollar Store.


They would have gotten better quality.

Best quote from the Defense ME was when he was asked how much he's been paid so far...

First question how much are you getting paid... I get about $400/hr

Second question how much have you been paid so far... it's only been about $2400 so far, this was an easy case to figure out.

The state spent 70k on owens to dick around with the 911 call for 700 hours and then get called a quack at Frye and not even testify.

The state needs to stfu and figure out what the word "budget" means.

 

[Plasmaball]

I'm not talking about Zimmerman's motives here. I'm theorizing on what is the motivation for the lefties steadfast belief that GZ is guilty.

guns, race, bad law, and a kid/boy/young adult was killed over stupidity.

there is nothing wrong with the law, the rest if true.

There is no need for this law at all.

 

[dilloduck]

to dismiss race as a motivation would make you foolish. Zimmerman based on the fact that black people where stealing things from the homes in his area made this a race issue.
But like the gun issue, its only part of the story here.

Balderdash---the first person to even mention race was the police operator

only for identification purposes-------------------HOLY SHIT! they were PROFILING, they should all be locked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact remains, if both guys were white or if both guys were black, this story would not have even made the local news in Sanford.

Liberals will drool forever about minorities who they feel are victimized. Guns don't matter.

 

[Wake]

No, that is what brought it to national attention but since then, the issue is the right to defend yourself, especially with a gun. That is the only reason that the left hasn't moved on from this case.

I respect you, but I disagree with you a bit, Pred.

This issue became a media sensation because of the way the media distorted the facts while stirring up notions of racism. They even called Zimmerman a White-Hispanic. That has always been at the core, and even though the Martin family's attorney stated the issue wasn't about race, I'm sure it still is in the hearts of some of those who continue to hate George Zimmerman. Because of their hate for GZ, with their view of him as a racist murderer, they will grasp at any string they can to punish him. They'll accuse him of being a wuss, a wannabe cop, a bad student, a racist, and a liar. They gun issue is one means to punish him for supposedly being a racist.

They will not move from this issue, and if GZ is acquitted, there will likely be violence from some as well as great anger.

I think we're arguing two different things. There is no doubt that the Martin Family believes that TM was followed because he was black, and that may be true, but my question was "why are the lefties here and in the media still so adamantly convinced GZ is guilty?" They need him to be because of the gun issue.

I don't claim that race isn't a factor, on the contrary, but IMO, the guns are the major factor. Especially here.

As Boris the Animal would say:

No hard feelings, friend.

 

[Sarah G]

I did that earlier today on a couple of matters.

Since then, I have knocked out one pending motion. And of course, I also learned a boat load about lawyering Florida style.

I have also reaffirmed my belief that avoiding nimrods like Sarie is a key to rational jury selection.

You're seeming a little obsessed with me now. I can't help it if you all ran off all the Dems here with your boring posts. Go find someone else to focus on.

STILL deflecting, eh Sarie?

Since you seem to have latched on to me, I think it's just fair and polite to provide the same degree of attention right back at ya.

This is PARTICULARLY true where you are being so cowardly and evasive.

Not that I expected anything better from you.

I just want to remind you that what you are doing isn't actually going unnoticed.

HEY GANG! LOOK! Sarie is DUCKING some more!

You're pretty sad really.

 

[Redfish]

guns, race, bad law, and a kid/boy/young adult was killed over stupidity.

there is nothing wrong with the law, the rest if true.

There is no need for this law at all.

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

 

[Plasmaball]

The thing that gets me is that they were convinced GZ was guilty even before they knew ANYTHING at all about the case, and still today, when any reasonable person would have to conclude that at least there is reasonable doubt, they still doggedly cling to GZ's guilt. They never even attempt to look at it objectively. Why is that?

I believe that it's partially about a black man dying but mostly about guns, and self-defense with a gun.

well to speak for myself i do think Zimmerman is guilty s something...maybe manslaughter at most, but the evidence doesnt support anything. To many holes that are not being filled to flesh out the complete story.

Hence he will walk, But Zimmerman is a liar.

what did he lie about? his story has been consistent from the beginning and the evidence supports his version of what happened.

I understand that you WANT him to be a liar, but there is no proof that he lied about anything.

Zimmerman saying that martin said " your going to die tonight" is fucking hack.

Seriously nobody says this unless you are in a die hard movie.....
Remove your partisanship for a second and at least admit that was fucking stupid.

 

[Plasmaball]

there is nothing wrong with the law, the rest if true.

There is no need for this law at all.

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

self defense is self defense and you don't need added laws in order to promote self defense.

 

[dilloduck]

well to speak for myself i do think Zimmerman is guilty s something...maybe manslaughter at most, but the evidence doesnt support anything. To many holes that are not being filled to flesh out the complete story.

Hence he will walk, But Zimmerman is a liar.

what did he lie about? his story has been consistent from the beginning and the evidence supports his version of what happened.

I understand that you WANT him to be a liar, but there is no proof that he lied about anything.

Zimmerman saying that martin said " your going to die tonight" is fucking hack.

Seriously nobody says this unless you are in a die hard movie.....
Remove your partisanship for a second and at least admit that was fucking stupid.

The fucker ate Skittles for Christ's sake. He coulda said anything.

 

[Redfish]

well to speak for myself i do think Zimmerman is guilty s something...maybe manslaughter at most, but the evidence doesnt support anything. To many holes that are not being filled to flesh out the complete story.

Hence he will walk, But Zimmerman is a liar.

what did he lie about? his story has been consistent from the beginning and the evidence supports his version of what happened.

I understand that you WANT him to be a liar, but there is no proof that he lied about anything.

Zimmerman saying that martin said " your going to die tonight" is fucking hack.

Seriously nobody says this unless you are in a die hard movie.....
Remove your partisanship for a second and at least admit that was fucking stupid.

and how exactly do you know that he did not say that? were you there? maybe you should volunteer as a witness since you KNOW what was said and who said it.

 

[Mustang]

there is nothing wrong with the law, the rest if true.

There is no need for this law at all.

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

Self defense is already a viable defense. Hence the name.

 

[Redfish]

There is no need for this law at all.

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

self defense is self defense and you don't need added laws in order to promote self defense.

No, in most state statutes self defense is a very subjective term. The Fla law defines when it is, and is not, OK to use deadly force to defend yourself.

It is a good and needed law.

 

[Plasmaball]

great...punks is now code word for black

context fuckstain context

well that certainly is an intelligent explanation



what context do you refer to and how does the context mean he was talking about black people.

I am presuming that the rash of breaks in's have been done by black kids or people as of late.

Then you have the fact his father is well a racist, and you have to at least consider that for a moment.

Does this make him guilty? NO, but it does paint a picture at least of Zimmerman. Racist does not equal guilt of murder though.

Like i said Context and i feel this opinion of mine is quite fair.

 

[thanatos144]

I admit to having little faith in juries.

Then son you live in the wrong country.... What you want is a authoritarian government like China.

I really don't think that's what he meant, thanatos. He doesn't trust them, he doesn't mean to abolish them.

It doesnt matter . it is how a free country operates. You cant judge Juries by the action of others.

 

[Plasmaball]

what did he lie about? his story has been consistent from the beginning and the evidence supports his version of what happened.

I understand that you WANT him to be a liar, but there is no proof that he lied about anything.

Zimmerman saying that martin said " your going to die tonight" is fucking hack.

Seriously nobody says this unless you are in a die hard movie.....
Remove your partisanship for a second and at least admit that was fucking stupid.

The fucker ate Skittles for Christ's sake. He coulda said anything.

Wow this was stupid

 

[Plasmaball]

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

self defense is self defense and you don't need added laws in order to promote self defense.

No, in most state statutes self defense is a very subjective term. The Fla law defines when it is, and is not, OK to use deadly force to defend yourself.

It is a good and needed law.

no

 

[Redfish]

There is no need for this law at all.

It codifies the definition of self defense, it is a good law.

Self defense is already a viable defense. Hence the name.

Yes, all the Fla law does is clarify when you can legally use deadly force to defend yourself.

 

[Plasmaball]

what did he lie about? his story has been consistent from the beginning and the evidence supports his version of what happened.

I understand that you WANT him to be a liar, but there is no proof that he lied about anything.

Zimmerman saying that martin said " your going to die tonight" is fucking hack.

Seriously nobody says this unless you are in a die hard movie.....
Remove your partisanship for a second and at least admit that was fucking stupid.

and how exactly do you know that he did not say that? were you there? maybe you should volunteer as a witness since you KNOW what was said and who said it.

sigh....You are one of these people i see....Rational thought does not sit well with partisans.....Oh well.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

They got through her entire testimony without R2D2 and his friends trying to break in.


How about that.