The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Challenger]

It should be common knowledge that under the Mandate, all of Palestine was reserved exclusively for the establishment of the Jewish National Home and future independent Jewish State, as was previously decided at the San Remo Peace Conference that took place in April 1920. Or put another way, no part of Palestine was allotted for an Arab National Home or state, since Arab self-determination was being generously granted elsewhere<snip>. . . There is thus no necessity for a new independent Arab State in the specific area of former Mandated Palestine reserved for Jewish self-determination, most particularly, in Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

Actually, let us remember that the original British mandate for Palestine included territory that in 1922, after the San Remo Conference, was split off to create Trans-Jordan; an(other) independent Arab state.

No it diddn't. Transjordania was a "no man's land" where the British established a Protectorate administered from Palestine in to stop the French from claiming it.

 

[Hollie]

So you are admitting that Challenger does not hate all Jews, just the "fucking Jews."

This actually has quite a bit of truth to it. See, Jews are nice. But Jewish Israelis (aka Zionists) are -- what did he say? -- oh yeah, rude and boorish. See the "new anti-semitism" separates the Jewish people into two groups -- the "nice" ones, who are more or less invisible and the "evil" ones who want such atrocious things as equal treatment and self-determination in their ancestral homeland.

I think there is a tendancy to lump Jews all together even though they live in many countries and have many different views on the world. However, I'd like to know exactly WHY he thinks all Israeli's are "rude and boorish" - Israel is a melting pot culture and they're all "rude and boorish"? Dividing a group into "good" and "bad" based on a broad brush approach like that is suspect because it singles out one nationality as "bad" rather than acknowledging the diversity that exists in reality.

Good point. Unfortunately this is what Palestinians tend to do in their public pronouncements, lump all "jews" together. It doesn't matter to them that there are Jewish people who are not Zionists; their day to day experience is with those who oppress and brutalise them. In such circumstances, "all Jews are the same" becomes the perception. Did I say all Israelis are rude and boorish or just the ones I've personally encountered?

Ah. The Poor, Opressed Pal'istanians™.

How difficult it must be for Arabs-Moslems to survive with an entire UN funded welfare agency dedicated to further the notion of an invented people with an invented national identity.

 

[Challenger]

How can such a simple concept consistently go over your head?​

The right to sovereignty belong to the people of the place.

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

 

[Challenger]

The origin of the Jewish people in Israel, in Judea, in Samaria is indisputable. To argue otherwise is simply ridiculous and seems to stem from an irrational hatred.

No it isn't. "Irrational hatred" is merely a red herring from a Zionist Hasbarist. The monotheistic cult known as Judaism originated in what is now modern day Iraq and Turkey and was introduced into the Levant by "missionaries" after the Persian conquest of the area.

 

[rylah]

How can such a simple concept consistently go over your head?​

The right to sovereignty belong to the people of the place.

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

 

[Challenger]

How can such a simple concept consistently go over your head?​

The right to sovereignty belong to the people of the place.

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

Neither anxious, nor obsessed, and I avoid using the word "jew" whenever possible, as it's both an insult and infers a non-existant racial connotation.

 

[Shusha]

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees.

The monotheistic cult known as Judaism originated in what is now modern day Iraq and Turkey and was introduced into the Levant by "missionaries" after the Persian conquest of the area.

The lengths you will go to disconnect and disenfranchise the Jewish people from their homeland is astonishing. It is so irrational as to defy response.

Your claim is that the Jewish people, and their culture and language, originated in Iraq/Turkey? And that there is no evidence of Jewish presence in Israel until the Persian conquest of 614 CE? You're mad.

 

[rylah]

How can such a simple concept consistently go over your head?​

The right to sovereignty belong to the people of the place.

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

Neither anxious, nor obsessed, and I avoid using the word "jew" whenever possible, as it's both an insult and infers a non-existant racial connotation.

you just can't hold it can you...quiet the specimen.
Please elaborate more on how JEW is an insult with a "non-existent" racial connotation.

Don't worry I won't call you a Jew

 

[Challenger]

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees.

The monotheistic cult known as Judaism originated in what is now modern day Iraq and Turkey and was introduced into the Levant by "missionaries" after the Persian conquest of the area.

The lengths you will go to disconnect and disenfranchise the Jewish people from their homeland is astonishing. It is so irrational as to defy response.

Your claim is that the Jewish people, and their culture and language, originated in Iraq/Turkey? And that there is no evidence of Jewish presence in Israel until the Persian conquest of 614 CE? You're mad.

Oh good grief. You apparently have an ignorance of history that is staggering; probably explains why you're a Hasbarist. Who said anything about the Sassanian conquest? I was refering to the Achaemenid conquest, about 1000 years earlier.

 

[Challenger]

How can such a simple concept consistently go over your head?​

The right to sovereignty belong to the people of the place.

The Jewish people ARE the people of the place. (The Arab Muslims are the ones who came from somewhere else. Though it was a very long time ago in the meantime they have become people of the place.)

And ethnically cleansing a place does not remove the sovereignty of those so cleansed. And permitting return is one of the privileges of sovereignty.

Surely, you are not going to argue that the Jewish people are not ONE of the people of the place, are you?

Modern Jewish people are a religious group largely from Europe, they are not and never have been, the "people of the place" of Palestine. The natives of that place were never ethnically cleansed, followed different religions throughout their history and are currently a majority of "Arabised" Muslims, with some Christian and Jewish devotees. Zionist Jewish Europeans (et al.) have no valid claim to the land.

pffft

Your neurosis is quiet the entertainment.

you seem to have a problem with just putting up with the word "Jew" without adding any tags to it...let alone defend your position as being a decent human being, rather than a nazi scum who's fixated on DA JOOOO's.

Now go find us any "Palestinians" who are not from Egypt, Syria or Iraq, and have any distinct culture they've kept for centuries...

Neither anxious, nor obsessed, and I avoid using the word "jew" whenever possible, as it's both an insult and infers a non-existant racial connotation.

you just can't hold it can you...quiet the specimen.
Please elaborate more on how JEW is an insult with a "non-existent" racial connotation.

Don't worry I won't call you a Jew

Google, "using the word "jew" as an insult" and you'll get over 9,000,000 results. Take your pick. Personally, I consider the word disrepectful towards Jewish people.

 

[Shusha]

Oh good grief. You apparently have an ignorance of history that is staggering; probably explains why you're a Hasbarist. Who said anything about the Sassanian conquest? I was refering to the Achaemenid conquest, about 1000 years earlier.

Lack of clarity on your part does not constitute ignorance on mine.

And this changes nothing about the substance of my post.

 

[Challenger]

Oh good grief. You apparently have an ignorance of history that is staggering; probably explains why you're a Hasbarist. Who said anything about the Sassanian conquest? I was refering to the Achaemenid conquest, about 1000 years earlier.

Lack of clarity on your part does not constitute ignorance on mine.

And this changes nothing about the substance of my post.

My post was clear enough to any student of the history of the region and indeed any biblical scholar.

Given your post had no substance in the first place, I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Phoenall]

Some history of Arab-Moslem colonialism.

What were the Native Americans called before it was America?

What ever they wanted to be called, but they were still native Americans

What where the arab muslims called before they called themselves filastins ?

 

[Phoenall]

Gaza: Settler Colonialism, Apartheid and Resistance - Panel Discussion

How do you colonise your own nation again, as the land was never arab muslim since 1099 C.E.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel spends billions a year bombing a myth?

No they spend billions defending against islamionazi terrorism and violence. Which is just one of the many rights you want to be removed from the Jews and denied to them for ever more

 

[Phoenall]

Only thousands out of billions shows just how little support there is for the arab muslims. For every one that turns up it means that 10 million support Israel, showing that you are talking to an empty room

 

[Phoenall]

All migrants that have arrived illegally and should have been arrested and deported

 

[Mindful]

Andrew McCann writes:

:: “Here’s a little fact for you all to get your heads around: NO religious minority in ANY country where Islam predominates has grown proportionately in size over the past 50 years. By contrast, the Muslim population in Israel (are you listening all you anti-Semites out there?) is ten times bigger today than it was when the state was founded in 1948. ::

 

[Challenger]

Andrew McCann writes:

:: “Here’s a little fact for you all to get your heads around: NO religious minority in ANY country where Islam predominates has grown proportionately in size over the past 50 years. By contrast, the Muslim population in Israel (are you listening all you anti-Semites out there?) is ten times bigger today than it was when the state was founded in 1948. ::

But 8 times smaller than it should be, thanks to the Zionists who ethnically cleansed them at that time.

 

[Hollie]

Andrew McCann writes:

:: “Here’s a little fact for you all to get your heads around: NO religious minority in ANY country where Islam predominates has grown proportionately in size over the past 50 years. By contrast, the Muslim population in Israel (are you listening all you anti-Semites out there?) is ten times bigger today than it was when the state was founded in 1948. ::

But 8 times smaller than it should be, thanks to the Zionists who ethnically cleansed them at that time.

Ah, the Ethnically Cleansed™ slogan. It's very similar the silly Genocide of the Pal'stanians™ which the Irrational Jew Haters sputter on with.