The Right To Bear Arms

[Flash]

[Q

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

1. They steal them.

2. They buy them legally but then use them for illegal purposes.

Any more stupid questions?

 

[EatMorChikin]

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Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

There you go with the lies again...

Most guns are sold legally - TRUE

Most criminals get guns legally - NO TRUE

If you ever told the truth, would you burst into flames or something?

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Not a crime to partake in commerce. And government has no business regulating firearm sales in the first place.

 

[kaz]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

"shall not be infringed" says otherwise.

There is one way the Constitution prescribes we can have our rights restricted:

Fifth amendment: "... nor shall any person be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ..."

Tonto hasn't learned how restricting guns worked out for real Indians. He's an apple, he's a metrosexual who dresses white and lives in a loft and his favorite drinks are white whine spritzers. Guns scare him

 

[Conservative65]

The NRA has done more for public safety than you ever have. Tens of thousands of kids have been saved from harm because of NRA safety programs. Your propaganda attack on them merely shows you to be the fascist you truly are.

LOL, my opinion is and remains that the NRA enables criminals, the insane, addicts and all around haters easy access to guns. Your little ad hominem does not refute my claim.

There is no doubt safety programs are good and prevent accidents, now the NRA needs to expand safety by figuring out a way to restrict guns to people who have taken such courses, have passed a comprehensive background check and can be denied access to guns and ammo if they commit any future act which would have made guns inaccessible to them, i.e. licensing and registration.

Note again all you propose is restricting gun access to honest citizens. Not one of your proposals has anything to do with criminals who just buy them illegally. That's why you keep ignoring responses to your stupid ideas

Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

Yes, most guns are sold legally, yet most crimes are committed with guns that are obtained illegally.

You call me "biased" yet exactly as I said, you're targeting legal gun owners, not criminals

So, if most crimes committed with a gun are obtained illegally, what method(s) does the perp use to obtain the gun?

In my case, it was STOLEN, out of a LOCKED vehicle, sitting on PRIVATE PROPERTY, and the one stealing it DIDN'T have an invitation to be there.

Tell me what background check that perp is going to go through in order to possess that gun.

 

[kaz]

The NRA has done more for public safety than you ever have. Tens of thousands of kids have been saved from harm because of NRA safety programs. Your propaganda attack on them merely shows you to be the fascist you truly are.

LOL, my opinion is and remains that the NRA enables criminals, the insane, addicts and all around haters easy access to guns. Your little ad hominem does not refute my claim.

There is no doubt safety programs are good and prevent accidents, now the NRA needs to expand safety by figuring out a way to restrict guns to people who have taken such courses, have passed a comprehensive background check and can be denied access to guns and ammo if they commit any future act which would have made guns inaccessible to them, i.e. licensing and registration.

Note again all you propose is restricting gun access to honest citizens. Not one of your proposals has anything to do with criminals who just buy them illegally. That's why you keep ignoring responses to your stupid ideas

Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

Yes, most guns are sold legally, yet most crimes are committed with guns that are obtained illegally.

You call me "biased" yet exactly as I said, you're targeting legal gun owners, not criminals

So, if most crimes committed with a gun are obtained illegally, what method(s) does the perp use to obtain the gun?

Well, the place I would start if I needed one would be my local drug dealer. They can get me a gun just like they can get me a joint or whatever other drugs I want. In fact they could fly in on the same plane. Or they can drive them across the border you fight to keep open.

That was my thread you swished on. We can't keep pot from high schoolers, how are you going to keep guns from criminals?

 

[kaz]

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Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

There you go with the lies again...

Most guns are sold legally - TRUE

Most criminals get guns legally - NO TRUE

If you ever told the truth, would you burst into flames or something?

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Of course. So you're thinking drug dealers wouldn't sell guns because that would be illegal?

And I thought you had no real argument. Nailed it ...

 

[kaz]

LOL, my opinion is and remains that the NRA enables criminals, the insane, addicts and all around haters easy access to guns. Your little ad hominem does not refute my claim.

There is no doubt safety programs are good and prevent accidents, now the NRA needs to expand safety by figuring out a way to restrict guns to people who have taken such courses, have passed a comprehensive background check and can be denied access to guns and ammo if they commit any future act which would have made guns inaccessible to them, i.e. licensing and registration.

Note again all you propose is restricting gun access to honest citizens. Not one of your proposals has anything to do with criminals who just buy them illegally. That's why you keep ignoring responses to your stupid ideas

Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

Yes, most guns are sold legally, yet most crimes are committed with guns that are obtained illegally.

You call me "biased" yet exactly as I said, you're targeting legal gun owners, not criminals

So, if most crimes committed with a gun are obtained illegally, what method(s) does the perp use to obtain the gun?

In my case, it was STOLEN, out of a LOCKED vehicle, sitting on PRIVATE PROPERTY, and the one stealing it DIDN'T have an invitation to be there.

Tell me what background check that perp is going to go through in order to possess that gun.

What's funny is the leftists whacko crowd like Wry make the same argument with drugs. You can't keep drugs out, stop funding organized crime!

Then with the exact same scenario with guns, they're like oh, Criminals won't break the law, that would be illegal

 

[Wry Catcher]

Seriously, y'all 'Safe Space' pussies are gonna have to move to a pussy country like France, England, Belgium, and so on. America's a tough place. It always has been. It's not for the weak and whiny.

Folks have the right to bear arms. If you can't handle that, move to another country. If you don't wanna do that, just quit your whining and go hide in your 'Safe Spaces'. Folks are gonna have their guns. Deal with it.

All folks have a right to bear arms? Do you really believe "shall not be infringed applies to everyone"?

 

[kaz]

Seriously, y'all 'Safe Space' pussies are gonna have to move to a pussy country like France, England, Belgium, and so on. America's a tough place. It always has been. It's not for the weak and whiny.

Folks have the right to bear arms. If you can't handle that, move to another country. If you don't wanna do that, just quit your whining and go hide in your 'Safe Spaces'. Folks are gonna have their guns. Deal with it.

All folks have a right to bear arms? Do you really believe "shall not be infringed applies to everyone"?

Post number 3003. The only one arguing that criminals and the mentally ill (when proven in court with due process) can buy guns is and always was you

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

There you go with the lies again...

Most guns are sold legally - TRUE

Most criminals get guns legally - NO TRUE

If you ever told the truth, would you burst into flames or something?

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Of course. So you're thinking drug dealers wouldn't sell guns because that would be illegal?

And I thought you had no real argument. Nailed it ...

Have you ever sold a gun and not done a background check?

Would you sell a gun to a neighbor who was so agitated at his wife and said he wanted to buy a gun to kill her? If yes, you are a criminal; if no, you believe in gun control

 

[Daryl Hunt]

heres the problem with republicans ....they are gullible ... they will believe just about everything they are told by their handlers
Hillary will take your guns away ... do you think she and the entire democrats would be that stupid to try and do that ??? really !!!!! do you ??? hears what they would have to do.... first get every democrat on board to pass legislation in removing the second amendment, how well do you think thats going to work you idiots republicans ??? then get the majority of the people in the country on board with them so they know they can get reelected ... mind you, this is how stupid you republicans are ... you would believe this crap that they would be this stupid to try and remove the second amendment ... I guess your stupidity is cause by your mother and your uncles being your father is the cause ...here we have 294 post saying all kinds of bull shit reason that you believe we Dems will take the second amendment away ... because thats what it is ... right wing bull shit ... they can't come up with any kind of plan to run on, they rely on you ignorance they intern go after the flag burners, people on welfare, guns, and gays and you fools lap it up ... I can believe republicans are this stupid .... that they feel we democrats would be so stupid to try and repeal the 2 amendment ... a amend meant that we believe that every person should have a gun ... we don't believe that gun should be a AR 15 .. or any automatic weapons ... by us democrats saying this you have been duped into beliebing we will repeal the second amendment, how moronic is that ...

First it's one type, than the next. And why is the Armalite 15 the posterchild for gun control? Because those for gun control, are trying to regulate shit, they know nothing about. Oohhh it's a black scary boogie man gun. As far as I'm concerned, I should have an M-16. The infringement has already went too far. Liberals will not stop, until we are limited to single shot musket loaders.

Let's look at it. High Capacity Mags, high rate of fire, the type of weapon that has done the most murdering in schools, theaters, public areas. The death and wounded would have been a lot lower if a handgun or bolt action were to be used. You 2nd amendment clowns all seem to want more slaughter like it's been used. They are weapons or war, not self defense. You want one of the best home defense weapon, I suggest you look into the 410 pistol using 3 double aught buck pellets. Your .556 rifle kills two houses over. Just like it's not a real good idea to use your 700 bdl 30 cal since it will do the same thing. The difference in the 7.62 is that the rifle is usually a bolt action. You can also use a shotgun using the defender shells that are designed to hold the pattern without the extreme penetration. Common sense says that a 40 SW is a better choice as well if you are a fair shot or real close.

The only reason to have a .556 AR style weapon is to shoot long and fast. And that is why it's the choice of mass shootings. WE need to fix it where not every Tom Dick and Omar can get his or her hands on one. In the 20s, the Thompson 45 cal MG was taken out of circulation in 1926. Stop this nonsense and save a few lives in the process.

 

[kaz]

There you go with the lies again...

Most guns are sold legally - TRUE

Most criminals get guns legally - NO TRUE

If you ever told the truth, would you burst into flames or something?

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Of course. So you're thinking drug dealers wouldn't sell guns because that would be illegal?

And I thought you had no real argument. Nailed it ...

Have you ever sold a gun and not done a background check?

Would you sell a gun to a neighbor who was so agitated at his wife and said he wanted to buy a gun to kill her? If yes, you are a criminal; if no, you believe in gun control

In your scenario, that's just mentally retarded. "Gun control" is government. My making a personal decision who I want to do business with being the same as government limiting all our rights is just wow, stupid even by your lofty standards of stupid.

My choice is free market. You're is a government controlled market. Those are the same, what a whack job.

So what about it turns out the husband is the nut job and he already has a gun and the wife wants one and then learns about the waiting period? You going to her funeral? You going to contribute to her children's college fund?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Note again all you propose is restricting gun access to honest citizens. Not one of your proposals has anything to do with criminals who just buy them illegally. That's why you keep ignoring responses to your stupid ideas

Once again you biases color your judgment. Most guns are sold legally, yet criminals seem to get them too easily as do mass murderers who are (presumably) insane.

Answer this question: How do criminals and the insane get guns?

Yes, most guns are sold legally, yet most crimes are committed with guns that are obtained illegally.

You call me "biased" yet exactly as I said, you're targeting legal gun owners, not criminals

So, if most crimes committed with a gun are obtained illegally, what method(s) does the perp use to obtain the gun?

In my case, it was STOLEN, out of a LOCKED vehicle, sitting on PRIVATE PROPERTY, and the one stealing it DIDN'T have an invitation to be there.

Tell me what background check that perp is going to go through in order to possess that gun.

What's funny is the leftists whacko crowd like Wry make the same argument with drugs. You can't keep drugs out, stop funding organized crime!

Then with the exact same scenario with guns, they're like oh, Criminals won't break the law, that would be illegal

I do wonder about your sanity. Did you report the theft to the agency of original jurisdiction? If not, why not? If all guns were registered, and when stolen reported to a nation registry, a) you might get your gun back, and b) when the gun was found, it could be traced back to the time and date stolen, and potentially open the door to a number of leads when followed to other guns and stolen property in the hands of criminals.

 

[Conservative65]

Seriously, y'all 'Safe Space' pussies are gonna have to move to a pussy country like France, England, Belgium, and so on. America's a tough place. It always has been. It's not for the weak and whiny.

Folks have the right to bear arms. If you can't handle that, move to another country. If you don't wanna do that, just quit your whining and go hide in your 'Safe Spaces'. Folks are gonna have their guns. Deal with it.

All folks have a right to bear arms? Do you really believe "shall not be infringed applies to everyone"?

Do you believe "due process" applies only to those you think should have it?

 

[emilynghiem]

Hillary won't take our guns.

Dear Lakhota
But the DOCTORS and COURTS can. By declaring people mentally unfit.

You cannot trust the "legal lobby" who have infiltrated every branch of govt.

If they can make people pay for health INSURANCE and call it health CARE,
under "penalty by tax fines" and call it FREE CHOICE,
they can mandate anything they want. Now that the FEDS have their hands on doctors and health care regulations!

Do you even realize the abuse of power that has been going on? And more and more power keeps shifting to govt?

A friend of mine lost her house and property to legal abuse this way .Got declared incompetent WITHOUT any doctor EVER examining her, and blocked from suing in court to defend her property. ALL POLITICAL because the lawyers and judges wanted her GONE.

So this is already happening, abusing legal power to declare people incompetent and unfit for political agenda.

 

[Flash]

[Q


Have you ever sold a gun and not done a background check?

Would you sell a gun to a neighbor who was so agitated at his wife and said he wanted to buy a gun to kill her? If yes, you are a criminal; if no, you believe in gun control

A background check is government permission to enjoy a right that is protected under the Constitution of the US. It is also an assumption of guilt before being proven innocent. If you have to get permission to be able to adhere to a right then it really isn't a right at all, is it?

The crime should never be the possession of a firearm because the Constitution clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms hall not be infringed. The crime should be for illegally using the firearm.

Do you understand that, Moon Bat, or are you still confused?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Of course. So you're thinking drug dealers wouldn't sell guns because that would be illegal?

And I thought you had no real argument. Nailed it ...

Have you ever sold a gun and not done a background check?

Would you sell a gun to a neighbor who was so agitated at his wife and said he wanted to buy a gun to kill her? If yes, you are a criminal; if no, you believe in gun control

In your scenario, that's just mentally retarded. "Gun control" is government. My making a personal decision who I want to do business with being the same as government limiting all our rights is just wow, stupid even by your lofty standards of stupid.

My choice is free market. You're is a government controlled market. Those are the same, what a whack job.

So what about it turns out the husband is the nut job and he already has a gun and the wife wants one and then learns about the waiting period? You going to her funeral? You going to contribute to her children's college fund?

Temper temper, I have a right to express my opinions as do you. Sadly, you lack the intelligence to argue you position without losing your temper and calling me a nut. I suppose you know this, and also know that your behavior might restrict your right to own a gun, if discovered in a background check. I suggest you find a good therapist.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hillary won't take our guns.

Dear Lakhota
But the DOCTORS and COURTS can. By declaring people mentally unfit.

You cannot trust the "legal lobby" who have infiltrated every branch of govt.

If they can make people pay for health INSURANCE and call it health CARE,
under "penalty by tax fines" and call it FREE CHOICE,
they can mandate anything they want. Now that the FEDS have their hands on doctors and health care regulations!

Do you even realize the abuse of power that has been going on? And more and more power keeps shifting to govt?

A friend of mine lost her house and property to legal abuse this way .Got declared incompetent WITHOUT any doctor EVER examining her, and blocked from suing in court to defend her property. ALL POLITICAL because the lawyers and judges wanted her GONE.

So this is already happening, abusing legal power to declare people incompetent and unfit for political agenda.

This ^^^ is really fringe thinking. I suggest you run to the library and take out a copy of Lord of the Flies, a great primer for anyone contemplating libertarianism.

 

[emilynghiem]

There you go with the lies again...

Most guns are sold legally - TRUE

Most criminals get guns legally - NO TRUE

If you ever told the truth, would you burst into flames or something?

Once again, you are either a liar, or cannot read and comprehend (I know you are both)

Never did I say "most criminals get guns legally".

Answer the question I asked, and don't post another straw man, you're not smart enough to pull that off.

HOW DO CRIMINALS AND THE INSANE GET GUNS?

They buy them illegally

So a seller commits a crime too. Yes or no?

Of course. So you're thinking drug dealers wouldn't sell guns because that would be illegal?

And I thought you had no real argument. Nailed it ...

Have you ever sold a gun and not done a background check?

Would you sell a gun to a neighbor who was so agitated at his wife and said he wanted to buy a gun to kill her? If yes, you are a criminal; if no, you believe in gun control

Dear Wry Catcher:
The difference is NOT treating the LAW ABIDING citizens with the same 'deprivation of liberty' as the criminals who have mental or criminal issues or records.

That's the problem.

How do we screen out the truly dangerous people? Without infringing on rights of law abiding citizens?

One solution Wry Catcher is the process of spiritual healing that has been used effectively and VOLUNTARILY to diagnose the cause and also to CURE criminal illness, abuse and addiction issues.

Since this is VOLUNTARY, that's why it isn't implemented through govt, which has no jurisdiction over people's spiritual process of healing of their internal issues and sickness.

Only AFTER a crime has occurred is the govt authorized to intervene.

So that's where the conflict lies.

The solution would be for PEOPLE to VOLUNTARILY participate and apply these methods to screen out mental and criminal illness per community WITHOUT being forced by govt.

Maybe we could find a way to do that, sort of like the OPPOSITE of the ACA health care mandates that imposed the wrong way.

If people want to qualify for the health care program of their choice (either free market or single payer through govt), the condition could be added that everyone go through the spiritual healing diagnostics to cure any potential cause of illness that is internal, in order to reduce the COST so health care can be afforded for everyone. something like that.

this same process would SCREEN OUT the mentally ill and criminally dangerous people at the same time, not for punishment but for free treatment and recovery counseling. So everyone would win that way.

 

[Contumacious]

Hillary won't take our guns.

Dear Lakhota
But the DOCTORS and COURTS can. By declaring people mentally unfit.

You cannot trust the "legal lobby" who have infiltrated every branch of govt.

If they can make people pay for health INSURANCE and call it health CARE,
under "penalty by tax fines" and call it FREE CHOICE,
they can mandate anything they want. Now that the FEDS have their hands on doctors and health care regulations!

Do you even realize the abuse of power that has been going on? And more and more power keeps shifting to govt?

A friend of mine lost her house and property to legal abuse this way .Got declared incompetent WITHOUT any doctor EVER examining her, and blocked from suing in court to defend her property. ALL POLITICAL because the lawyers and judges wanted her GONE.

So this is already happening, abusing legal power to declare people incompetent and unfit for political agenda.

This is really fringe thinking. I suggest you run to the library and take out a copy of Lord of the Flies, a great primer for anyone contemplating libertarianism.

Yep, FREEMEN need a primer.


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