The Right To Bear Arms

[OODA_Loop]

Then I guess being on my ignore list is permanent for those idiots.

But kitty likes its new toy.

 

[westwall]

Well said Lakhota!

1. to provide that, to acquire a firearm, an application be made reciting age, residence, employment and any prior criminal convictions?
2. to required that this application lie on the table for 10 days (absent a showing for urgent need) before the license would be issued?
3. that the transfer of a firearm be made essentially as with that of a motor vehicle?
4. to have a "ballistic fingerprint" of the firearm made by the manufacturer and filed with the license record so that, if a bullet is found in a victim's body, law enforcement might be helped in finding the culprit?

This is pretty much exactly what Ive been saying. There is no logical reason NOT to do the things you suggest here. I dont want people to give up their guns. All I ask is for responsible gun ownership!

I would like the registration with background checks and renewed each year to make sure the gun is still in the possession of the owner. Selling the weapon from the time it's in a gun store requires transferring the registration and I want it to apply to all firearms, including the cops and military. Of course, only rifled firearms need ballistics tests and the test should be done periodically. The sale of rifled firearm barrels should also be registered. Every gun in a gun store is registered to an owner. The manufacturer has to register the gun once assembled.

Since people may have multiple weapons, I suggest a date randomly decided should be selected for renewal or periodic ballistics tests. If someone has very many guns, they can select more than one date of the year. Gun shops in the area could be used for renewal and ballistics testing and the bullets should be sent to the FBI, so they can be quickly scanned and placed in a data base. The gun shop can hold off sending the bullets for testing for a short period to avoid excess postage. The gun shops can get a modest fee, but there isn't much required for a renewal. If an area has problems with guns disappearing, photos can be taken to assist law enforcement.

I suggest confiscation and heavy penalties for possession of an unregistered weapon, which includes losing the right to own a gun.

The problem with your little dream scenario is once you shoot someone, you go clean the weapon and the baliistics fingerprint has been altered. In other words what you would like to do would fail to do anything.

 

[westwall]

The ballistics fingerprint is to stop a criminal from wanting to use the weapon in a crime.

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using it as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals

Your revolutionaries would get blown off the planet, so dream on, fool!

thats what the British thought too and the US in Vietnam. Sorry

I'm not interested in your fucking fantasies. Go find some idiots and talk to them!

Why? You're here now!

 

[GuyPinestra]

Well said Lakhota!

1. to provide that, to acquire a firearm, an application be made reciting age, residence, employment and any prior criminal convictions?
2. to required that this application lie on the table for 10 days (absent a showing for urgent need) before the license would be issued?
3. that the transfer of a firearm be made essentially as with that of a motor vehicle?
4. to have a "ballistic fingerprint" of the firearm made by the manufacturer and filed with the license record so that, if a bullet is found in a victim's body, law enforcement might be helped in finding the culprit?

This is pretty much exactly what Ive been saying. There is no logical reason NOT to do the things you suggest here. I dont want people to give up their guns. All I ask is for responsible gun ownership!

When 99.99% of guns are NEVER used in a crime you already have responsible gun ownership, moron.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using it as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals



thats what the British thought too and the US in Vietnam. Sorry

I'm not interested in your fucking fantasies. Go find some idiots and talk to them!

Why? You're here now!

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using guns as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals.

 

[Harry Dresden]

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using it as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals



thats what the British thought too and the US in Vietnam. Sorry

I'm not interested in your fucking fantasies. Go find some idiots and talk to them!

Why? You're here now!

this meatball might be dumber than Franco.......

 

[GuyPinestra]

I'm not interested in your fucking fantasies. Go find some idiots and talk to them!

Why? You're here now!

this meatball might be dumber than Franco.......

Until I read this thread I didn't think that was humanly possible!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Punish gun criminals severely is the answer.

You don't have an answer and just like that trickle down bullshit, your ways never works. That's why America doesn't want anything to do with your stupid "do nothing" solutions. We want problems solved and you don't.

are you for real?......punishing the Criminal severely is a foolish thing to do?....and never works?....whats your solution?....a 30 year sentence and let them out in 5 for good behavior?...... yea you are solving problems.....

No I think he would whether punish the victim if they live through being victimized

 

[Dubya]

I'm not interested in your fucking fantasies. Go find some idiots and talk to them!

Why? You're here now!

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using guns as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals.

Instead of hiding behind a keyboard, try running your mouth about killing liberals in public!

 

[GuyPinestra]

Why? You're here now!

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using guns as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals.

Instead of hiding behind a keyboard, try running your mouth about killing liberals in public!

STFU... Nobody has to 'kill a liberal' to protect themselves from one, just the sight of a pistol or the racking of a shotgun would be enough to make you piss your pants and run screaming for Mommy in the other direction.

 

[Harry Dresden]

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using guns as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals.

Instead of hiding behind a keyboard, try running your mouth about killing liberals in public!

STFU... Nobody has to 'kill a liberal' to protect themselves from one, just the sight of a pistol or the racking of a shotgun would be enough to make you piss your pants and run screaming for Mommy in the other direction.

i dont think so Guy....he "CLAIMS" he is an ex Marine from what i understand.....so i am sure he is one tough mo fo....maybe to the Women anyway....

 

[westwall]

Why? You're here now!

but also stop conservatives and libertarians from using guns as intended,i.e., to protect themselves from liberals.

Instead of hiding behind a keyboard, try running your mouth about killing liberals in public!

Typical lib response. I hate to inform you (but you allready know it anyway) but it's you libs who want to kill everything. You want to kill all the babies, you want to kill all the climate sceptics, you want to kill all the cats, you want to kill all the mice, you want to kill pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with you. McVeigh was a lefty, this nutjob ex cop is a leftwing nutjob, the Aurora shooter is a lefty, Loughner is a lefty........

I see lots and lots of lefties commiting all sorts of violent crimes going all the way back to the 1960's. You asshats haven't changed your stripe.....

 

[westwall]

Instead of hiding behind a keyboard, try running your mouth about killing liberals in public!

STFU... Nobody has to 'kill a liberal' to protect themselves from one, just the sight of a pistol or the racking of a shotgun would be enough to make you piss your pants and run screaming for Mommy in the other direction.

i dont think so Guy....he "CLAIMS" he is an ex Marine from what i understand.....so i am sure he is one tough mo fo....maybe to the Women anyway....

This guy is the kind of douchebag you read about who beats cats and small children. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Dubya finds it impossible to imagine that our saintly Founders gave us guns to protect ourselves from morally superior welfare loving liberals!

Liberals are so sure they are right they spied for Stalin and gave him the A- bomb so he could violently impose his morally superior system on us. The ends justify the means if you're a welfare loving, moral hazard ignoring, liberal!

 

[Dubya]

Dubya finds it impossible to imagine that our saintly Founders gave us guns to protect ourselves from morally superior welfare loving liberals!

Liberals are so sure they are right they spied for Stalin and gave him the A- bomb so he could violently impose his morally superior system on us. The ends justify the means if you're a welfare loving, moral hazard ignoring, liberal!

I see the Keyboard Warrior is back at it again, because he's too afraid to run that mouth in public.

The Founders gave us a government where we elected our representatives. Since then, men without property were allowed to vote, woman were allowed to vote, we were given the direct vote for the Senate and the terms a President could serve were limited. If you want to change that government, you do it at the polls, like the country has just done. Too bad you lost, but that's what losers are good at doing!

You are allowed to run your mouth with your crazy talk, but talk is all it will ever be. The day you start something in America is the day you die. Your small arms are no match for a government that will keep you in check. Your guns don't make much difference when they drop a bomb on your ass.

MOVE or the MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group founded by John Africa. MOVE was described by CNN as "a loose-knit, mostly black group whose members all adopted the surname Africa, advocated a "back-to-nature" lifestyle and preached against technology."[1] The group lived communally and frequently engaged in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.

Since their founding in 1972, their actions attracted the attention of the Philadelphia Police Department. A major incident occurred in 1978, when the police raided their Powelton Village home. This raid resulted in the death of one police officer and the imprisonment of nine group members, now known as "The MOVE 9." After this, the group relocated further west to a house at 6221 Osage Ave.

In 1985, the group made national news when police dropped a bomb on the Osage house from a helicopter in an attempt to end an armed standoff. The explosion ignited a fire in which 11 people died, including five children and the group's leader, John Africa. Only two occupants survived, Ramona, an adult and Birdie, a child. In addition, 65 homes were destroyed as the entire block burned.[2]

Source: MOVE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first thing communists do when the take over a country is go after the liberals. The liberals believe in individual freedom and conservatives don't trust the individual, just like the communists. Conservatives believe in economic freedom, but they have business in bed with the government, just like the communists. They are no longer capitalists, but corporatists. The communists know you conservatives will get along just fine with their system focused on the economic controls and controlling the people's lives, because that's what conservatives want too. It's individual freedom that threatens both conservatives and communists.

Liberals and communists don't get along, because they are competing ideologies. Liberals don't spy for Stalin and communists do. Of course, there is no way you could know that, because you have to be wrong about everything in your Goober life.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Dubya finds it impossible to imagine that our saintly Founders gave us guns to protect ourselves from morally superior welfare loving liberals!

Liberals are so sure they are right they spied for Stalin and gave him the A- bomb so he could violently impose his morally superior system on us. The ends justify the means if you're a welfare loving, moral hazard ignoring, liberal!

I see the Keyboard Warrior is back at it again, because he's too afraid to run that mouth in public.

The Founders gave us a government where we elected our representatives. Since then, men without property were allowed to vote, woman were allowed to vote, we were given the direct vote for the Senate and the terms a President could serve were limited. If you want to change that government, you do it at the polls, like the country has just done. Too bad you lost, but that's what losers are good at doing!

You are allowed to run your mouth with your crazy talk, but talk is all it will ever be. The day you start something in America is the day you die. Your small arms are no match for a government that will keep you in check. Your guns don't make much difference when they drop a bomb on your ass.

MOVE or the MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group founded by John Africa. MOVE was described by CNN as "a loose-knit, mostly black group whose members all adopted the surname Africa, advocated a "back-to-nature" lifestyle and preached against technology."[1] The group lived communally and frequently engaged in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.

Since their founding in 1972, their actions attracted the attention of the Philadelphia Police Department. A major incident occurred in 1978, when the police raided their Powelton Village home. This raid resulted in the death of one police officer and the imprisonment of nine group members, now known as "The MOVE 9." After this, the group relocated further west to a house at 6221 Osage Ave.

In 1985, the group made national news when police dropped a bomb on the Osage house from a helicopter in an attempt to end an armed standoff. The explosion ignited a fire in which 11 people died, including five children and the group's leader, John Africa. Only two occupants survived, Ramona, an adult and Birdie, a child. In addition, 65 homes were destroyed as the entire block burned.[2]

Source: MOVE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first thing communists do when the take over a country is go after the liberals. The liberals believe in individual freedom and conservatives don't trust the individual, just like the communists. Conservatives believe in economic freedom, but they have business in bed with the government, just like the communists. They are no longer capitalists, but corporatists. The communists know you conservatives will get along just fine with their system focused on the economic controls and controlling the people's lives, because that's what conservatives want too. It's individual freedom that threatens both conservatives and communists.

Liberals and communists don't get along, because they are competing ideologies. Liberals don't spy for Stalin and communists do. Of course, there is no way you could know that, because you have to be wrong about everything in your Goober life.

Words of an admitted fraud.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Liberals don't spy for Stalin and communists do.

dear, Alger Hiss and Whittacker Chambers were openly liberal and communist. The KGB code name for the Julius Rosenberg was, "Liberal". Oleg Klugian said, "we looked among the liberals when we needed new spies."

Mona Charon wrote a whole book about it called "Useful Idiots"!! Have you read it or many of the others ? Do you want a reading list?

Obama is a liberal but had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders

Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”


Obama said, in his biography, he gravitated to Marxist professors in college, he had a Marxist preacher best friend for 20 years, said in his auto biography that when he worked on Wall Street he felt as if "he had parachuted behind enemy lines", was more liberal in the Senate the Bernie Sanders( an open socialist) and now, despite 200 years of gov't growth, his deficits will be bigger than all other American presidents combined, and, he also wants perhaps absolute control over health care (already mostly controlled by gov't), banking, and the auto industry.

Through Frank Marshall Davis,( Communist Party number: 47544) Obama had an admitted deep and prolonged relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path.
But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."


Bernie Saunders is a Democrat and an open socialist. Obama is to the left of Saunders based on his voting record in the Senate.

Oleg Klugian (head of KGB in cold war) said that when he wanted to recruit spies he looked among the liberals. When FDR's liberals went to the USSR they came back on a ship named the "Leviathan" to report, "they had seen the future and it worked."

Then of course BO appointed at least 4 communists: Mark Lloyd (supporter of communist revolution in Venezuela) and Van Jones who said "give them the wealth, give them the wealth," and Annita Dunn who said, "Mao is my favorite philosopher" , and Bloom who said, "free markets are nonsense."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn’t say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive [Marxist] change.

Obama: "I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn't say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

In an article titled "The Impossible is Now Possible: Assessing the Obama Presidency," executive vice chair of the Communist Party United States, Jarvis Tyner hailed the President's "drive to the left." "The health care bill, the stimulus package, the cap-and-trade bill, the elimination of secret elections for union representation-it's a program we dared not dream possible only a year ago," Tyner wrote. "But now it's on the verge of becoming the new blueprint for a truly socialist America."

A quick visit to the CPUSA website yields:

"In some ways last night's State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance. There were stirring moments, memorable turns of phrase, humor, a defense of activist government, and proposals that will be welcomed, and surely help, millions of people in need." Obama State of the Union: He got the ball rolling » cpusa


And, if all that is not enough BO wrote a book called " Dreams From my Father". His father was a drunken suicidal Marxist who dreamed to free the world from American imperialism. His mother married 2 communists and urged BO to follow is communist bio dad.


And lets not forget that BO is openly for single payer socialist health care!!

And lets not forget Barry wrote a book called "Dreams from my Father"

1. In 1965, Barack Obama, Sr. wrote in the “East Africa Journal” the following: “We need…to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now.” How? Well, the state can take over large segments of the “commercial” or private sector. And, he said, there is no reason to worry about economic freedom or individual rights “We have to look at priorities in terms of what is good for society and on this basis we may find it necessary to force people to do things they would not do otherwise.”

2. In an article from 1965 entitled “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” Barack Obama’s father stated: Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed. . . It is a fallacy to say there is a limit (to tax rates), and it is a fallacy to rely mainly on individual free enterprise to get the savings. Barack Obama Sr. "Tax 100% of income." Like Father, Like Son? | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution

 

[Dubya]

A statist and a liberal are too different ideologies, just like conservative and libertarian are. Moderate is another ideology.

 

[westwall]

A statist and a liberal are too different ideologies, just like conservative and libertarian are. Moderate is another ideology.

Wow, you are truly a poorly educated individual.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Liberals don't spy for Stalin and communists do.

dear, Alger Hiss and Whittacker Chambers were openly liberal and communist. The KGB code name for the Julius Rosenberg was, "Liberal". Oleg Klugian said, "we looked among the liberals when we needed new spies."

Mona Charon wrote a whole book about it called "Useful Idiots"!! Have you read it or many of the others ? Do you want a reading list?

Obama is a liberal but had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders

Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”


Obama said, in his biography, he gravitated to Marxist professors in college, he had a Marxist preacher best friend for 20 years, said in his auto biography that when he worked on Wall Street he felt as if "he had parachuted behind enemy lines", was more liberal in the Senate the Bernie Sanders( an open socialist) and now, despite 200 years of gov't growth, his deficits will be bigger than all other American presidents combined, and, he also wants perhaps absolute control over health care (already mostly controlled by gov't), banking, and the auto industry.

Through Frank Marshall Davis,( Communist Party number: 47544) Obama had an admitted deep and prolonged relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path.
But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."


Bernie Saunders is a Democrat and an open socialist. Obama is to the left of Saunders based on his voting record in the Senate.

Oleg Klugian (head of KGB in cold war) said that when he wanted to recruit spies he looked among the liberals. When FDR's liberals went to the USSR they came back on a ship named the "Leviathan" to report, "they had seen the future and it worked."

Then of course BO appointed at least 4 communists: Mark Lloyd (supporter of communist revolution in Venezuela) and Van Jones who said "give them the wealth, give them the wealth," and Annita Dunn who said, "Mao is my favorite philosopher" , and Bloom who said, "free markets are nonsense."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn’t say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive [Marxist] change.

Obama: "I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot."

Obama: the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties....... it doesn't say what the federal government [our genius founders forgot?] or the state government must do on your behalf.

In an article titled "The Impossible is Now Possible: Assessing the Obama Presidency," executive vice chair of the Communist Party United States, Jarvis Tyner hailed the President's "drive to the left." "The health care bill, the stimulus package, the cap-and-trade bill, the elimination of secret elections for union representation-it's a program we dared not dream possible only a year ago," Tyner wrote. "But now it's on the verge of becoming the new blueprint for a truly socialist America."

A quick visit to the CPUSA website yields:

"In some ways last night's State of the Union address by President Obama was a virtuoso performance. There were stirring moments, memorable turns of phrase, humor, a defense of activist government, and proposals that will be welcomed, and surely help, millions of people in need." Obama State of the Union: He got the ball rolling » cpusa


And, if all that is not enough BO wrote a book called " Dreams From my Father". His father was a drunken suicidal Marxist who dreamed to free the world from American imperialism. His mother married 2 communists and urged BO to follow is communist bio dad.


And lets not forget that BO is openly for single payer socialist health care!!

And lets not forget Barry wrote a book called "Dreams from my Father"

1. In 1965, Barack Obama, Sr. wrote in the “East Africa Journal” the following: “We need…to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now.” How? Well, the state can take over large segments of the “commercial” or private sector. And, he said, there is no reason to worry about economic freedom or individual rights “We have to look at priorities in terms of what is good for society and on this basis we may find it necessary to force people to do things they would not do otherwise.”

2. In an article from 1965 entitled “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” Barack Obama’s father stated: Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed. . . It is a fallacy to say there is a limit (to tax rates), and it is a fallacy to rely mainly on individual free enterprise to get the savings. Barack Obama Sr. "Tax 100% of income." Like Father, Like Son? | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution

You really don't think Dumbya read all that, do you?