The "RINO" Thread

[Old Rocks]

My cousin died years ago SINGLE.
He was late 50s self employed in the apple farming business Clintondale, NY.
His heirs RECEIVED NOTHING from all of the social security dollars he paid in for 40+ years.
NADA, ZERO
If he was in a private system like some countries offer HIS HEIRS GET ALL OF IT.

All that sounds fine except

How many people have seen their supposedly gauranteed pensions from the companies that they worked for a good deal of their life disappear when the company went broke or changed ownership.

One of the fellows I worked with in Boy Scouts events was a lineman. A careful cautious fellow that had over a half million in his 401K. PGE was purchases by Enron. All the 401K's were put into Enron stock without consulting the employees. When Enron went down, he had less than 15K left. He had to retire not long afterward for reasons of health. All he had left was SS.

You won't find much trust out here for private systems. We saw with derivitives how much people can be trusted in financial institutions.

 

[JoeB131]

My cousin died years ago SINGLE.
He was late 50s self employed in the apple farming business Clintondale, NY.
His heirs RECEIVED NOTHING from all of the social security dollars he paid in for 40+ years.
NADA, ZERO
If he was in a private system like some countries offer HIS HEIRS GET ALL OF IT.

All that sounds fine except

How many people have seen their supposedly gauranteed pensions from the companies that they worked for a good deal of their life disappear when the company went broke or changed ownership.

One of the fellows I worked with in Boy Scouts events was a lineman. A careful cautious fellow that had over a half million in his 401K. PGE was purchases by Enron. All the 401K's were put into Enron stock without consulting the employees. When Enron went down, he had less than 15K left. He had to retire not long afterward for reasons of health. All he had left was SS.

You won't find much trust out here for private systems. We saw with derivitives how much people can be trusted in financial institutions.

And Gawdawg will say it was his own fault for making bad choices.

Again, the modern Republican Party

"I've got mine, Screw You!"

 

[Gadawg73]

Nope, you are the one who has not been giving full disclosure and are desperate. Adopting a grand child is completely legal, or adopting a niece or nephew.

There are indeed problems, but you said flatly there are no remedies.

That is not the case.

Full disclosure, huh?

Thank you FINALLY for full disclosure.

Nope, not a ponzi scheme.

And thank you for participating in SS.

Now in the situations, adopt a grand child or great grand child whenever possible (a year old) as necessary or incorporate.

Think!

Incorporate????
That does nothing for your social security benefits.
Adopt a grand child?????????
Yes, many probably do try to cheat the system any way they can but I do not believe adopting one's grand kid stands any credibility as a survivor benefit.
You are desperate Jake. Give it up.
I was right so just admit it.

So you are about to go driving on I-285 and state "I am going to have a fatal accident today and have no heirs to receive my $644 a month survivor benefit for under 18 year old dependents so I am going to adopt a grand kid of mine right now"
And after you leave the lawyers office you are hit by a semi tractor trailer and die. Your 12 year old grand kid receive $44,000 over the next 6 years and the other $400,000. IS KEPT BY GOVERNMENT.
Ponzi scheme is sounding better with each post.
Give it up Jake. There is NO account in social security with your name on it that your heirs receive when you die.
On the other hand if it was in a private account THEY WOULD RECEIVE IT ALL.
Social Security=Ponzi scheme
We all know it so just admit it?
Incorporate?? 'Splain that one.
You keep digging yourself deeper into your hole as you make it up as you go.
Die with no spouse and no kids under age 18 YOUR HEIRS GET NOTHING.

WELL DUH!

 

[JoeB131]

So you are about to go driving on I-285 and state "I am going to have a fatal accident today and have no heirs to receive my $644 a month survivor benefit for under 18 year old dependents so I am going to adopt a grand kid of mine right now"
And after you leave the lawyers office you are hit by a semi tractor trailer and die. Your 12 year old grand kid receive $44,000 over the next 6 years and the other $400,000. IS KEPT BY GOVERNMENT.
Ponzi scheme is sounding better with each post.
Give it up Jake. There is NO account in social security with your name on it that your heirs receive when you die.
On the other hand if it was in a private account THEY WOULD RECEIVE IT ALL.
Social Security=Ponzi scheme
We all know it so just admit it?
Incorporate?? 'Splain that one.
You keep digging yourself deeper into your hole as you make it up as you go.
Die with no spouse and no kids under age 18 YOUR HEIRS GET NOTHING.

WELL DUH!

Wow, the thought of us looking out for each other rather than every man for himself and "I've got mine" really horrifies you, doesn't it?

 

[Gadawg73]

My cousin died years ago SINGLE.
He was late 50s self employed in the apple farming business Clintondale, NY.
His heirs RECEIVED NOTHING from all of the social security dollars he paid in for 40+ years.
NADA, ZERO
If he was in a private system like some countries offer HIS HEIRS GET ALL OF IT.

All that sounds fine except

How many people have seen their supposedly gauranteed pensions from the companies that they worked for a good deal of their life disappear when the company went broke or changed ownership.

One of the fellows I worked with in Boy Scouts events was a lineman. A careful cautious fellow that had over a half million in his 401K. PGE was purchases by Enron. All the 401K's were put into Enron stock without consulting the employees. When Enron went down, he had less than 15K left. He had to retire not long afterward for reasons of health. All he had left was SS.

You won't find much trust out here for private systems. We saw with derivitives how much people can be trusted in financial institutions.

And Gawdawg will say it was his own fault for making bad choices.

Again, the modern Republican Party

"I've got mine, Screw You!"

I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

 

[Gadawg73]

So you are about to go driving on I-285 and state "I am going to have a fatal accident today and have no heirs to receive my $644 a month survivor benefit for under 18 year old dependents so I am going to adopt a grand kid of mine right now"
And after you leave the lawyers office you are hit by a semi tractor trailer and die. Your 12 year old grand kid receive $44,000 over the next 6 years and the other $400,000. IS KEPT BY GOVERNMENT.
Ponzi scheme is sounding better with each post.
Give it up Jake. There is NO account in social security with your name on it that your heirs receive when you die.
On the other hand if it was in a private account THEY WOULD RECEIVE IT ALL.
Social Security=Ponzi scheme
We all know it so just admit it?
Incorporate?? 'Splain that one.
You keep digging yourself deeper into your hole as you make it up as you go.
Die with no spouse and no kids under age 18 YOUR HEIRS GET NOTHING.

WELL DUH!

Wow, the thought of us looking out for each other rather than every man for himself and "I've got mine" really horrifies you, doesn't it?

Where is looking out for each other in this equation?
You believe government is looking out for you?

 

[JoeB131]

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I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

You mean one of the poorest, most backward-ass states in teh country, and you are proud of that? really?

You see, here's the funny thing about Democracy. We can vote to take yours if we want to...

Oh, wait. We just did that.

Enjoy your higher tax rate, ASSHOLE!!!!

 

[Meister]

All that sounds fine except

How many people have seen their supposedly gauranteed pensions from the companies that they worked for a good deal of their life disappear when the company went broke or changed ownership.

One of the fellows I worked with in Boy Scouts events was a lineman. A careful cautious fellow that had over a half million in his 401K. PGE was purchases by Enron. All the 401K's were put into Enron stock without consulting the employees. When Enron went down, he had less than 15K left. He had to retire not long afterward for reasons of health. All he had left was SS.

You won't find much trust out here for private systems. We saw with derivitives how much people can be trusted in financial institutions.

And Gawdawg will say it was his own fault for making bad choices.

Again, the modern Republican Party

"I've got mine, Screw You!"

I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

Joe & Co. has found out that they don't have to earn it any longer, that it will be provided if the right politicians are elected.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Give it up. You are so fail here, and yes you are bound by We the People decisions in our legislatures and our courts. Complain all you want, but no one really is impressed with your cry babying.

Nope, you are the one who has not been giving full disclosure and are desperate. Adopting a grand child is completely legal, or adopting a niece or nephew.

There are indeed problems, but you said flatly there are no remedies.

That is not the case.

Full disclosure, huh?

Incorporate????
That does nothing for your social security benefits.
Adopt a grand child?????????
Yes, many probably do try to cheat the system any way they can but I do not believe adopting one's grand kid stands any credibility as a survivor benefit.
You are desperate Jake. Give it up.
I was right so just admit it.

So you are about to go driving on I-285 and state "I am going to have a fatal accident today and have no heirs to receive my $644 a month survivor benefit for under 18 year old dependents so I am going to adopt a grand kid of mine right now"
And after you leave the lawyers office you are hit by a semi tractor trailer and die. Your 12 year old grand kid receive $44,000 over the next 6 years and the other $400,000. IS KEPT BY GOVERNMENT.
Ponzi scheme is sounding better with each post.
Give it up Jake. There is NO account in social security with your name on it that your heirs receive when you die.
On the other hand if it was in a private account THEY WOULD RECEIVE IT ALL.
Social Security=Ponzi scheme
We all know it so just admit it?
Incorporate?? 'Splain that one.
You keep digging yourself deeper into your hole as you make it up as you go.
Die with no spouse and no kids under age 18 YOUR HEIRS GET NOTHING.

WELL DUH!

 

[Meister]

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I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

You mean one of the poorest, most backward-ass states in teh country, and you are proud of that? really?

You see, here's the funny thing about Democracy. We can vote to take yours if we want to...
Oh, wait. We just did that.

Enjoy your higher tax rate, ASSHOLE!!!!

Just what I was talking about.

 

[JoeB131]

Wow, the thought of us looking out for each other rather than every man for himself and "I've got mine" really horrifies you, doesn't it?

Where is looking out for each other in this equation?
You believe government is looking out for you?

Yeah, actually I do.

If I'm dead before I retire, and I don't have heirs, I don't need the money.

And this is what horrifies you. YOu mistake what little luck you have for merit, and it just burns you that we are all going to look out for eachother whether you want to or not.

Plutocracy got put on the ballot Nov. 6 and it lost.

Deal with it.

 

[JoeB131]

And Gawdawg will say it was his own fault for making bad choices.

Again, the modern Republican Party

"I've got mine, Screw You!"

I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

Joe & Co. has found out that they don't have to earn it any longer, that it will be provided if the right politicians are elected.

No, we just figured out that we can't trust the plutocrats to not try to cheat us at every oppurtunity unless we have a government with one big hammer to whack them upside the head if you don't.

I figured that out after my last job, where after busting my ass for them for six years, they decided to let me go because I ran up too many medical bills.

Simply put, putting my trust in a system that rewards those who lie, cheat and steal to make an almight buck is pretty much like counting on making my living in a casino.

The House always wins.

 

[Gadawg73]

Wow, the thought of us looking out for each other rather than every man for himself and "I've got mine" really horrifies you, doesn't it?

Where is looking out for each other in this equation?
You believe government is looking out for you?

Yeah, actually I do.

If I'm dead before I retire, and I don't have heirs, I don't need the money.

And this is what horrifies you. YOu mistake what little luck you have for merit, and it just burns you that we are all going to look out for eachother whether you want to or not.

Plutocracy got put on the ballot Nov. 6 and it lost.

Deal with it.

No doubt you have no children.
The selfish bitter man that you are.

 

[Gadawg73]

I have made no bad choices.
I do have mine, I EARNED IT.
I still work 60 hour weeks at age 58.
No cry babies.
If you are too lazy or stupid and ignorant to get yours then screw you is appropriate.
Screw You.
Have fun eating balogna and cheese. I prefer grilled mahi mahi with tenderloin.
I am from Georgia. Screw You.

Joe & Co. has found out that they don't have to earn it any longer, that it will be provided if the right politicians are elected.

No, we just figured out that we can't trust the plutocrats to not try to cheat us at every oppurtunity unless we have a government with one big hammer to whack them upside the head if you don't.

I figured that out after my last job, where after busting my ass for them for six years, they decided to let me go because I ran up too many medical bills.

Simply put, putting my trust in a system that rewards those who lie, cheat and steal to make an almight buck is pretty much like counting on making my living in a casino.

The House always wins.

"Mommy, the plutocrat bought his kids more than I have and more candy. Make him stop or make him give me some." Joe at age 8.

"President Obama, the plutocrats have too much lunch money and I do not like working for mine. Take it from them and give it to me"
Joe today.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JoeB is 100% right on this.

 

[JoeB131]

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"Mommy, the plutocrat bought his kids more than I have and more candy. Make him stop or make him give me some." Joe at age 8.

"President Obama, the plutocrats have too much lunch money and I do not like working for mine. Take it from them and give it to me"
Joe today.

Plutocracy is on the way out and greed is no longer cool.

The rich will pay their fair share of taxes.. Deal with it.

 

[Gadawg73]

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"Mommy, the plutocrat bought his kids more than I have and more candy. Make him stop or make him give me some." Joe at age 8.

"President Obama, the plutocrats have too much lunch money and I do not like working for mine. Take it from them and give it to me"
Joe today.

Plutocracy is on the way out and greed is no longer cool.

The rich will pay their fair share of taxes.. Deal with it.

No they won't. Only a dumb ass believes that.
The rich put their $$ in tax free investments or sit on it or leave.
You folks really believe this?
You can raise taxes all you want but to those of us that know Georgetown, Grand Cayman; Alcade Diaz, Panama and Desamparados, Costa Rica worry none.
You can not touch us.
Fools. You believe Obama!
News flash to the dumb masses"
If the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire the middle class and all others with incomes less than 250K will pay more in total dollars in tax increases than those making over 250K.
YOUR taxes are going up Joe, not mine. Obama and the Democrats ALWAYS fuck the "working man" first.
Your payroll deductions will go up immediately Joe. I have NO payroll deduction.
My taxes stay the same no matter what. SEP IRA, regular IRA and sole proprietor in one business, deferred profits from my LLC in the other business and I am sitting on the land in the 3rd company with no sales this year.

 

[JoeB131]

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"Mommy, the plutocrat bought his kids more than I have and more candy. Make him stop or make him give me some." Joe at age 8.

"President Obama, the plutocrats have too much lunch money and I do not like working for mine. Take it from them and give it to me"
Joe today.

Plutocracy is on the way out and greed is no longer cool.

The rich will pay their fair share of taxes.. Deal with it.

No they won't. Only a dumb ass believes that.
The rich put their $$ in tax free investments or sit on it or leave.
You folks really believe this?
.

If it weren't happening, you assholes wouldn't be whining like stuck pigs and subsidizing the Teabaggers to do your bidding.

The rest is a lot of blah-blah-blah. Like most cowards and bullies, you talk tough.

 

[Gadawg73]

Just finished selling the 2nd chord of fire wood today Joe.
I cut 34 sections out of a dead tree I cut down this morning and busted it all up by hand.
Hauled it with my trailer up to the road and sold it to a neighbor.
Does that make me a "working man"Joe?
I got my hands dirty.
Betcha big $$ I could work circles around you at age 58.
Sharpen the chain is $6, I used about $5 worth of fuel and oil and sold it for $200.
Took me 5 1/2 hours.
Plutocrat is still hell with a Husqvarna!

 

[JakeStarkey]

You might keep up with me at 63.