The Russia-Ukraine Conflict Can Only be Settled Through Negotiation

[Mac-7]

So are you saying that the US should still be a British colony because nothing is worth fighting for or that the US should still allow slavery because nothing is worth fighting for or the Nazis should have been allowed to rule Europe because nothing is worth fighting for or that the Communists should have been allowed to conquer the world because nothing is worth fighting for or that Putin should be allowed to ravage eastern Europe because nothing is worth fighting for?

Well said

Yes the Surrender First crowd are singing the same old song of “Better red than dead”

 

[zaangalewa]

... Negotiations are impossible until the last Ukrainian or Russian are alive. ...

Was this your own death sentence now?

 

[JohnDB]

This is like when the cow, the pig and the chicken negotiated for farmers favorite breakfast.
A western omelet.

Ingredients
6 large eggs
2 tablespoons milk
2 to 3 tablespoons unsalted butter
1/2 cup onions
1/2 cup green bell pepper
1/2 cup ham

The cow volunteered the milk and butter
The chicken volunteered the eggs
Now it was the pigs turn.

And Ukraine refuses to be the pig in your analogy. I really don't blame them.

So at the end of the day Putin is older than Zelensky....has more enemies than Zelensky....and has a more totalitarian regime.

Meaning that the Russians will need a new leader if there is going to be a successful negotiation whatsoever. Because Putin just won't....and Ukranian nationalism is not going away for decades...a lot of them. The norm already is having a STRONG community identity among the native Ukranians...but that has spread to nationalism by Zelensky's team.

Now whether the Oligarchs of Russia can agree on a new leader remains to be seen. Because I'm sure that they would like some of their toys back...to travel freely....to stop having SWIFT confiscate their bank accounts. And actually have SWIFT access once again. (Their businesses are making money but they can't get any needed cash flow) But that is not happening anytime soon either.

 

[zaangalewa]

Here's a thought, let's let Ukraine and Russia fight it out for another 20 years or so.

US-Americans have indeed not any real idea about what is war. And also not any real idea about what is peace. Do you see really in everyone in the world only wild animals while you run with weapons through your daily lifes in your own country because everywhere are wild animals who attack you?

The problem is not that we Europeans don't need you, little children and grandchildren of Europe. The problem is that you need yourselve.

 

[zaangalewa]

... According to Trump, it was just that easy.

According to Trump everything is easy. Example: "Drink disinfectants if you are infected from a micro-organism" - because disinfectants destroy the cells of your own body and this helps the micro-organisms to kill you. But who cares about? The dead do not vote.

 

[postman]

According to Trump everything is easy. Example: "Drink disinfectants if you are infected from a micro-organism" - because disinfectants destroy the cells of your own body and this helps the micro-organisms to kill you. But who cares about? The dead do not vote.

Trump claiming he could end the war in 24 hours, only gives people false hope that it's possible.

 

[postman]

Trump claimed he could bring peace to Ukraine in 24 hours.
Trump also claimed Mexico would pay for the wall
That he could repeal Obamacare and it would be so easy.
That COVID would go away by itself when the weather got warm.

A negotiated peace in Ukraine isn't possible as long as you have Putin running the show, and Putin has the Wagner group threatening to stab him in the back.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump should be sent to Russia.

 

[postman]

Trump should be sent to Russia.

Under which of his two passports?

 

[Rogue AI]

The clown in Kiev's unconditional surrender is the only negotiation NATO will understand. How many Ukrainians are left to feed the meat grinder?

 

[postman]

The clown in Kiev's unconditional surrender is the only negotiation NATO will understand. How many Ukrainians are left to feed the meat grinder?

Maybe you didn't notice, that Putin had to empty the jails, and draft hundreds of thousands to feed his war.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russia is losing.

 

[Rogue AI]

Maybe you didn't notice, that Putin had to empty the jails, and draft hundreds of thousands to feed his war.

Actually, Putin allowed Wagner to empty the jails, train convicts, get them combat experience, then conscripted said convicts after the faux coup/protest. You are will informed.

 

[Rogue AI]

Russia is losing.

Is this some hidden chapter of Sun Tzu? Give up 20% of your territory, become 100% dependent on the good will of fair weather foreigners, send your young to die in a meat grinder, only then will victory be achieved. You folks are a hoot!

 

[postman]

Is this some hidden chapter of Sun Tzu? Give up 20% of your territory, become 100% dependent on the good will of fair weather foreigners, send your young to die in a meat grinder, only then will victory be achieved. You folks are a hoot!

You forget. The original view from Moscow when the war started, and the fears of the west, was that the Russian invasion would be OVER, by the end of the week. That the Russian blitzkrieg would have so devastated Ukraine, that Zelinsky would have had no choice but to surrender.

The west was even prepared to evacuate Zelinsky from the country. Which is when he told the west.

I need ammunition, I don't need a ride.

And after that, the rest is history.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Is this some hidden chapter of Sun Tzu? Give up 20% of your territory, become 100% dependent on the good will of fair weather foreigners, send your young to die in a meat grinder, only then will victory be achieved. You folks are a hoot!

Russia has lost half of its Black Sea fleet, hundreds of thousands of casualties, the confidence of its people in Putin, and the Ukies keep on fighting.

 

[Rogue AI]

You forget. The original view from Moscow when the war started, and the fears of the west, was that the Russian invasion would be OVER, by the end of the week. That the Russian blitzkrieg would have so devastated Ukraine, that Zelinsky would have had no choice but to surrender.

The west was even prepared to evacuate Zelinsky from the country. Which is when he told the west.

I need ammunition, I don't need a ride.

And after that, the rest is history.

According to who? Certainly not Moscow. You have been fed a continuous line of bullshit from day one. The map tells a far more truthful story.

 

[Rogue AI]

Russia has lost half of its Black Sea fleet, hundreds of thousands of casualties, the confidence of its people in Putin, and the Ukies keep on fighting.

Ukrainians keep on dying, what are their numbers at? You folks act like the losses only effect one side. You are in for a rude awakening when the truth can no longer be ignored.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The truth is that the Russians will lose.

 

[Rogue AI]

The truth is that the Russians will lose.

How? Not by Ukrainian hands. Anything else leads to nuclear war. How stupid are you people? Nobody wins that conflict.