"The Slut Walk" - Where Women Try To Be Enticing and Repulsive At The Same Time

[Intense]

I view Rape as a crime of Power, Control, Sex. How a Woman dresses, is no more than an excuse for the Rapist. It is no more or less a crime because of what the Victim is wearing. Deal with it.

 

[BDBoop]

But drunkenness usually doesn't qualify the woman as being incapacitated because getting drunk was her choice.

I am NOT saying it is OK to rape a drunk woman but I am saying she is more likely to consent if she is drunk.

If she's drunk, she isn't really giving consent. I think you're clueless about date rape.

What if she gets drunk and then demands sex from you? It happens.

In my mind, this is Gary's fap-fap thread.

 

[garyganu]

Sodomy, usually. Depends on the legal definition used state by state.

Sexual assault is a common name.

But in most cases, "rape" still means sexual intercourse by force, compulsion, violence, threat, etc., or even lack of consent by virtue of age or some other incapacity.

But drunkenness usually doesn't qualify the woman as being incapacitated because getting drunk was her choice.

I am NOT saying it is OK to rape a drunk woman but I am saying she is more likely to consent if she is drunk.

If she's drunk, she isn't really giving consent. I think you're clueless about date rape. Drug-facilitated date rape is the use of drugs or alcohol to assist the attacker in a rape. The drug can be any substance that is physical or mind altering.


The typology of drug-facilitated sexual assault includes

Setting: Typology is best distinguished by the setting in which the attack takes place (e.g. Workplace Setting, Healthcare Setting or Social Setting).
Accomplices and conspiracies: There may be multiple perpetrators who conspire to commit the crime. Particularly in social settings, confirmed cases have involved male and female couple collaborators, siblings and friends.
Intrafamilial DFSA: Many intrafamilial DFSA's often go unreported. Typically there is a power differential that prevent victims from speaking out.
Male-on-male offenses: Such cases occur nearly exclusively in social or school settings. Often the crime reflects the perpetrator's conflicted feelings about private same-sex thought and desires.
Sexual deviance or sexual hunters: This group often includes those who are incompetent at finding sexual partners and those who have sexual fantasies of dominance.
Date rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you saying that every guy that ever had sex with a drunk woman is a rapist?

 

[Sky Dancer]

V. Myths About Acquaintance Rape

Myth


A woman who gets raped usually deserves it, especially if she has agreed to go to a man's house or park with him. (myth)

No one deserves to be raped. Being in a man's house or car does not mean that a woman has agreed to have sex with him. (reality)

If a woman agrees to allow a man to pay for dinner, drinks, etc., then it means she owes him sex. (myth)

Sex is not an implied payback for dinner or other expense no matter how much money has been spent. (reality)

Acquaintance rape is committed by men who are easy to identify as rapists. (myth)

Women are often raped by "normal" acquaintances who resemble "regular guys." (reality)

Women who don't fight back haven't been raped. (myth)

Rape occurs when one is forced to have sex against their will, whether they have decided to fight back or not. (reality)

Intimate kissing or certain kinds of touching mean that intercourse is inevitable. (myth)

Everyone's right to say "no" should be honored, regardless of the activity which preceded it. (reality)

Once a man reaches a certain point of arousal, sex is inevitable and they can't help forcing themselves upon a woman. (myth)

Men are capable of exercising restraint in acting upon sexual urges. (reality)

Most women lie about acquaintance rape because they have regrets after consensual sex. (myth)

Acquaintance rape really happens - to people you know, by people you know. (reality)

Women who say "No" really mean "Yes." (myth)

This notion is based on rigid and outdated sexual stereotypes. (reality)

Certain behaviors such as drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way make rape a woman's responsibility. (myth)

Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex . (reality)
Perspectives on Acquaintance Rape

 

[Intense]

V. Myths About Acquaintance Rape

Myth


A woman who gets raped usually deserves it, especially if she has agreed to go to a man's house or park with him. (myth)

No one deserves to be raped. Being in a man's house or car does not mean that a woman has agreed to have sex with him. (reality)

If a woman agrees to allow a man to pay for dinner, drinks, etc., then it means she owes him sex. (myth)

Sex is not an implied payback for dinner or other expense no matter how much money has been spent. (reality)

Acquaintance rape is committed by men who are easy to identify as rapists. (myth)

Women are often raped by "normal" acquaintances who resemble "regular guys." (reality)

Women who don't fight back haven't been raped. (myth)

Rape occurs when one is forced to have sex against their will, whether they have decided to fight back or not. (reality)

Intimate kissing or certain kinds of touching mean that intercourse is inevitable. (myth)

Everyone's right to say "no" should be honored, regardless of the activity which preceded it. (reality)

Once a man reaches a certain point of arousal, sex is inevitable and they can't help forcing themselves upon a woman. (myth)

Men are capable of exercising restraint in acting upon sexual urges. (reality)

Most women lie about acquaintance rape because they have regrets after consensual sex. (myth)

Acquaintance rape really happens - to people you know, by people you know. (reality)

Women who say "No" really mean "Yes." (myth)

This notion is based on rigid and outdated sexual stereotypes. (reality)

Certain behaviors such as drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way make rape a woman's responsibility. (myth)

Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex . (reality)
Perspectives on Acquaintance Rape

No means No. Bottom Line.

 

[garyganu]

If she's drunk, she isn't really giving consent. I think you're clueless about date rape.

What if she gets drunk and then demands sex from you? It happens.

In my mind, this is Gary's fap-fap thread.

This is the second time today that I needed to use the Urban Dictionary to decipher your comment.

You have a dirty mind.

from Urban Dictionary:
1. fap fap
an onomatopoeia for the sound of jacking off or masturbation
I was walking past my brothers room and heard porn moans and fap fap.

 

[garyganu]

V. Myths About Acquaintance Rape

Myth


A woman who gets raped usually deserves it, especially if she has agreed to go to a man's house or park with him. (myth)

No one deserves to be raped. Being in a man's house or car does not mean that a woman has agreed to have sex with him. (reality)

If a woman agrees to allow a man to pay for dinner, drinks, etc., then it means she owes him sex. (myth)

Sex is not an implied payback for dinner or other expense no matter how much money has been spent. (reality)

Acquaintance rape is committed by men who are easy to identify as rapists. (myth)

Women are often raped by "normal" acquaintances who resemble "regular guys." (reality)

Women who don't fight back haven't been raped. (myth)

Rape occurs when one is forced to have sex against their will, whether they have decided to fight back or not. (reality)

Intimate kissing or certain kinds of touching mean that intercourse is inevitable. (myth)

Everyone's right to say "no" should be honored, regardless of the activity which preceded it. (reality)

Once a man reaches a certain point of arousal, sex is inevitable and they can't help forcing themselves upon a woman. (myth)

Men are capable of exercising restraint in acting upon sexual urges. (reality)

Most women lie about acquaintance rape because they have regrets after consensual sex. (myth)

Acquaintance rape really happens - to people you know, by people you know. (reality)

Women who say "No" really mean "Yes." (myth)

This notion is based on rigid and outdated sexual stereotypes. (reality)

Certain behaviors such as drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way make rape a woman's responsibility. (myth)

Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex . (reality)
Perspectives on Acquaintance Rape

No means No. Bottom Line.

But if a woman had a few drinks, does yes mean no?

 

[Sky Dancer]

V. Myths About Acquaintance Rape

Myth


A woman who gets raped usually deserves it, especially if she has agreed to go to a man's house or park with him. (myth)

No one deserves to be raped. Being in a man's house or car does not mean that a woman has agreed to have sex with him. (reality)

If a woman agrees to allow a man to pay for dinner, drinks, etc., then it means she owes him sex. (myth)

Sex is not an implied payback for dinner or other expense no matter how much money has been spent. (reality)

Acquaintance rape is committed by men who are easy to identify as rapists. (myth)

Women are often raped by "normal" acquaintances who resemble "regular guys." (reality)

Women who don't fight back haven't been raped. (myth)

Rape occurs when one is forced to have sex against their will, whether they have decided to fight back or not. (reality)

Intimate kissing or certain kinds of touching mean that intercourse is inevitable. (myth)

Everyone's right to say "no" should be honored, regardless of the activity which preceded it. (reality)

Once a man reaches a certain point of arousal, sex is inevitable and they can't help forcing themselves upon a woman. (myth)

Men are capable of exercising restraint in acting upon sexual urges. (reality)

Most women lie about acquaintance rape because they have regrets after consensual sex. (myth)

Acquaintance rape really happens - to people you know, by people you know. (reality)

Women who say "No" really mean "Yes." (myth)

This notion is based on rigid and outdated sexual stereotypes. (reality)

Certain behaviors such as drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way make rape a woman's responsibility. (myth)

Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex . (reality)
Perspectives on Acquaintance Rape

No means No. Bottom Line.

But if a woman had a few drinks, does yes mean no?

You're clueless.

 

[garyganu]

No means No. Bottom Line.

But if a woman had a few drinks, does yes mean no?

You're clueless.

Then give me a clue. Does yes mean no if she is drunk? Or does it depend on the circumstances?

Light a candle rather than cursing the darkness.

 

[percysunshine]

'Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex .'

They always dressed hot the second, third... times we went out on the town. But that's just my opinion.

 

[garyganu]

'Drinking or dressing in a sexually appealing way are not invitations for sex .'

They always dressed hot the second, third... times we went out on the town. But that's just my opinion.

That is true sometimes but sometimes women dress to entice.

That is certainly why hookers dress in a sexually appealing way. They are definitely giving an invitation for sex.

 

[Sky Dancer]

But if a woman had a few drinks, does yes mean no?

You're clueless.

Then give me a clue. Does yes mean no if she is drunk? Or does it depend on the circumstances?

Light a candle rather than cursing the darkness.

If you don't know the difference after everyone talking to you about this and leaving your links for read, that you aren't interested in learning.

Ask yourself how you know the sex you're having is consensual.

 

[garyganu]

You're clueless.

Then give me a clue. Does yes mean no if she is drunk? Or does it depend on the circumstances?

Light a candle rather than cursing the darkness.

If you don't know the difference after everyone talking to you about this and leaving your links for read, that you aren't interested in learning.

Ask yourself how you know the sex you're having is consensual.

I know it is consensual if she willingly participates. Words are not necessary and permission is never asked. I know that she wants it when she touches my gentiles through my clothes, or starts to undo my clothes or if she takes off her clothes and becomes affectionate.. For me, those are green lights. Of course it is always possible that the light will change to yellow or red. Any decent driver obeys the signals.

One of my girlfriends used to sit on my lap and start to kiss me when she wanted it. Different girls give you different signals. Sometimes a certain look is the signal. Usually words are never used unless dirty talk is the signal.

 

[Liability]

The complaint seems to be that it is "unfair" to be held to account when a woman says "yes" but is not REALLY saying yes because she's drunk.

Simple solution.

Wait until she's sober and then seek her ok again. If she'd do you when she's sober and gives you a thumbs up WHEN she's sober, you're both good to go (assuming she is of proper age and otherwise mentally fit to give consent).

But, if she won't do you when she's sober, then a "yes" under circumstances where she's drunk is NOT actually a consent. Is it?

To REALLY simplify it: don't take advantage of an altered state of consciousness. Be a little bit of a gentleman.

 

[BDBoop]

Then give me a clue. Does yes mean no if she is drunk? Or does it depend on the circumstances?

Light a candle rather than cursing the darkness.

If you don't know the difference after everyone talking to you about this and leaving your links for read, that you aren't interested in learning.

Ask yourself how you know the sex you're having is consensual.

I know it is consensual if she willingly participates. Words are not necessary and permission is never asked. I know that she wants it when she touches my gentiles through my clothes, or starts to undo my clothes or if she takes off her clothes and becomes affectionate.. For me, those are green lights. Of course it is always possible that the light will change to yellow or red. Any decent driver obeys the signals.

One of my girlfriends used to sit on my lap and start to kiss me when she wanted it. Different girls give you different signals. Sometimes a certain look is the signal. Usually words are never used unless dirty talk is the signal.

/hysterical

//be back later

 

[Sky Dancer]

If you don't know the difference after everyone talking to you about this and leaving your links for read, that you aren't interested in learning.

Ask yourself how you know the sex you're having is consensual.

I know it is consensual if she willingly participates. Words are not necessary and permission is never asked. I know that she wants it when she touches my gentiles through my clothes, or starts to undo my clothes or if she takes off her clothes and becomes affectionate.. For me, those are green lights. Of course it is always possible that the light will change to yellow or red. Any decent driver obeys the signals.

One of my girlfriends used to sit on my lap and start to kiss me when she wanted it. Different girls give you different signals. Sometimes a certain look is the signal. Usually words are never used unless dirty talk is the signal.

/hysterical

//be back later

I get it this guy never asks.

 

[Misty]

The more women show the less shocking it becomes, which in the end will make it harder and harder for men to become aroused.

My avi perfect example. It's hardly shocking anymore is it? But I bet it was when i first put it up.

But for women, we are so much more complex, sexually, that it takes a much wider assortment of random things to excite us, therefore, we will always have better sex.

 

[catzmeow]

The more women show the less shocking it becomes, which in the end will make it harder and harder for men to become aroused.

I don't believe there's much evidence of this claim. Men are stimulated visually. Naked women are almost always going to be stimulating.

But for women, we are so much more complex, sexually, that it takes a much wider assortment of random things to excite us, therefore, we will always have better sex.

Another absurd claim.

A cross-sectional study of 31,000 U.S. females 18 and older published in 2008 in Obstetrics and Gynecology magazine, about 43 percent of women reported sexual problems.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Reprod...sex-low-libido/story?id=10428648#.T7AmA-jJiSo

 

[Liability]

The more women show the less shocking it becomes, which in the end will make it harder and harder for men to become aroused.

My avi perfect example. It's hardly shocking anymore is it? But I bet it was when i first put it up.

But for women, we are so much more complex, sexually, that it takes a much wider assortment of random things to excite us, therefore, we will always have better sex.

I see shadow.

 

[catzmeow]

FWIW, I don't consider slut walks to be a helpful tool in addressing crimes against women. Rape isn't a crime of sex, it's a crime of power and control. Dressing like a slut to protest against rape sends a confusing mixed message to society about why rape happens, and how victims should be treated.

Women aren't raped because they dress sexy, so dressing sexy to crusade against rape is counter-intuitive and unhelpful. Furthermore, sexual clothing is highly normalized in high schools, colleges, and even offices around the U.S. these days. It's hard to make the case that women are being victimized for dressing in a sexual way.

I think campaigns like "Take Back the Night" which send the message that women should not have to spend their lives being afraid of becoming a victim; and that crimes against women should be brought into the light and exposed for the ugliness that they are, send a more helpful and coherent message.

As a grown up professional woman, I think slut walks verge over into the territory of drama queening and absurdity, and they turn people off instead of sending a cohesive and thoughtful message about crimes against women. From a PR perspective, they're ridiculous.

of course, as always, YMMV.