The tax bill....and education.

[Coyote]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

 

[Kosh]

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy

Well you keep proving that you are a far left drone that does not understand anything beyond far left religious dogma.

But since there are already several threads (8 at least) on this I will say it again here.

The house passed a bill and the senate passed a similar bill and the two have to go into conference to work out all the details.

Nothing is final and any speculation is not based on any bill that is being worked on or passed as of yet!

So once again the far left proves they do not understand how the government works.

Proof the far left should never be in charge of anything!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised.

When has letting people, and businesses, keep more of their own money....not work as promised?

 

[whitehall]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

It already does. Education in this country is a dismal failure. Students would do better to forego college and learn a trade.

 

[Kosh]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

Well the unions could help supply those that they claim to represent as they can offer millions in donations to the far left. Just think if the unions actually took all that money and put into the teachers and school system that give them all their money.

Why should the government have to do it, since the tax exempt corporations (known as unions), has the money to do it?

 

[Natural Citizen]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

Exactly. Keynesianism is the name of our monetary policy system, though. Which is socialism. Except socialism for the rich and powerful. You and I get nothing but a regressive, hidden, inflation tax and an IRS bill in order to pay for the debt they monetized. Plus interest.

Look to be at about 33 trillion dollars of national debt in ten years. I don't know if we'll make it that far, though, with the dollar 98% devalued.

 

[Coyote]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

It wasn’t a stagnant economy....yet another Trumpian lie. The economy was coming out of the worst recession since the Great Depression and steadily growing. This is per economists. Freaking stop lying for a change.

And join the human race.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

This disaster of legislation reflects conservatives’ reprehensible, wrongheaded notion that the quality of one’s education – or whether one has access to education at all – should be predicated on his wealth and ability to pay.

If one cannot afford an education, then he goes without.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

Exactly. Keynesianism is the name of our monetary policy system, though. Which is socialism. Except socialism for the rich and powerful. You and I get nothing but a regressive, hidden, inflation tax and an IRS bill in order to pay for the debt they monetized.

You and I get nothing but a regressive, hidden, inflation tax and an IRS bill in order to pay for the debt they monetized.

That's horrible!!
What does the Federal Reserve do with all their ill-gotten profits?

 

[Coyote]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

Well the unions could help supply those that they claim to represent as they can offer millions in donations to the far left. Just think if the unions actually took all that money and put into the teachers and school system that give them all their money.

Why should the government have to do it, since the tax exempt corporations (known as unions), has the money to do it?

The unions have nothing to do with it. Pull yourself away from trolling and think.

Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

 

[Coyote]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

This disaster of legislation reflects conservatives’ reprehensible, wrongheaded notion that the quality of one’s education – or whether one has access to education at all – should be predicated on his wealth and ability to pay.

If one cannot afford an education, then he goes without.

It has the potential of widening the education gap so only those with enough personal wealth can go on to higher degrees with the rest stuck burgerflipping.

 

[nat4900]

Proof the far left should never be in charge of anything!

So, nitwit, if after the joint committee STILL screws education, and the orange fart signs it into law, will you THEN come on here and say we got screwed?

 

[Kosh]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

Well the unions could help supply those that they claim to represent as they can offer millions in donations to the far left. Just think if the unions actually took all that money and put into the teachers and school system that give them all their money.

Why should the government have to do it, since the tax exempt corporations (known as unions), has the money to do it?

The unions have nothing to do with it. Pull yourself away from trolling and think.

Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

Silly far left drone, unions have everything to do with it, stop your trolling and realize there are already several threads on this. This thread is about you and your ego and nothing else.

If the unions would give the money back to the community, would there even be a need to raise taxes?

Silly far left drone troll!

 

[Kosh]

Proof the far left should never be in charge of anything!

So, nitwit, if after the joint committee STILL screws education, and the orange fart signs it into law, will you THEN come on here and say we got screwed?

It is pure speculation based on far left religious dogma.

Even then the far left can not point to the part in the actual bill that says this.

So point to the part of the bill that contains this.

 

[nat4900]

It has the potential of widening the education gap so only those with enough personal wealth can go on to higher degrees with the rest stuck burgerflipping.

China is pouring in billions into both higher and post higher education, especially for R & D .......It is estimated that in a few years, our stellar universities will be beat by foreign ones.......MAKE CHINA GREAT....again.

 

[nat4900]

Silly far left drone, unions have everything to do with it, stop your trolling and realize there are already several threads on this. This thread is about you and your ego and nothing else.

If the unions would give the money back to the community, would there even be a need to raise taxes?

Silly far left drone troll!

THAT'S IT...........its ALL the unions' fault........LOL

 

[Coyote]

The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

It already does. Education in this country is a dismal failure. Students would do better to forego college and learn a trade.

So...we lose our tech and science edge? All those businesses will go to where there is a highly educated workforce.


As a side note, college isn’t for everyone, and we need to invest in trade schools and similar as well in order to equip our people for jobs but we should not cut our noses off to spite our face in the process by curtailing the ability of students to pursue the sciences, tech, medicine etc.

 

[Coyote]

Vendetta? Would democrats rather have the status quo of a Hussein stagnant economy rather than risk some teachers having to buy ...gasp...the same supplies that soccer moms have to shell out for? Democrats see everything through the eyes of incoherent borderline crazy idiots who are still angry about last year's election. Freaking grow up and join the human race.

Well the unions could help supply those that they claim to represent as they can offer millions in donations to the far left. Just think if the unions actually took all that money and put into the teachers and school system that give them all their money.

Why should the government have to do it, since the tax exempt corporations (known as unions), has the money to do it?

The unions have nothing to do with it. Pull yourself away from trolling and think.

Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

Silly far left drone, unions have everything to do with it, stop your trolling and realize there are already several threads on this. This thread is about you and your ego and nothing else.

If the unions would give the money back to the community, would there even be a need to raise taxes?

Silly far left drone troll!

Try to discuss the topic Kosh and stop trolling. I am serious.

 

[nat4900]

ANOTHER "gem" to Screw America Again.....

American higher education used to be the envy of the world, but universities in other countries are catching up. This year, for the first time in its 14-year history, the Times Higher Education ranking of international universities named two non-U.S. institutions best and second-best in the world.

Recent projections from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development suggest that China will outpace the U.S. in research and development spending in just two years. If the United States wants to keep its competitive edge, it must increase support for higher education.

The GOP’s tax plans do the exact opposite. In fact, they may upend graduate education and research altogether.

If the GOP gets its way on taxes, the party could doom post-graduate education in the U.S.