The tax bill....and education.

I do not recall you telling this to all your fellow Trump lemmings that are cheering his amazing victory. I think you really should not be calling anyone a drone unless you are looking in the mirror

So you see there you go again running the far left debunked religious dogma.

I am against the far left, that should be obvious to anyone.

So be careful when you use far left debunked narratives when you post!

What the hell are you talking about? what "left debunked religious dogma" are you accusing me of passing? You mean me pointing out there are like a dozen threads on this forum alone talking about the great "win" for Trump last night?

The OP of this thread is a perfect example of what you ask.

The law is not even in the final stages and they are saying that it will cut this and hurt that, neither parts have come together to put a tax reform plan in a final format.

Most of this speculation is based on debunked far left religious narratives not based in reality.

And since the far left does not want to participate unless they get DACA included into a tax reform bill, they have no real say on this away. Why criticize something that you do not want to take part in?

The only reason Obamacare passed was because it happened after the mid term and those that got voted out of office turn on their constituents and voted for the bill.

They have been absent on most of the bills. If it was just one or two, that would be ok and understandable. But to not take part in most things because you are upset that you are in minority, is just plain silly.

They did this under Bush as well. They think if they do nothing they will regain power. The reason why it work for the republicans is because Obamacare did hurt a lot of people. The far left still does not understand why the lost so many seats in 2010. Obama was so popular that the far left lost about 1000 all over the country. They should take that as a hint, but they do not.

Just like the OP is a falsehood as this is not a tax plan, it is tax reform.

Dude, have you been drinking? You are making zero sense here, I mean like none at all.

Yes most far left drone's see the truth as not making sense!

Just point out facts of history and pointing out the OP is a far left drone, just like your hatred of Trump has turned you into one.

So be careful when posting the debunked religious narratives like the OP

Just like when I point if unions would give back to the communities, would we need to raise taxes for schools?

Dude, you really should not post when you are drunk, it makes you look even stupider than normal, and that is saying a lot.

I asked you a simple question that had no "left" or "right" to it and you go off on an hour long tirade about the left. I mean it is funny as hell to what you implode, but I am really starting to feel sorry for you.
 
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Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

I would prefer just a plain flat tax with no deductions and be done with it. Then you literally can just do your taxes on a post card. The only reason we have all these deductions is to cater to special interest groups. Everyone should just be treated the same.

I prefer a progressive tax - because a flat tax doesn't in practice treat everyone the same.
 
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I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy

Well you keep proving that you are a far left drone that does not understand anything beyond far left religious dogma.

But since there are already several threads (8 at least) on this I will say it again here.

The house passed a bill and the senate passed a similar bill and the two have to go into conference to work out all the details.

Nothing is final and any speculation is not based on any bill that is being worked on or passed as of yet!

So once again the far left proves they do not understand how the government works.

Proof the far left should never be in charge of anything!

I do not recall you telling this to all your fellow Trump lemmings that are cheering his amazing victory. I think you really should not be calling anyone a drone unless you are looking in the mirror

So you see there you go again running the far left debunked religious dogma.

I am against the far left, that should be obvious to anyone.

So be careful when you use far left debunked narratives when you post!

What the hell are you talking about? what "left debunked religious dogma" are you accusing me of passing? You mean me pointing out there are like a dozen threads on this forum alone talking about the great "win" for Trump last night?

The OP of this thread is a perfect example of what you ask.

The law is not even in the final stages and they are saying that it will cut this and hurt that, neither parts have come together to put a tax reform plan in a final format.

Most of this speculation is based on debunked far left religious narratives not based in reality.

And since the far left does not want to participate unless they get DACA included into a tax reform bill, they have no real say on this away. Why criticize something that you do not want to take part in?

The only reason Obamacare passed was because it happened after the mid term and those that got voted out of office turn on their constituents and voted for the bill.

They have been absent on most of the bills. If it was just one or two, that would be ok and understandable. But to not take part in most things because you are upset that you are in minority, is just plain silly.

They did this under Bush as well. They think if they do nothing they will regain power. The reason why it work for the republicans is because Obamacare did hurt a lot of people. The far left still does not understand why the lost so many seats in 2010. Obama was so popular that the far left lost about 1000 all over the country. They should take that as a hint, but they do not.

Just like the OP is a falsehood as this is not a tax plan, it is tax reform.

The bill is not tax reform. It's tax cuts.
 
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The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.

It already does. Education in this country is a dismal failure. Students would do better to forego college and learn a trade.

So...we lose our tech and science edge? All those businesses will go to where there is a highly educated workforce.


As a side note, college isn’t for everyone, and we need to invest in trade schools and similar as well in order to equip our people for jobs but we should not cut our noses off to spite our face in the process by curtailing the ability of students to pursue the sciences, tech, medicine etc.

Not all students, of course.

Well presumably those wealthy enough to pay for thenmselves would not be affected. Is that a good thing?
 
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The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.
It's my money. You're not entitled to it.

This has nothing to do with your money.
 
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Education should be one of our top priorities, if not top priority, but for some reason I never hear a thing about it. Dems pretend to care, but don't, and cons don't even pretend ...Hmm ...

I care a great deal. I have a huge debt of gratitude to the teachers in my life. I do not have a higher degree but I have a great deal of respect for the value of education. It is the one great equalizer in our society.
 
Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

I would prefer just a plain flat tax with no deductions and be done with it. Then you literally can just do your taxes on a post card. The only reason we have all these deductions is to cater to special interest groups. Everyone should just be treated the same.

I prefer a progressive tax - because a flat tax doesn't in practice treat everyone the same.

You can have a flat tax that's progressive.

For example

0$ - $50k Tax rate = 0%
$50k - $100k Tax rate = 12%

And so on
 
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Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

I would prefer just a plain flat tax with no deductions and be done with it. Then you literally can just do your taxes on a post card. The only reason we have all these deductions is to cater to special interest groups. Everyone should just be treated the same.

I prefer a progressive tax - because a flat tax doesn't in practice treat everyone the same.

You can have a flat tax that's progressive.

For example

0$ - $50k Tax rate = 0%
$50k - $100k Tax rate = 12%

And so on


Maybe I'm confused then...you mean a tax with no deductions, loopholes etc?
 
The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.


You are lying. In the new bill a teacher can deduct up to $500 if she or he itemizes. Having a school teacher as a wife that is plenty for a teacher out of pocket expenses. By the way, most teachers don't itemize unless they have high family income with a working spouse..

Why should anybody subside another person's loans? It is your responsibility to pay for your college, not mine.

Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen. Start paying your own bills and stop expecting somebody to foot the bills for you. It just makes you disgusting.

Thank God for the tax bill. It will lower taxes for most people and stimulate the economy which will create millions of jobs..
 
Look Coyote the Dem's CASH COW college loan program has been raping students for decades. The cost of a 4 year degree skyrocketing far beyond its value in the market, propped up by easy government guaranteed loans to lure students into debt up to their eyeballs before their careers even begin. You people are the worst enemy of education and students. At the K-12 level corrupt politicians in collusion with teachers unions are raping local taxpayers.
 
Well you keep proving that you are a far left drone that does not understand anything beyond far left religious dogma.

But since there are already several threads (8 at least) on this I will say it again here.

The house passed a bill and the senate passed a similar bill and the two have to go into conference to work out all the details.

Nothing is final and any speculation is not based on any bill that is being worked on or passed as of yet!

So once again the far left proves they do not understand how the government works.

Proof the far left should never be in charge of anything!

I do not recall you telling this to all your fellow Trump lemmings that are cheering his amazing victory. I think you really should not be calling anyone a drone unless you are looking in the mirror

So you see there you go again running the far left debunked religious dogma.

I am against the far left, that should be obvious to anyone.

So be careful when you use far left debunked narratives when you post!

What the hell are you talking about? what "left debunked religious dogma" are you accusing me of passing? You mean me pointing out there are like a dozen threads on this forum alone talking about the great "win" for Trump last night?

The OP of this thread is a perfect example of what you ask.

The law is not even in the final stages and they are saying that it will cut this and hurt that, neither parts have come together to put a tax reform plan in a final format.

Most of this speculation is based on debunked far left religious narratives not based in reality.

And since the far left does not want to participate unless they get DACA included into a tax reform bill, they have no real say on this away. Why criticize something that you do not want to take part in?

The only reason Obamacare passed was because it happened after the mid term and those that got voted out of office turn on their constituents and voted for the bill.

They have been absent on most of the bills. If it was just one or two, that would be ok and understandable. But to not take part in most things because you are upset that you are in minority, is just plain silly.

They did this under Bush as well. They think if they do nothing they will regain power. The reason why it work for the republicans is because Obamacare did hurt a lot of people. The far left still does not understand why the lost so many seats in 2010. Obama was so popular that the far left lost about 1000 all over the country. They should take that as a hint, but they do not.

Just like the OP is a falsehood as this is not a tax plan, it is tax reform.

The bill is not tax reform. It's tax cuts.

And you prove once again that you are far left!

No it is a tax reform bill, but you pushing the debunked narrative was already know from your OP.

So if unions give back to the community do we need to raise taxes?
 
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The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.


You are lying. In the new bill a teacher can deduct up to $500 if she or he itemizes. Having a school teacher as a wife that is plenty for a teacher out of pocket expenses. By the way, most teachers don't itemize unless they have high family income with a working spouse..

Why should anybody subside another person's loans? It is your responsibility to pay for your college, not mine.

Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen. Start paying your own bills and stop expecting somebody to foot the bills for you. It just makes you disgusting.

Thank God for the tax bill. It will lower taxes for most people and stimulate the economy which will create millions of jobs..

I'm not lying.

If teachers can still deduct, then good, I was wrong.

Stop being a filthy asshole. Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen (to use your own terms).

No one is subsidizing students least of all you.

I'm sure you have your deductions intact.
 
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I do not recall you telling this to all your fellow Trump lemmings that are cheering his amazing victory. I think you really should not be calling anyone a drone unless you are looking in the mirror

So you see there you go again running the far left debunked religious dogma.

I am against the far left, that should be obvious to anyone.

So be careful when you use far left debunked narratives when you post!

What the hell are you talking about? what "left debunked religious dogma" are you accusing me of passing? You mean me pointing out there are like a dozen threads on this forum alone talking about the great "win" for Trump last night?

The OP of this thread is a perfect example of what you ask.

The law is not even in the final stages and they are saying that it will cut this and hurt that, neither parts have come together to put a tax reform plan in a final format.

Most of this speculation is based on debunked far left religious narratives not based in reality.

And since the far left does not want to participate unless they get DACA included into a tax reform bill, they have no real say on this away. Why criticize something that you do not want to take part in?

The only reason Obamacare passed was because it happened after the mid term and those that got voted out of office turn on their constituents and voted for the bill.

They have been absent on most of the bills. If it was just one or two, that would be ok and understandable. But to not take part in most things because you are upset that you are in minority, is just plain silly.

They did this under Bush as well. They think if they do nothing they will regain power. The reason why it work for the republicans is because Obamacare did hurt a lot of people. The far left still does not understand why the lost so many seats in 2010. Obama was so popular that the far left lost about 1000 all over the country. They should take that as a hint, but they do not.

Just like the OP is a falsehood as this is not a tax plan, it is tax reform.

The bill is not tax reform. It's tax cuts.

And you prove once again that you are far left!

No it is a tax reform bill, but you pushing the debunked narrative was already know from your OP.

So if unions give back to the community do we need to raise taxes?


Unions are irrelevant. They don't take money from the community.

It isn't reforming anything. It's only cutting taxes.

Should Tuition Waivers be taxed?
 
Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

I would prefer just a plain flat tax with no deductions and be done with it. Then you literally can just do your taxes on a post card. The only reason we have all these deductions is to cater to special interest groups. Everyone should just be treated the same.

I prefer a progressive tax - because a flat tax doesn't in practice treat everyone the same.

You can have a flat tax that's progressive.

For example

0$ - $50k Tax rate = 0%
$50k - $100k Tax rate = 12%

And so on


Maybe I'm confused then...you mean a tax with no deductions, loopholes etc?

You are very wrong, (just like you drones are wrong 99.9% of the time) as you were running a debunked far left narrative.

Yes there are many loopholes and exemptions that are being eliminated, but your far left religious sites will not tell you that!

However you do not bother to do any real research and just hoped on the debunked far left religous narrative train!

It is a tax reform bill!
 
The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.


You are lying. In the new bill a teacher can deduct up to $500 if she or he itemizes. Having a school teacher as a wife that is plenty for a teacher out of pocket expenses. By the way, most teachers don't itemize unless they have high family income with a working spouse..

Why should anybody subside another person's loans? It is your responsibility to pay for your college, not mine.

Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen. Start paying your own bills and stop expecting somebody to foot the bills for you. It just makes you disgusting.

Thank God for the tax bill. It will lower taxes for most people and stimulate the economy which will create millions of jobs..

I'm not lying.

If teachers can still deduct, then good, I was wrong.

Stop being a filthy asshole. Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen (to use your own terms).

No one is subsidizing students least of all you.

I'm sure you have your deductions intact.

Stop trolling and post your proof!

Silly far left drone!
 
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Is this taxing of tuition waivers good?

I would prefer just a plain flat tax with no deductions and be done with it. Then you literally can just do your taxes on a post card. The only reason we have all these deductions is to cater to special interest groups. Everyone should just be treated the same.

I prefer a progressive tax - because a flat tax doesn't in practice treat everyone the same.

You can have a flat tax that's progressive.

For example

0$ - $50k Tax rate = 0%
$50k - $100k Tax rate = 12%

And so on


Maybe I'm confused then...you mean a tax with no deductions, loopholes etc?

You are very wrong, (just like you drones are wrong 99.9% of the time) as you were running a debunked far left narrative.

Yes there are many loopholes and exemptions that are being eliminated, but your far left religious sites will not tell you that!

However you do not bother to do any real research and just hoped on the debunked far left religous narrative train!

It is a tax reform bill!

Sure LOOKS like a tax cut considering the portions that affect the middle class sunset.
 
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The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.


You are lying. In the new bill a teacher can deduct up to $500 if she or he itemizes. Having a school teacher as a wife that is plenty for a teacher out of pocket expenses. By the way, most teachers don't itemize unless they have high family income with a working spouse..

Why should anybody subside another person's loans? It is your responsibility to pay for your college, not mine.

Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen. Start paying your own bills and stop expecting somebody to foot the bills for you. It just makes you disgusting.

Thank God for the tax bill. It will lower taxes for most people and stimulate the economy which will create millions of jobs..

I'm not lying.

If teachers can still deduct, then good, I was wrong.

Stop being a filthy asshole. Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen (to use your own terms).

No one is subsidizing students least of all you.

I'm sure you have your deductions intact.

Stop trolling and post your proof!

Silly far left drone!

Proof of what troll?
 
So you see there you go again running the far left debunked religious dogma.

I am against the far left, that should be obvious to anyone.

So be careful when you use far left debunked narratives when you post!

What the hell are you talking about? what "left debunked religious dogma" are you accusing me of passing? You mean me pointing out there are like a dozen threads on this forum alone talking about the great "win" for Trump last night?

The OP of this thread is a perfect example of what you ask.

The law is not even in the final stages and they are saying that it will cut this and hurt that, neither parts have come together to put a tax reform plan in a final format.

Most of this speculation is based on debunked far left religious narratives not based in reality.

And since the far left does not want to participate unless they get DACA included into a tax reform bill, they have no real say on this away. Why criticize something that you do not want to take part in?

The only reason Obamacare passed was because it happened after the mid term and those that got voted out of office turn on their constituents and voted for the bill.

They have been absent on most of the bills. If it was just one or two, that would be ok and understandable. But to not take part in most things because you are upset that you are in minority, is just plain silly.

They did this under Bush as well. They think if they do nothing they will regain power. The reason why it work for the republicans is because Obamacare did hurt a lot of people. The far left still does not understand why the lost so many seats in 2010. Obama was so popular that the far left lost about 1000 all over the country. They should take that as a hint, but they do not.

Just like the OP is a falsehood as this is not a tax plan, it is tax reform.

The bill is not tax reform. It's tax cuts.

And you prove once again that you are far left!

No it is a tax reform bill, but you pushing the debunked narrative was already know from your OP.

So if unions give back to the community do we need to raise taxes?


Unions are irrelevant. They don't take money from the community.

It isn't reforming anything. It's only cutting taxes.

Should Tuition Waivers be taxed?

See how the far left just our right lies?

I mean you can not seriously make this stuff up!

Unions for teachers get their money from the tax payers in the community, you seriously want to run with that narrative far left drone?
 
The bill is based on An economic theory that has never worked as promised. It’s like communism...looks good theory but sucks in reality.

More to the point though...consider this. Jobs.

More to the point, the kind of jobs we want to attract...that we hope these investors will theoretically bring with their massive cuts.

Jobs that require education, in particular higher education. Cutting edge high tech, sciences, medicine...jobs that pay well and make us national leaders.

But what is in the bill? A Republican inspired wet dream of educational vendettas. Teachers can no longer claim tax breaks for supplies they buy. Students can no longer deduct student loan interest. And the most mean spirited, taxing tuition waivers.

Tuition waivers are designed to attract and help fund quality students on higher degrees (MA, MS, PHD)They cover some of the cost of tuition reducing the need for loans. Students work and receive a small stipend as income. That along with loans pays for fees, books and other non covered costs as well as rent and living expenses. The stipend is taxed. The tuition waiver is a grant they never see as income.

In more expensive institutions, tuition alone can be as much as $50,000 per term and the associated stipend around $ 30,000. This means those students are going to have to pay tax on 80,000 worth of income while living on a far smaller stipend. State U’s cost less. The one I work for is 12,000 to 17,000 per semester for tuition. Stipends are correspondingly lower, around 14,600 for a doctoral, less for a masters. Do the math, many students are not going to be able to pay this.

So what is going to happen? A less qualified American work force losing out to foreign workers? Or, more likely are we just going to see a proliferation of low skill low pay jobs in the service sector? We don’t need more of those and you already look down your nose at those workers.

What is our workforce going to look like and where will we be in terms of scientific invitation?

This is not surprising to find in the bill...it’s a reflection of an ongoing right wing attack on higher education. Students aren’t like wealthy donors, their political clout is relatively small. But they are our country’s future. They become wealthy donors. THEY will be the ones facing the massive deficit and they will be the ones paying for our care down the road. Kind of sounds like we are fucking them over in this bill.

I do not want that future to mirror idiocracy.


You are lying. In the new bill a teacher can deduct up to $500 if she or he itemizes. Having a school teacher as a wife that is plenty for a teacher out of pocket expenses. By the way, most teachers don't itemize unless they have high family income with a working spouse..

Why should anybody subside another person's loans? It is your responsibility to pay for your college, not mine.

Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen. Start paying your own bills and stop expecting somebody to foot the bills for you. It just makes you disgusting.

Thank God for the tax bill. It will lower taxes for most people and stimulate the economy which will create millions of jobs..

I'm not lying.

If teachers can still deduct, then good, I was wrong.

Stop being a filthy asshole. Stop being a filthy ass welfare queen (to use your own terms).

No one is subsidizing students least of all you.

I'm sure you have your deductions intact.

Stop trolling and post your proof!

Silly far left drone!

Proof of what troll?

Proof of your comments on this thread far left drone troll!

Come on post your proof, otherwise you are just trolling like you always do!
 
Kosh, what are you talking about? You make shit up all the time. That's pretty much all you do.
 

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