The Texas lawsuit and the possible end of our republic.

[meaner gene]

The unconstitutional part is where they committed massive voter fraud, making that date irrelevant.

The problem is no massive fraud, or even mini-fraud, has been proven in any court in the land.

The Supreme court can not assume facts not in evidence.

 

[Billiejeens]

I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.

So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.

I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.

Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.

Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.

No chance

This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.

Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.

Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -

I bet they would care if the tables were turned.

The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults

Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.

What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?

we call them Hillary Clinton

You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?

Never happened

 

[meaner gene]

You are the one who can't do logic.
You claimed that A was a subset of B
But B is a non-divisable group with only a single member.

Afterward you claimed that B did not equal A.

WRONG

What is 'A' and what is 'B?'

They represent asymptomatic and immune.

 

[Circe]

all it takes is for one [justice] to crack under the pressure and join turncoat Roberts and the 3 stooges on the left

but they have not done so yet

They probably have to by Sunday --- since the Electoral College vote is Monday. At least they have to postpone the EC vote. That is, unless they issue a one-sentence refusal to hear the case, as they did with the Pennsylvania case that was similar but independent.

Speaking of who might crack: Neil Gorsuch, of course. He wrote in favor of trannies being included in the civil rights laws, incredibly. If he can't be trusted with protecting companies against real crazies, he can't be trusted at all. If it's a close vote, he'll be the one to cross over to the Dark Side.

 

[SC Patriot]

That is where I think you are wrong. The state legislators did NOT give the governors emergency power to change the laws. That is something that requires a vote and I believe in most, if not all states, changing a law requires 60%.
But maybe I am wrong....and lets see if SCOTUS takes it on.

Legislatures know that emergencies happen, whether it's an earthquake in california or a hurricane in florida. They legislate to their executive, emergency powers well in advance of an actual emergency. And not until an actual emergency are they triggered.

It's like (this shows my age) when you gave your kid a credit card or a cell phone to be used in case of emergency.

And the immediate emergency that began 10 months ahead of the election was...well....an immediate emergency? I mean....heck....."emergency measures" were being discussed in June. Sorry, but whereas this was an unusual time, there was no reason for any legislative body to not have plenty of time to legislate the situation.

 

[rightwinger]

The founders created a republic. The traitors to the republic are working to pervert the Republic into a democracy that they can control through manipulation.

I love this line.

What exactly do you mean by people are trying to turn the Republic into a Democracy?

We have states. All with their own laws....but all governed by federal law. In a way, we are 50 small "countries" with our own constitutions, but governed by an agreed upon guideline....the national/federal constitution.
If we went in the direction of being a democracy, no state will have decision making. Only the federal government can set laws.

Now, that may seem like a reasonable direction to go. But is it?

Should the federal law say "you are allowed to own a herd cows" to accomodate Texas....but then people in NYC have the right to own a herd of cows as well becuase it is the law of the land? How will than pan out. Imagine the guy on the 5th floor of a walk up in NYC owning 20 cattle.

Sure, as a democracy, laws can be set to accommodate certain areas....but is that fair?

That is why us being a republic is a good thing.....and it works.

Each state gets to set their own rules on voting. Early voting, absentee voting, hours
As long as they don’t allow 16 year olds to vote or allow multiple votes it is none of anyone else’s business.
Texas is batshit crazy to think they can tell other states how to vote

 

[rightwinger]

all it takes is for one [justice] to crack under the pressure and join turncoat Roberts and the 3 stooges on the left

but they have not done so yet

They probably have to by Sunday --- since the Electoral College vote is Monday. At least they have to postpone the EC vote. That is, unless they issue a one-sentence refusal to hear the case, as they did with the Pennsylvania case that was similar but independent.

Speaking of who might crack: Neil Gorsuch, of course. He wrote in favor of trannies being included in the civil rights laws, incredibly. If he can't be trusted with protecting companies against real crazies, he can't be trusted at all. If it's a close vote, he'll be the one to cross over to the Dark Side.

The Constitution is clear on when the Electoral Vote is held.
It is not up for discussion

 

[AntonToo]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

 

[rightwinger]

So Biden is inaugurated and within a year we have Harris.
Be careful for what you wish for.

I won't wish death on anyone ... maybe a medical condition that causes Quid Pro Joe to resign? ... I'm ready for a more foofy America ...

I was not referring to death by any means. I am referring to the 25th that Pelosi amended.

How did Pelosi amend the Constitution?

 

[SC Patriot]

The founders created a republic. The traitors to the republic are working to pervert the Republic into a democracy that they can control through manipulation.

I love this line.

What exactly do you mean by people are trying to turn the Republic into a Democracy?

We have states. All with their own laws....but all governed by federal law. In a way, we are 50 small "countries" with our own constitutions, but governed by an agreed upon guideline....the national/federal constitution.
If we went in the direction of being a democracy, no state will have decision making. Only the federal government can set laws.

Now, that may seem like a reasonable direction to go. But is it?

Should the federal law say "you are allowed to own a herd cows" to accomodate Texas....but then people in NYC have the right to own a herd of cows as well becuase it is the law of the land? How will than pan out. Imagine the guy on the 5th floor of a walk up in NYC owning 20 cattle.

Sure, as a democracy, laws can be set to accommodate certain areas....but is that fair?

That is why us being a republic is a good thing.....and it works.

Each state gets to set their own rules on voting. Early voting, absentee voting, hours
As long as they don’t allow 16 year olds to vote or allow multiple votes it is none of anyone else’s business.
Texas is batshit crazy to think they can tell other states how to vote

As long as it adheres to the states constitution. And that is the argument at hand. We are a republic. as it pertains to federal elections, all states are beholden to laws each state has on the books. If one state strays from those laws due to an overzealous governor, then their EV's offset the EV's of a state that adheres to their laws that were voted on and adapted by the legislators of that state who were voted in by their constituents.
As complicated as that sounds...it really isnt.

 

[SC Patriot]

So Biden is inaugurated and within a year we have Harris.
Be careful for what you wish for.

I won't wish death on anyone ... maybe a medical condition that causes Quid Pro Joe to resign? ... I'm ready for a more foofy America ...

I was not referring to death by any means. I am referring to the 25th that Pelosi amended.

How did Pelosi amend the Constitution?

Poor wording. My bad. She proposed an amendment of the 25th.......I am sure you are aware of it. Remember? When Trump got COVID?

 

[rightwinger]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

How have Conservatives turned into such nut jobs?

They seem to think the fate of the nation depends on Trump being re-elected

We the People decided otherwise

 

[SC Patriot]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

How have Conservatives turned into such nut jobs?

They seem to think the fate of the nation depends on Trump being re-elected

We the People decided otherwise

Actually, 75 million think otherwise. So yes, a majority of the people decided, but an unusually large minority think otherwise. That does not make us nut jobs. It makes a a large minority. Are you saying half the electorate are nut jobs?

 

[Billiejeens]

I must have hit a nerve. All the usual suspects came stampeding out of the barn like it was on fire.

Yeah, you’ll forgive us if after these allegations have been slapped down in literally dozens of lawsuits that we are getting a little sick of this shit.

What the Texas lawsuit states happened
Did happen, that is not in dispute
Will the court, follow the law.

Never know with courts and juries.

They state a lot of things “might” have happened and that “might” somehow is sufficient reason to rewrite election law or trash the constitutional rights of people who voted in our Republic.

Nope

You should have read the lawsuit. Don't blame me for your ignorance.

My guess is you didnt.
I know exactly what the suit is about.
Do you?
18 States feel their citizens votes were offset by the votes of 4 states where the legislative body of those states did not change the law. Instead the governors and the courts of that state allowed for the change of the law.
That is unconstitutional and truth is, will set a really bad precedent for our future.
A governor is responsible to enforce state law. A court is responsible to ensure the law is constitutional. Neither body has the right to change the law. Only lawmakers have that right.

Curious....there is a 6-3 right leaning SCOTUS.....more likely 5-4 seeing as Roberts is more in the middle leaning left.

Would you be OK with that court changing laws?

I wouldn't be...even though I am a conservative.

Honestly, the suit is about a great many things. Paxton didn't really engage in any editing, preferring instead to throw the spaghetti at the wall.

In a lot of instances of this supposed unconstitutional change, they're flatly wrong. In a lot of instances, the law was silent about certain procedures or policies and that therefore goes to the state's executive to implement laws with their discretion in such ambiguity. In other instances, the state's laws were determined to be unconstitutional and the courts ruled that the election law had to be changed as a result. In other instances, the governor used delegated authorities by emergency powers to alter state regulations in the setting of a pandemic.

Other states did this too, such as Texas, however they're not asking to have the courts take away their electoral votes because they voted for Trump. No, only four states who voted for Biden are being targeted.

This isn't about constitutionality and principle, it's about virtue signaling to Trump supporters. If it were about principle, there would be a lot more states named in the lawsuit.

If you are against the court's changing laws, then you should know that this VERY lawsuit is asking the SCOTUS to change the laws. So much for consistency.

well said, but I believe you may be wrong. It seems to me that this suit is not asking SCOTUS to change laws. It is asking them to interpret law. One can apply an executive order. But not if it is in direct conflict of written law. Does it apply here? I dont know. Neither do you. Based on your post, you are obviously intelligent. I believe I am as well...(although my wife calls me a dumbass but I regress).. But do either of us know constitutional law as the justices do? I doubt it. Let them decide. It may not be a valid suit. I really dont know. But with my limited knowledge of constitutional law, I believe it is worthy of consideration. My biggest concern is what kind of precedent will be set if the SCOTUS allows governors to "change" law. That can be very scary for all of us.

If you read the lawsuit, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that the lawsuit is asking SCOTUS to delay the meeting of the electors which is currently set for Monday and which was determined by Congress as stipulated in the Constitution.

There's a process for challenging executive orders, and in some cases, that process occurred. Waiting until after the votes have cast to cry foul is not okay with me.

If they are going to delay the electors and the electors are set to meet Monday, the court better rule on this today. Today is Friday.

I don't see any thing coming from the court that will stop the electors from meeting and voting on Monday.

Do any of the right wing ever read documents?

It's Friday -
SofaKing stupid

 

[AntonToo]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

How have Conservatives turned into such nut jobs?

They seem to think the fate of the nation depends on Trump being re-elected

We the People decided otherwise

Actually, 75 million think otherwise. So yes, a majority of the people decided, but an unusually large minority think otherwise. That does not make us nut jobs. It makes a a large minority. Are you saying half the electorate are nut jobs?

75 million think America is over because their guy didn't win?

NO.

 

[rightwinger]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

And tell us how we are to verify that when you people have succeeded in doing away with signature verification, resisting cleaning up voter roles, and then kick out observers, and arrive with truck loads of pristine unfolded ballots with one vote each for Biden and that's it....?

Nah, you are not to be trusted, or given any creedence at all...

Now you are just making shit up
No need to respond

 

[Billiejeens]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

How have Conservatives turned into such nut jobs?

They seem to think the fate of the nation depends on Trump being re-elected

We the People decided otherwise

Actually, 75 million think otherwise. So yes, a majority of the people decided, but an unusually large minority think otherwise. That does not make us nut jobs. It makes a a large minority. Are you saying half the electorate are nut jobs?

We are the majority by far
which will come in handy, if this moves to the next phase.

 

[Toro]

We are the majority by far
which will come in handy, if this moves to the next phase.

The next phase is you people curling up in a ball and babbling incoherently.

 

[Billiejeens]

bump

 

[SC Patriot]

If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist

No it won't mr.Nutter-butter.

How have Conservatives turned into such nut jobs?

They seem to think the fate of the nation depends on Trump being re-elected

We the People decided otherwise

Actually, 75 million think otherwise. So yes, a majority of the people decided, but an unusually large minority think otherwise. That does not make us nut jobs. It makes a a large minority. Are you saying half the electorate are nut jobs?

75 million think America is over because their guy didn't win?

NO.

I sure as hell dont. I will be long dead before our values are eliminated no matter who wins.
I am a bit concerned about Harris taking over with both houses. But thank God for Manchin.