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I'm looking for a cool religion. Are there any hot broads in the LDS? Or are they all wearing granny dresses down to their ankles with big doofus bonnets?
I also hear that Warren Jeffs is the second coming of John Smith, is that true?
You know, it helps if you educated yourself just alittle. You wouldn't look as much like an ignorant troll if you just researched alittle.
Why do you think that I'm asking questions?
I'm looking for a religion with eternal life, and well, ya, hot broads because I don't want to spend the rest of eternity with my ex-wife.
Good point. Your thread has gotten A LOT of traffic. Bravo.Waht about Romney?
People don't vote for people who look like Jesus.. They vote to crucify those guys.
baptism for the dead is a useless practice. Once you are dead you are dead. Every chance for salvation comes in this life on earth. If a church is teaching anything else it is blasphemy. Jesus said not to add to or take away from the words in the bible.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. (1 Cor 15:19)
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:19-20)
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Peter 4:6)
Why do you think that I'm asking questions?
I'm looking for a religion with eternal life, and well, ya, hot broads because I don't want to spend the rest of eternity with my ex-wife.
Your reputation preceeds you.
Just tell me this: if I went to a Mormon church service, and I look around, would i go " Whoa! She's Hot!" ?
Waht about Romney?
Good point. Your thread has gotten A LOT of traffic. Bravo.Waht about Romney?
People don't vote for people who look like Jesus.. They vote to crucify those guys.
The second day of Jeffs' sentencing hearing later ended with a woman, now 28, tearfully alleging that Jeffs also sexually abused her as a young girl. Charges were never filed in that alleged incident. Three jurors cried during the woman's testimony, and state District Judge Barbara Walthers adjourned court until Monday. The same jury convicted Jeffs on Thursday on charges of sexually assaulting two underage girls he had taken as brides in Texas. He faces up to life in prison, and jurors are likely to decide his punishment early next week. For the second straight day, Jeffs wasn't in court. He walked out in protest Friday and has continued boycotting the proceedings, choosing instead to remain in another room of the courthouse.
Jeffs, 55, is the ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. More than 10,000 followers consider him God's spokesman on Earth. One of them was Ezra Draper, who testified that FLDS men began taking brides younger and younger after Jeffs took over the polygamous group in 2002. "You could see which girls were with which fellas. It would repeat itself week after week," said Draper, who left the church in 2003. "Then they were with child."
Prosecutors have tried showing in the sentencing phase that Jeffs ruled the FLDS with a far heavier and crueler hand than his father, who Jeffs succeeded. Draper testified that while Rulon Jeffs allowed fun activities such as parades and dances, his son abruptly put a stop to it in the community. Draper said Jeffs threw out copies of Sports Illustrated and Car and Driver found in the boys' bedrooms. Books that featured talking animals were banned because Jeffs considered it teaching lies. Even the color red became prohibited, Draper said.
Jeffs also kept meticulous records as jurors found out during the conviction phase of the trial. One of the most uncomfortable pieces of evidence so far has been an audiotape of what prosecutors said was Jeffs sexually assaulting one of his victims when she was 12. On Saturday, prosecutors again dipped into a trove of Jeffs' records seized from a 2008 police raid on a remote FLDS ranch in West Texas. This time it was lengthy instructions on building a bed in the all-white, top-floor room in the ranch's temple. The instructions allegedly written by Jeffs were exact: 5-inch thick table legs, and padded sides on the bed while "the Lord does his work with me."
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My problem with Mormonism compared to other religions is that other religions are merely based on superstition.
Mormonism is based on outright fraud. There is no doubt that Joseph Smith was making it all up, for the express purpose of gaining power, money and teenage girls to have sex with.
that's what makes it contemptable.
My problem with Mormonism compared to other religions is that other religions are merely based on superstition.
Mormonism is based on outright fraud. There is no doubt that Joseph Smith was making it all up, for the express purpose of gaining power, money and teenage girls to have sex with.
that's what makes it contemptable.
Which, of course, is why he died penniless and that there is no evidence that he had sex with anyone other than his wife.
My problem with Mormonism compared to other religions is that other religions are merely based on superstition.
Mormonism is based on outright fraud. There is no doubt that Joseph Smith was making it all up, for the express purpose of gaining power, money and teenage girls to have sex with.
that's what makes it contemptable.
Which, of course, is why he died penniless and that there is no evidence that he had sex with anyone other than his wife.
You mean other than those 35 women he married?
Yeah, he died penniless, after a lifetime of pulling one scam after another, and getting chased out of four states for his bad behavior before they shot him like a dog.
Today we know he was lying. We know he was making it up about golden tablets. We know that the Kinderhook plates he claimed were proof of the Nehites were fakes, we know the papyrus scrolls he claimed were the book of Abraham were a Ptomoleic funeral scroll.
In short, we know he was a con man. So why do we treat Mormonism seriously?
You mean other than those 35 women he married? ?
Yeah, he died penniless, after a lifetime of pulling one scam after another, and getting chased out of four states for his bad behavior before they shot him like a dog.
Today we know he was lying. We know he was making it up about golden tablets.
We know that the Kinderhook plates he claimed were proof of the Nehites were fakes,
we know the papyrus scrolls he claimed were the book of Abraham were a Ptomoleic funeral scroll.
In short, we know he was a con man. So why do we treat Mormonism seriously
James Leach was an Englishman who had come to Nauvoo with his convert sister and her husband, Agnes and Henry Nightingale. After looking for work without success, James and Henry determined to ask the Prophet for help. James recalled:
We found [the Prophet] in a little store selling a lady some goods. This was the first time I had had an opportunity to be near him and get a good look at him. I felt there was a superior spirit in him. He was different to anyone I had ever met before; and I said in my heart, he is truly a Prophet of the most high God.
As I was not a member of the Church I wanted Henry to ask him for work, but he did not do so, so I had to. I said, Mr. Smith, if you please, have you any employment you could give us both, so we can get some provisions? He viewed us with a cheerful countenance, and with such a feeling of kindness, said, Well, boys, what can you do? We told him what our employment was before we left our native land.
Said he, Can you make a ditch? I replied we would do the best we could at it. Thats right, boys, and picking up a tape line, he said, Come along with me.
He took us a few rods from the store, gave me the ring to hold, and stretched all the tape from the reel and marked a line for us to work by. Now, boys, said he, can you make a ditch three feet wide and two and a half feet deep along this line?
We said we would do our best, and he left us. We went to work, and when it was finished I went and told him it was done. He came and looked at it and said, Boys, if I had done it myself it could not have been done better. Now come with me.
He led the way back to his store, and told us to pick the best ham or piece of pork for ourselves. Being rather bashful, I said we would rather he would give us some. So he picked two of the largest and best pieces of meat and a sack of flour for each of us, and asked us if that would do. We told him we would be willing to do more work for it, but he said, If you are satisfied, boys, I am.
We thanked him kindly, and went on our way home rejoicing in the kindheartedness of the Prophet of our God.
James Leach was baptized that same year and recorded that he often had the privilege of seeing [the Prophets] noble face lit up by the Spirit and power of God.
Every major historian at BYU and out agree that JS had sex with his wives.
No LDS general authority will deny that JS had sex with his wives.
Any other suggestion or belief to the contrary is flatly contradicted by the church's history and the facts.
Every major historian at BYU and out agree that JS had sex with his wives.
No LDS general authority will deny that JS had sex with his wives.
Any other suggestion or belief to the contrary is flatly contradicted by the church's history and the facts.
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There may be no doubt in your mind but he obviously caused reasonable doubt for every charge brought against him in a court of law, which is why he was acquitted of the very things you've accused him of. No less in states that were unfavorable. Even rigged judges and juries couldn't convict him, try as they could.
By the way, Jesus was convicted in a kangaroo court as well so does that make him guilty?
Who is the "we" you are referring to that knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Smith was such the con man you've claimed? Your particular movement? I'd like to know. Your speculations are highly irresponsible and insult your intelligence even more than you've insulted mine.
Also, a person isn't a bad person simply because they were/are a polygamist. There is a culture of fine people that needs to be understood as opposed to predators who use it to take advantage of the ignorant and young.
There are polygamists today all around the world who are not demons but good people who take care of their families and love them... It's too bad that the Warren Jeffs of the world make them look terrible. You must understand the difference between a Jeffs and a Smith or an Abraham or Moses.
[Most of those women he married were only sealed to him after this life. Many of those sealings took place after his death. He only ever lived with one wife. He only had children with one wife. There is absolutely no evidence that he slept with anyone other than Emma.
That, of course, is a bit of a side issue though. Practicing poylgamy is not evidence of fraud.
He was chased from state to state and murdered in cold blood because he had the audacity to testify that He had seen the risen Lord. He had been found innocent of crimes again and again.
Oh really? And were the 12 other witnesses lying too? And tell me, what exactly was their motivation to reaffirm their testimonies as they did after they had their falling out with Joseph? Take Oliver Cowdery for instance. He had a falling out with Joseph, was excommunicated. Was involved in politics and lost because he was unwilling to deny that He saw the plates or the angel. He later came back to the Church after Joseph's death. Does that sound like he was lying? Or Martin Harris. He financed the first printing of the Book of Mormon. He too at a falling out. Was excommunicated from the Church. Continued to reaffirm his testimony and eventually came back to the Church.
Or David Whitmer. He was excommunicated and He one that never came back to the Church, but he made it a point to do an interview when he was older reaffirming that He saw the plates and the Angel. He also reaffirmed that Oliver died reaffirming his testimony of the Book of Mormon.
The biggest problem you have with your assertion though is the Book of Mormon itself. We have the Book of Mormon. We can hold it in our hands. We can read it's words. We can study and pray over it. We can learn from the Holy Spirit whether it's true or not. And I can tell you that I know by the Power of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true.
You can find out for yourself as well if you read and pray over it.
Only problem there is Joseph claimed no such thing. In fact, he showed no interest in the Kinderhook plates whatsoever. Contrast how he reacted with the Book of Abraham where he went out of his way to make sure he purchased it.
Unfortunately, most of the papyra was destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire. So while we have retained some which are funeral scrolls, we don't have the complete collection Joseph had so to claim there is no Book of Abraham among the scrolls is inaccurate.
And considering what we've learned about Abraham through recent discoveries Joseph nailed quite a few things he shouldn't have.
n short, your summary is inaccurate, laced with unsustainable assertions.
Mormonism is treated seriously because the doctrines cannot be contended with. That is of course why you are trying to discredit Joseph is it not? The problem is showing that he was a flawed human being doesn't discredit the message. Was he flawed? yes as every human is. Is he guilty of what he is usually accused of, for the most part no..
