Truthspeaker
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Ok I'll add mutants to the list of insults which include a curious mix:As long as you mutants are trying to impose your stupidity on the rest of us, I feel just fine mocking you.
Crazy, deluded, imposters, deceivers, brainwashed, pedophiles and now mutants. Tell me, if you're crazy and deluded, how can you be intelligent enough to deceive educated and intelligent people like doctors and lawyers hundreds of years after you're born that what you're saying is true? Especially if you're a mutant pedophile? That Joseph Smith was an impossibly brilliant con-man or He really was a prophet of God. Again, if you Joe, are the opposite of all the insults you've hurled at Smith and the rest of us, why would you waste your time talking to such crazy people? Hmm.. cuz you just can't help fighting against the truth. You and I both know these words will haunt you the rest of your life despite your snide remarks in response. I feel sorry for you genuinely and it's a sad story that people like you can get to the point you're at. It's just too bad. I refuse from this point to jab or make fun of you in any way. I'm simply going to relay the words of God to you because there is nothing else that can help you.
I forgot to add prudes to the list. I have no interest in your sexual life but I can tell that pornography has contributed to your spiritual desensitzation. You may do as you wish, of course. That is God's way, to let you make your own choices. The Devil's way is to force people to do things. Satan's rules are far more restrictive than God's if you really think about it in an eternal perspective. But again you believe that this is it when you die so we can't agree there. I'm 100% certain life continues after your body dies. 100%.Not really. Not that there is anything wrong with it. Only prudes get upset, usually because they are insecure about their own sexuality.
And guess what... sexuality is as much a part of the next life as it is here. Why shouldn't it be? There's nothing to be ashamed of? God created sex and set the boundaries for it's use so that we could enjoy it to the fullest. Quite secure indeed.
You may lie to yourself as much as you like. But if you are saying that you have no questions then you are saying you have all knowledge and you are a regular original know it all. We'll never get anywhere if you think that about yourself. Death is nothing to be afraid of.. it's just the next phase of life. Since I know that, all fear of the unknown is wiped away. So sad that you don't know that.Life doesn't have questions. You live, you die. That's pretty much it. That you live in fear of death to where you subscribe to whatever batshit crazy nonsense comes up just shows your own fear. I'd rather enjoy the time I have, as long as what I do doesn't hurt anyone.
You also don't know that that selfish attitude does directly hurt people as a whole society. Because you don't seek to help others and only yourself. Again... Sad.
As I said before. Joseph didn't have the Urim and Thummim with him. So he could have made errors on his own in interpreting something of his own. When someone presents such a convincing fake it takes a while to figure out that you've been duped. Being fooled isn't a sin. It happens to the best of us. Prophet's aren't infallible. Case in point, the Book of Mormon is obviously true. The evidences spiritually and physically are mountainous. These he claimed to have translated by the power of God. Which he obviously did. So whatever happens with the Kinderhook Plates doesn't matter and there will be more research and explanation done in the future. But since the Book of Mormon is a solid rock of offense to skeptics, That remains the foundation of our argument, not the Kinderhook Plates. By the way he never claimed he was fluent in ancient languages. He claimed he did not understand them. He was a farm boy in the 1800s. How could he be? It was all through the power of God. He didn't use the same method to interpret the Kinderhook Plates. He should have consulted God first but he didn't.But there were no words. His neighbors just carved some symbols of a language they didn't understand on some bronze plates. If he was even marginally fluent in "Reformed Egyptian" like he claimed he was, he'd know he was looking at gibberish.
Or maybe he was making all the stuff up. I mean, we can go on all day about all the stuff he got wrong, all the places he failed as a prophet, like his claim that there were people living on the moon dressed like Quakers.
You could always go on and on and I'll go on and on with you until you are outlasted. I love it but you'll eventually get tired of it because we have nothing to hide. You can always say he made it up. that's the easy way out rather than hard research coupled with prayer. As far as the moon weirdness, that was an excited young girl who grossly imagined something out of what Joseph said. He never said what you're accusing him of.
First of all a scholar is a scholar and you're wrong in assuming that only Mormon Scholars have accepted evidence of the Book of Mormon fact. I've already laid out pages upon pages of evidence on this thread which I'm sure you aren't interested in reading but they're there. "No evidence" is extremely irresponsible on your part to say the least.And you Mormon Apologists do all sorts of handstands about why smith got that wrong or how he never said what people attributed to him or whatever. Or how the Nephite Civilization could have been what the Roman Civilization was in the Americas, and yet didn't leave ONE shred of Archeological evidence accepted by a non-Mormon Scholar.
Salamander letter? ok just for fun only, because that can't be taken seriously. Now that's what you call a hoax.Heck, do I need to throw in the Salamander Letter just for fun?
Usually, not always. but God is a complicated God. He's always been around so he surely does things differently than the rest of us.But applying Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Unlike those fiends you've mentioned, He knew what he was saying was true and he never asked his followers to kill themselves either. Well I don't know enough about Hubbard to call him a fiend so I'll just retract that label from him. I know he started Scientology right? But with regard to Smith. You could hardly call him 2 bit even if he was really hustling people. He wrote things, he held sermons, he was persecuted, he set up an entire infrastructure an led a faith of many thousands which has grown in to many millions of people who donate of their time and money to help the poor and suffering as well as practice their religion.The simplest explanation is that he was a two-bit hustler who made up a religion, and like Koresh and Jones and Hubbard and all the other hucksters who made up religions, started believing his own bullshit.
Koresh and Jones were true criminals who operated on a small scale. Your research is severely lacking. Major fail on the comparison. and it's impossible to believe something you know to be a lie. You may still live by those principals but you always know it's untrue. So either you are one of 3 things. A liar, committed to living the lie, deluded and committed to living that life because you think it's true, false as it may be or..... A true prophet of God.
Joseph Smith was obviously, to the true researcher, a true prophet of God.
You're still wrong. The outlawing of polygamy wasn't until the 1890s in the USA. That's why it wasn't illegal. You either just lied or didn't do your research. Which is it?In the State of IL, it was illegal in 1844. And honestly, 19th century people were creeped out by Smith, too. That's why the KILLED HIM.
Well, of course, Hitler believed his own BS. If he didn't, he certainly wouldn't have gone as far as he did. A cynic never would have murdered millions of people in God's name if he didn't think God wanted them dead.
that goes to show your epic ignorance. Killers kill because they want to achieve a goal, or for the pure pleasure of it. Hitler was a goal oriented killer. He knew the commandment in bold writing in the Bible "thou shalt not kill"... You think he never read that passage. gimme a break...
Using God is the best way to get the populous on your side. Please come stronger than that. You absolutlely know that, being a staunch agnostic. Hitler's goal was to rule the world. The best way to do that is to get the people on your side and crush any resistance quickly.
I heard someone mention this before but they still failed to show me the scripture ordering the death of babies. Please enlighten me. Wow, by 10 years old huh? Your conceipt knows no bounds. So you're so smart that by age 10 you were running intellectual circles around the rest of us peons and sheople. wow. you're just... so smart... you were probably walking by 2 months and talking by 6 too right? Shouldn't you be a pro athlete and a rocket scientist by now smartypants?Where do I even start. (Hey, check out my "How I became an agnostic thread", that's a good place to start. I figured this BS out when I was 10.) This is a God who murders babies. Babies.
You know-it-alls are a real piece of work.
God does have his reasons. They are often time specific and for a purpose. You'll notice how the command for killing those people hasn't been in effect for over 2000 years. The command is to invite all to come to God and invite all to be cleansed of sin through the atonement of Christ. Yes, God makes the rules.. He's God and if you don't want to follow him then that's just you being unwilling to follow anyone else's tune but your own. You're so wrapped up in yourself. You are probably your own favorite person I bet.Your reasoning is circular. It's okay for God to kill because he's God, but God can tell you not to kill, unless of course, it's one of the times he tells you it's okay to kill, like killing gays or adulterers or people who don't believe what you believe. Then it's okay.