The Truth about Mormons

[Truthspeaker]

Another report from 2007 but recently enough to be relevant shows Utah with the lowest reported rates of depression of all states and districts... and ranks them 45th overall in suicide rate as of 2007.. Wait a second, the last report I just showed was also from 2007... my how sources seem not to agree... Perhaps stats don't really tell the whole story do they kitty?

My how your statistics don't add up
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-11-28-depression-suicide-numbers_N.htm

 

[JakeStarkey]

There you go, Truth, I knew you coud do it.

However, the porn and the prescription psychotropic drug rates do place Utah very, very high in those lists.

Hmmm?

All is not well, all is not well in Zion.

 

[Truthspeaker]

There you go, Truth, I knew you coud do it.

However, the porn and the prescription psychotropic drug rates do place Utah very, very high in those lists.

Hmmm?

All is not well, all is not well in Zion.

Well, nobody's perfect, even Mormons. Especially Jack Mormons

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you, and that's the point. Part of the problem is that a good works high stakes value system wreaks havoc on a good portion of its would be followership, is also part of the point.

 

[Avatar4321]

There you go, Truth, I knew you coud do it.

However, the porn and the prescription psychotropic drug rates do place Utah very, very high in those lists.

Hmmm?

All is not well, all is not well in Zion.

not in the least. But is anyone pretending they are?

We need to step up.

 

[Truthspeaker]

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Thank you, and that's the point. Part of the problem is that a good works high stakes value system wreaks havoc on a good portion of its would be followership, is also part of the point.

Off topic but I couldn't resist showing you this beautiful Dodger Jersey I just bought.

 

[catzmeow]

Forcible rape by state 2006, Utah comes in at 34 out of 51(includes DC)
Forcible rape statistics - states compared - StateMaster

my, I'm starting to wonder about the source of your previous stats...

These stats are older than the stats I posted.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Forcible rape by state 2006, Utah comes in at 34 out of 51(includes DC)
Forcible rape statistics - states compared - StateMaster

my, I'm starting to wonder about the source of your previous stats...

These stats are older than the stats I posted.

When are your stats from? It also seems strange that they would spike so differently from the years in which Utah was consistently ranked for so long in the same position. Perhaps your stats were an abberration. What year were they from? Perhaps your stats were provided by a source that didn't do the best research? There's always a perhaps.... God knows.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There you go, Truth, I knew you coud do it.

However, the porn and the prescription psychotropic drug rates do place Utah very, very high in those lists.

Hmmm?

All is not well, all is not well in Zion.

not in the least. But is anyone pretending they are?

We need to step up.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Avatar4321]

There you go, Truth, I knew you coud do it.

However, the porn and the prescription psychotropic drug rates do place Utah very, very high in those lists.

Hmmm?

All is not well, all is not well in Zion.

not in the least. But is anyone pretending they are?

We need to step up.

I agree wholeheartedly.

That surprises me alittle. I was expecting more indifference, I suppose. Just goes to show people don't always do what you expect them too.

 

[JakeStarkey]

John Wesley would say that all good Christian men must offer one another their right hand in fellowship in Christ.

 

[waltky]

Granny says next thing ya know dem polygamists gonna want their marriage rights - just like dem gays an' Hispexicans...

Has Warren Jeffs turned his trial into a sermon on polygamy?
July 30, 2011 - Warren Jeffs, the polygamist leader charged with sexually assaulting two underage girls, broke his silence at the trial with an hour-long invective Friday.

In a single dramatic hour Friday, the course of the San Angelo, Texas, trial against polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs might have changed course. With a rambling outburst that included a malediction against the prosecutors, a defense of polygamy, and direct quotes from "the Lord God," Jeffs broke his prolonged silence in the trial, then continued to interrupt proceedings throughout the rest of the day. The outbursts could merely be a continuation of Mr. Jeffs's apparent legal tactic: delay. But they also have also effectively turned the courtroom into a pulpit for the leader of the breakaway Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who is now representing himself in the proceedings.

"No longer is it really a trial. He just wanted an occasion to give a sermon," Laurie Levenson, professor at the Loyola Law School, told CBS News. Jeffs is charged with sexually assaulting two underage girls. If convicted, he could receive life in prison. He has claimed that, as the head of his church, he has the constitutional right to practice his own religion, which includes polygamy. The mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church, repudiated polygamy more than a century ago. Until 10:25 a.m. Friday, Mr. Jeffs had been spectator at his own trial. Before the trial had begun, he had fired his team of attorneys, saying they could not present "a pure defense."

Then, in opening statements, he said nothing as prosecutors vowed to provide evidence that he raped a 12-year-old girl and impregnated a 15 year old. His silence had extended to the point that District Judge Barbara Walther eventually implored: "You've sat here now for an hour and not said a word," suggesting that further silence could yield "a very bad result." Jeffs broke that silence Friday when prosecutors introduced as evidence a list of his wives and children they said lived at Jeffs's Yearning for Zion Ranch in 2004. Jeffs stood up to object, and it was 55 minutes before that objection was over. The objection was overruled, though Judge Walther let him go on because he had not offered an opening statement. The jury was dismissed during his statement.

By the time the trial adjourned for the day at nearly 5 p.m., Jeffs had interrupted the prosecution so often that the judge had the baliff turn off his microphone. In some ways, the interruptions fit the pattern of the trial, which has been repeatedly delayed as Jeffs retained and then abandoned attorneys – he has had seven attorneys in six months. Then, when he dismissed his attorneys before the trial, he asked for a further delay so that he could organize his defense. "Mr. Jeffs, the court is not going to recess these proceedings to let you go to law school," the judge responded. During the trial, Jeffs has often waited more than a minute to respond to the judge's questions. But Friday, he was enflamed.

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[JakeStarkey]

Warren Jeffs is the laughing stock of the west, particularly in San Saba, Texas.

The lady judge will make him look absolutely stupid, particularly at sentencing when she points that his judge is a female and superior in all ways.

Warren is nothing but a laughing stock.

 

[catzmeow]

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When are your stats from? It also seems strange that they would spike so differently from the years in which Utah was consistently ranked for so long in the same position. Perhaps your stats were an abberration. What year were they from? Perhaps your stats were provided by a source that didn't do the best research? There's always a perhaps.... God knows.

Why don't you go back and look at them? Most came directly from sites that are state funded...by the state of Utah.

 

[catzmeow]

not in the least. But is anyone pretending they are?

We need to step up.

Your friend Truthspeaker, for one.

 

[Monnagonna]

How much does a mormon wife cost?

 

[Truthspeaker]

Granny says next thing ya know dem polygamists gonna want their marriage rights - just like dem gays an' Hispexicans...

Has Warren Jeffs turned his trial into a sermon on polygamy?
July 30, 2011 - Warren Jeffs, the polygamist leader charged with sexually assaulting two underage girls, broke his silence at the trial with an hour-long invective Friday.

In a single dramatic hour Friday, the course of the San Angelo, Texas, trial against polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs might have changed course. With a rambling outburst that included a malediction against the prosecutors, a defense of polygamy, and direct quotes from "the Lord God," Jeffs broke his prolonged silence in the trial, then continued to interrupt proceedings throughout the rest of the day. The outbursts could merely be a continuation of Mr. Jeffs's apparent legal tactic: delay. But they also have also effectively turned the courtroom into a pulpit for the leader of the breakaway Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who is now representing himself in the proceedings.

"No longer is it really a trial. He just wanted an occasion to give a sermon," Laurie Levenson, professor at the Loyola Law School, told CBS News. Jeffs is charged with sexually assaulting two underage girls. If convicted, he could receive life in prison. He has claimed that, as the head of his church, he has the constitutional right to practice his own religion, which includes polygamy. The mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church, repudiated polygamy more than a century ago. Until 10:25 a.m. Friday, Mr. Jeffs had been spectator at his own trial. Before the trial had begun, he had fired his team of attorneys, saying they could not present "a pure defense."

Then, in opening statements, he said nothing as prosecutors vowed to provide evidence that he raped a 12-year-old girl and impregnated a 15 year old. His silence had extended to the point that District Judge Barbara Walther eventually implored: "You've sat here now for an hour and not said a word," suggesting that further silence could yield "a very bad result." Jeffs broke that silence Friday when prosecutors introduced as evidence a list of his wives and children they said lived at Jeffs's Yearning for Zion Ranch in 2004. Jeffs stood up to object, and it was 55 minutes before that objection was over. The objection was overruled, though Judge Walther let him go on because he had not offered an opening statement. The jury was dismissed during his statement.

By the time the trial adjourned for the day at nearly 5 p.m., Jeffs had interrupted the prosecution so often that the judge had the baliff turn off his microphone. In some ways, the interruptions fit the pattern of the trial, which has been repeatedly delayed as Jeffs retained and then abandoned attorneys – he has had seven attorneys in six months. Then, when he dismissed his attorneys before the trial, he asked for a further delay so that he could organize his defense. "Mr. Jeffs, the court is not going to recess these proceedings to let you go to law school," the judge responded. During the trial, Jeffs has often waited more than a minute to respond to the judge's questions. But Friday, he was enflamed.

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I'm glad u posted this... It's clear to see the difference between us and this dude... This guy is truly wacked.
So whatever you see him say, you might as well realize that we're the opposite. But then again you may not be much less deluded than he so it's hard for the blind to recognize the error of other blind.

 

[Truthspeaker]

How much does a mormon wife cost?

More than you can afford...

 

[Monnagonna]

How much does a mormon wife cost?

More than you can afford...

You'd be surprised. Now how much?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am not LDS or any other type of Mormon, and I will never become one. But . . . the LDS are Christian, just not like Catholics, or Baptists, or Pentecostals, or Church of Christs, or Methodists, or what fricking ever.

I attended an hymnodial meeting yesterday in a Salt Lake City LDS ward house with friends. The members who participated chose their favorite hymns, giving a brief testimony to the reason why they chose the hymn and why spiritual music brings them closer to Jesus Christ.

The Spirit of God rested on that congregation. The final hymn was "I Believe in Christ", written by a man I knew and never liked very much. The spirit reminded me never to judge others character, only their behavior. I wept at the Holy Ghost's anointing of that congregation and its testimony of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

Mormons are Christians.