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Sure I can - it's called the United States Constitution! And it specifically states that my taxes can be taken for defense. For the patent office. For federal courts and judges. But it also says that they may not be taken for Obamacare. For Social Security. For Welfare.
Facts....they are a bitch, eh CC?
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Bzzt! The U.S. Constitution outlines 18 enumerated powers of the federal government. Socialism is not one of them. This could not be more cut & dry, even for a buffoon like you....
(and "lay & collect taxes is for one of those eighteen enumerated powers only)
Taxes are taken from the public FOR the public. You cant pick and choose what you want your taxes to be used for and when you want it. Unless you live in a cave with a wifi connection
Sure I can - it's called the United States Constitution! And it specifically states that my taxes can be taken for defense. For the patent office. For federal courts and judges. But it also says that they may not be taken for Obamacare. For Social Security. For Welfare.
Facts....they are a bitch, eh CC?
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Joe thinks the federal government is doing the rich a favor by not confiscating everything they make. That's how most left-wingers think. They are unable to grok the concept that your income belongs to you. They view all income as welfare. That allows them to salve their bruised egos that are smarting from the knowledge that they produce nothing of value.
He's a self-professed communist. Which is also why he absurdly believes that the federal government is doing people a favor by not confiscating what people EARN.
I strongly urge everyone on USMB to just put him on ignore. What's the point of listening to lie after lie after lie in an effort to push communism? Just ignore him and move on to people who have something intelligent to say...
Joe's lies need to be exposed. People like Joe have been running around spouting their propaganda without being challenged for far too long.
Sure I can - it's called the United States Constitution! And it specifically states that my taxes can be taken for defense. For the patent office. For federal courts and judges. But it also says that they may not be taken for Obamacare. For Social Security. For Welfare.
Facts....they are a bitch, eh CC?
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Since genius here thinks that the power to tax gives the federal government unlimited power, effectively immediately, there is a $2.2 million tax on your 1st Amendment rights. If you cannot pay that immediately, you must stop posting on USMB...
Oh, and by the way, effective immediately there is also a $5 million poll tax. If you cannot pay that, you will not be permitted to vote.
Still think you're so "smart" there [MENTION=45004]Destroyer2[/MENTION] or are you prepared to reexamine your asinine stance on the Constitution?
Sure I can - it's called the United States Constitution! And it specifically states that my taxes can be taken for defense. For the patent office. For federal courts and judges. But it also says that they may not be taken for Obamacare. For Social Security. For Welfare.
Facts....they are a bitch, eh CC?
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Bzzt! The U.S. Constitution outlines 18 enumerated powers of the federal government. Socialism is not one of them. This could not be more cut & dry, even for a buffoon like you....
(and "lay & collect taxes is for one of those eighteen enumerated powers only)
He's a self-professed communist. Which is also why he absurdly believes that the federal government is doing people a favor by not confiscating what people EARN.
I strongly urge everyone on USMB to just put him on ignore. What's the point of listening to lie after lie after lie in an effort to push communism? Just ignore him and move on to people who have something intelligent to say...
Joe's lies need to be exposed. People like Joe have been running around spouting their propaganda without being challenged for far too long.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it actually make a sound?
Dude - I spent two years exposing Joe's lies. His entire narrative is dead and buried (and believe me, he knows it too). All he has left is being a troll desperate for attention. Why waste your valuable time? Remember, you've got a job - he doesn't.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
However, if you look to the preamble to the United States Constitution, it very specifically reads:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare
There is a vastly HUGE difference between the words provide and "promote". Had they truly wanted government to provide for the general welfare, the Founders would have been consistent in specifically saying so. Now add to the fact that during Lincoln's Presidency, Federal Income Tax was ALSO ruled unConstitutional by the United States Supreme Court, only further restricts the original intent for the role of government.
Next.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Since genius here thinks that the power to tax gives the federal government unlimited power, effectively immediately, there is a $2.2 million tax on your 1st Amendment rights. If you cannot pay that immediately, you must stop posting on USMB...
Oh, and by the way, effective immediately there is also a $5 million poll tax. If you cannot pay that, you will not be permitted to vote.
Still think you're so "smart" there [MENTION=45004]Destroyer2[/MENTION] or are you prepared to reexamine your asinine stance on the Constitution?
Yes, by pulling out two examples that show taxing something that is considered a basic human freedom in the constitution itself which cannot be infringed upon by law, you have made me reconsider my stance.
Show me a quote where taxing for welfare, social security, and Obamacare (or a clear similarity since obviously the latter two didn't exist at the time in any shape or form whatsoever) are strictly forbidden. Go on. Show me.
Since genius here thinks that the power to tax gives the federal government unlimited power, effectively immediately, there is a $2.2 million tax on your 1st Amendment rights. If you cannot pay that immediately, you must stop posting on USMB...
Oh, and by the way, effective immediately there is also a $5 million poll tax. If you cannot pay that, you will not be permitted to vote.
Still think you're so "smart" there [MENTION=45004]Destroyer2[/MENTION] or are you prepared to reexamine your asinine stance on the Constitution?
Yes, by pulling out two examples that show taxing something that is considered a basic human freedom in the constitution itself which cannot be infringed upon by law, you have made me reconsider my stance.
Show me a quote where taxing for welfare, social security, and Obamacare (or a clear similarity since obviously the latter two didn't exist at the time in any shape or form whatsoever) are strictly forbidden. Go on. Show me.
Wait, what? How could it be "infringing"? After all, you made it clear that the federal government has the "power to tax". So, being consistent with your (very fucked up) slant on the Constitution, please show me where you can't apply taxes to your view of "basic human freedoms"?
Sorry chief - by your own interpretation - you lose. Please stop posting on USMB now and stop voting unless you can come up with the TAX!
(Hint: if you have to apply your interpretation differently for times when it works for you and times when it doesn't, it pretty much exposes your interpretation as being fucked up)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
However, if you look to the preamble to the United States Constitution, it very specifically reads:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare
There is a vastly HUGE difference between the words provide and "promote". Had they truly wanted government to provide for the general welfare, the Founders would have been consistent in specifically saying so. Now add to the fact that during Lincoln's Presidency, Federal Income Tax was ALSO ruled unConstitutional by the United States Supreme Court, only further restricts the original intent for the role of government.
Next.
Preamble says promote, Article I Section 8 says provide. It's almost like you're cherry-picking the parts of the constitution you want to follow! (Hint: you are)
If you want to play more semantics though, it says "We the people of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare", not "We the government of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare". Whereas I-8 clearly specifies the power of Congress to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare.
Nice try.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and General Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Bzzt!
The Constitution actually specifically states Congress can tax the people for the general welfare of the US. Hint: that includes welfare, social security, and yes, even Obamacare.
Next.
Bzzt! The U.S. Constitution outlines 18 enumerated powers of the federal government. Socialism is not one of them. This could not be more cut & dry, even for a buffoon like you....
(and "lay & collect taxes is for one of those eighteen enumerated powers only)
ERROR! Um, no, that ain't how it works. That is one of the enumerated powers, not FOR one of the 18.
It's very clear in that quote. Taxes for "General Welfare" which (ever-so-shockingly, I know) includes welfare, Social Security, and Obamacare, are constitutional.
If you want to make the argument that they are bad laws that should be thrown off a cliff, burned with the intensity of 10,000 suns, and then obliterated in a matter vaporization device, you can make that argument. But I'll just continue to laugh at you if you try to frame it as unconstitutional.
However, if you look to the preamble to the United States Constitution, it very specifically reads:
There is a vastly HUGE difference between the words provide and "promote". Had they truly wanted government to provide for the general welfare, the Founders would have been consistent in specifically saying so. Now add to the fact that during Lincoln's Presidency, Federal Income Tax was ALSO ruled unConstitutional by the United States Supreme Court, only further restricts the original intent for the role of government.
Next.
Preamble says promote, Article I Section 8 says provide. It's almost like you're cherry-picking the parts of the constitution you want to follow! (Hint: you are)
If you want to play more semantics though, it says "We the people of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare", not "We the government of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare". Whereas I-8 clearly specifies the power of Congress to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare.
Nice try.
Really? The guy who is cherry-picking the most from the Constitution wants to complain about "cherry-picking"?
Here it is chief - ALL of Section 8. Notice how it says defense / general welfare (which is what the term means - not socialism). They clearly cite the reasons for taxes - please show me which reason says "to feed the people" or "to give the people healthcare":
Section 8. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, Dockyards, and other needful Buildings;And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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Preamble says promote, Article I Section 8 says provide. It's almost like you're cherry-picking the parts of the constitution you want to follow! (Hint: you are)
If you want to play more semantics though, it says "We the people of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare", not "We the government of the United States, in order to...promote the general welfare". Whereas I-8 clearly specifies the power of Congress to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare.
Nice try.
Really? The guy who is cherry-picking the most from the Constitution wants to complain about "cherry-picking"?
Here it is chief - ALL of Section 8. Notice how it says defense / general welfare (which is what the term means - not socialism). They clearly cite the reasons for taxes - please show me which reason says "to feed the people" or "to give the people healthcare":
Section 8. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, Dockyards, and other needful Buildings;And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Excerpt From: States, United. The United States Constitution. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.
Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=361557977
It's set out in the format of
Congress has the power to X (collect taxes for defense and welfare);
To Y (borrow money);
To Z (regulate commerce);
To Q (coin money);
To R (establish post offices);
etc.
That's why there are semi-colons and not colons.
Please, learn how to read.
Damn Poodle. Just in the last couple pages you have been schooled in grammar, the proper use of punctuation and the COTUS.
You should say "Thank YOU" to those fine people trying to educate you.
Now make em proud and show that you learned something and shut up.
Maybe you will learn something about economics and politics next. Oh happy days.
Really? The guy who is cherry-picking the most from the Constitution wants to complain about "cherry-picking"?
Here it is chief - ALL of Section 8. Notice how it says defense / general welfare (which is what the term means - not socialism). They clearly cite the reasons for taxes - please show me which reason says "to feed the people" or "to give the people healthcare":
Section 8. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, Dockyards, and other needful Buildings;And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Excerpt From: States, United. The United States Constitution. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.
Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=361557977
It's set out in the format of
Congress has the power to X (collect taxes for defense and welfare);
To Y (borrow money);
To Z (regulate commerce);
To Q (coin money);
To R (establish post offices);
etc.
That's why there are semi-colons and not colons.
Please, learn how to read.
What?!? This has to be the most incoherent "explanation" ever...
Your saying that semicolons (one word, genius) is what "implies" in the Constitution that the federal government is authorized to steal from one group of people and give a portion of the stolen money to another group of people? Really? The semicolon?
Hey stupid, semicolons are a break and essentially mean "more is coming". That's why there is no semicolon at the end of the final sentence in Section 8.
Game. Set. Match. You lose..
