The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

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First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

The Prayer in the First Congress, A.D. 1774
O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.
Amen.
Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.

That is it. Now tell us why the first motion was objected to.
For what reason and why?

A few objected and this is why;

American Revolution & Founding Era: First Prayer of Continental Congress Remembered

And then the Reverend gave the prayer.

 

[AllieBaba]

Ask Allie what Christian tenets are in our Constitution and in our laws and in our nations' historical policies....that's when she: 1) changes the subject, 2) calls you names, or 3) goes away for awhile..

What you will NOT get is examples to bolster her point.

I already provided examples.

Lots of them. It's a shame you're such a liar.

This is what you keep saying....and this is the only thing you say....

Allie: "I already provided examples"

Me: "Well, where are they?

Allie: "You just have to find them for yourself"

Me: "Can you give a link, repeat them or post number"

Allie: "Do your own work"

Me: "Ok, I looked thru the entire thread, don't see them"

Allie: "Troll!"

That's pretty much how Allie rolls.

Liar again.

Please link all those quotes.

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh...and ONE of my previous quotes that establish that the US was indeed founded as a Christian nation, and what the tenets are:

In the words of the messiah himself:

"And the ideals on which they framed the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution — that man is subject to the laws of nature and of nature’s God, that God created man equal and endowed him with basic unalienable rights, that human nature is sinful and therefore government power must be carefully restrained by the Constitution — are ideals that they derived, directly or indirectly, from the Bible. Some of these ideals may be shared by those of other religious traditions. But the Founding Fathers, with few exceptions, did not read the Koran, or the Upanishads, or the Bagavigita. They read the Bible, and they heard the Bible preached on Sunday mornings."



Obama: America Not a Christian Nation
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[bodecea]

I already provided examples.

Lots of them. It's a shame you're such a liar.

This is what you keep saying....and this is the only thing you say....

Allie: "I already provided examples"

Me: "Well, where are they?

Allie: "You just have to find them for yourself"

Me: "Can you give a link, repeat them or post number"

Allie: "Do your own work"

Me: "Ok, I looked thru the entire thread, don't see them"

Allie: "Troll!"

That's pretty much how Allie rolls.

Liar again.

Please link all those quotes.

Paraphrases....but please feel free to be offended. That's how you roll.

(actually, I should have told you to go look it up yourself...but I'm not like you)

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm not offended. I'd be offended if I wasn't expecting a big fat lie and got one.

But I always expect lies from you, Bod. Just like to keep up my side of the bargain by continuing to point them out.

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh, and PS..for future reference, since you're such a scholar and all, and I know it's important to you...

You don't use quotation marks for paraphrases.

And you still have to reference the material.

I don't expect you to do it. But again, just pointing it out...

 

[Gadawg73]

Have you ever sat down and actually read the Bible?

Tell us Allie what the Bible has to do with The US Constitution, the document and law of the land that this nation was founded on.
Bible classse were mandatory at the Christian schools I was educated in. I have relatives that are preachers dating back to the 1600s to the present.
They are proof positive that this country never interfered with or mixed religion with government.
They do it your way in Iran. Delta is ready when you are.

I'm not Allie.

The argument isn't what the Constitution says or doesn't say. The argument is whether this nation was founded on Christian principles. And it was. The Constitution even honors the Christian Sabbath as laid out in Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2, which stated in part, “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

Lonestar, I do admire your tenacity but your lack of knowledge about how politics works or your failure to admit that even in Colonial days politics was the norm shows once again.
Once again you prove my point.
President Washington was almost arrested in Massachussets one Sunday because travel was banned on Sundays. He was traveling to communicate with opponents and proponents of a bill that he may or may not veto.
The "Sundays excepted" clause was an executive move for it's inclusion in the Presidential veto power clause. The first draft of Artidle 1 Section provided for only 7 days within which the President could veto a bill and did not exclude Sunday.
The final draft gives the President 10 days, and with Sundays excepted, 12 days to veto a bill.
The Presidential veto power is a qualified power, established by the Constitution and limited only by time, NOT by subsequent laws passed by Congress or the courts.
There are NO religous reasons given by any of the Founders at the Convention for the wording of "Sundays excepted" in the official record at the Convention.
Why? Convention members went out of their way taken great pains to not allow any mention of religion from the Constitution they were drafting.
The clause is silent about the purpose of the Sunday exception and does not recognize any day as the Sabbath.
Now there were voices in the states opposing the reigous tests clause in the Constitution. They, just like you, claimed that this country was founded on Christian principles and that the no religous test clause would open up national offices to Jews, Catholics, infidels, etc. Even in his day many believed Jefferson to be an atheist, infidel or worse.

 

[bodecea]

I'm not offended. I'd be offended if I wasn't expecting a big fat lie and got one.

But I always expect lies from you, Bod. Just like to keep up my side of the bargain by continuing to point them out.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3580555-post1397.html

A #3

 

[bodecea]

Oh, and PS..for future reference, since you're such a scholar and all, and I know it's important to you...

You don't use quotation marks for paraphrases.

And you still have to reference the material.

I don't expect you to do it. But again, just pointing it out...

Then I stand corrected...I would have expected people to figure out thru the dialogue set up.....you, not so much...............

 

[AllieBaba]

Another famous link to nowhere that proves..nothing.

 

[bodecea]

Another famous link to nowhere that proves..nothing.

My link goes nowhere? Let me check......

 

[AllieBaba]

Oh, and PS..for future reference, since you're such a scholar and all, and I know it's important to you...

You don't use quotation marks for paraphrases.

And you still have to reference the material.

I don't expect you to do it. But again, just pointing it out...

Then I stand corrected...I would have expected people to figure out thru the dialogue set up.....you, not so much...............

You mean you expect people to know you're lying even though you pose it as fact?

Of course everybody expects you to lie, my dear. I just point it out for those who haven't seen you wallowing in the mire yet.

 

[bodecea]

I'm not offended. I'd be offended if I wasn't expecting a big fat lie and got one.

But I always expect lies from you, Bod. Just like to keep up my side of the bargain by continuing to point them out.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3580555-post1397.html

A #3

This link works just fine.


But maybe you just gave us another form of deflection....a #4, perhaps....lying about my posts and links.

 

[AllieBaba]

What exactly does the link prove, except that you're a liar?

You're linking to false quotes, that you've admitted are false. So what is your point exactly?

 

[bodecea]

What exactly does the link prove, except that you're a liar?

You're linking to false quotes, that you've admitted are false. So what is your point exactly?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3580555-post1397.html

Another #3....picture no less.

 

[bodecea]

What exactly does the link prove, except that you're a liar?

You're linking to false quotes, that you've admitted are false. So what is your point exactly?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3580555-post1397.html

Another #3....picture no less.

I applaud you Allie for giving me neg rep for FOUR...count 'em!...FOUR days in a row.

A saint you are to all those you pos repped JUST so you could spread it around enough to neg rep me daily.


It's like getting FOUR Navy Achievement medals....my ribbon will run out of room for the gold stars.

Let's do it again tomorrow....looking to set a record.

 

[AllieBaba]

Continue to troll and lie, and we just might.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Tell us Allie what the Bible has to do with The US Constitution, the document and law of the land that this nation was founded on.
Bible classse were mandatory at the Christian schools I was educated in. I have relatives that are preachers dating back to the 1600s to the present.
They are proof positive that this country never interfered with or mixed religion with government.
They do it your way in Iran. Delta is ready when you are.

I'm not Allie.

The argument isn't what the Constitution says or doesn't say. The argument is whether this nation was founded on Christian principles. And it was. The Constitution even honors the Christian Sabbath as laid out in Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2, which stated in part, “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

Lonestar, I do admire your tenacity but your lack of knowledge about how politics works or your failure to admit that even in Colonial days politics was the norm shows once again.
Once again you prove my point.
President Washington was almost arrested in Massachussets one Sunday because travel was banned on Sundays. He was traveling to communicate with opponents and proponents of a bill that he may or may not veto.
The "Sundays excepted" clause was an executive move for it's inclusion in the Presidential veto power clause. The first draft of Artidle 1 Section provided for only 7 days within which the President could veto a bill and did not exclude Sunday.
The final draft gives the President 10 days, and with Sundays excepted, 12 days to veto a bill.
The Presidential veto power is a qualified power, established by the Constitution and limited only by time, NOT by subsequent laws passed by Congress or the courts.
There are NO religous reasons given by any of the Founders at the Convention for the wording of "Sundays excepted" in the official record at the Convention.
Why? Convention members went out of their way taken great pains to not allow any mention of religion from the Constitution they were drafting.
The clause is silent about the purpose of the Sunday exception and does not recognize any day as the Sabbath.
Now there were voices in the states opposing the reigous tests clause in the Constitution. They, just like you, claimed that this country was founded on Christian principles and that the no religous test clause would open up national offices to Jews, Catholics, infidels, etc. Even in his day many believed Jefferson to be an atheist, infidel or worse.

Nice spin. But it doesn't hold water. The fact is the Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath.

 

[bodecea]

Continue to troll and lie, and we just might.

Theres Deflection #3 again.

 

[bodecea]

I'm not Allie.

The argument isn't what the Constitution says or doesn't say. The argument is whether this nation was founded on Christian principles. And it was. The Constitution even honors the Christian Sabbath as laid out in Article 1, Section 7, Clause 2, which stated in part, “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

Lonestar, I do admire your tenacity but your lack of knowledge about how politics works or your failure to admit that even in Colonial days politics was the norm shows once again.
Once again you prove my point.
President Washington was almost arrested in Massachussets one Sunday because travel was banned on Sundays. He was traveling to communicate with opponents and proponents of a bill that he may or may not veto.
The "Sundays excepted" clause was an executive move for it's inclusion in the Presidential veto power clause. The first draft of Artidle 1 Section provided for only 7 days within which the President could veto a bill and did not exclude Sunday.
The final draft gives the President 10 days, and with Sundays excepted, 12 days to veto a bill.
The Presidential veto power is a qualified power, established by the Constitution and limited only by time, NOT by subsequent laws passed by Congress or the courts.
There are NO religous reasons given by any of the Founders at the Convention for the wording of "Sundays excepted" in the official record at the Convention.
Why? Convention members went out of their way taken great pains to not allow any mention of religion from the Constitution they were drafting.
The clause is silent about the purpose of the Sunday exception and does not recognize any day as the Sabbath.
Now there were voices in the states opposing the reigous tests clause in the Constitution. They, just like you, claimed that this country was founded on Christian principles and that the no religous test clause would open up national offices to Jews, Catholics, infidels, etc. Even in his day many believed Jefferson to be an atheist, infidel or worse.

Nice spin. But it doesn't hold water. The fact is the Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath.

1. Where does it say "Christian Sabbath"?

2. Do all Christian churches use Sunday as their "sabbath"?

3. Blue laws are antiquated leftovers from Puritan days...and are going bye bye (except in the silly Bible Belt)