The unspoken moral dilemma of socialists

[owebo]

Also how liberal policies are usually backed by corporations. That is another they do not like to talk about.

Yep. The go all 'Sergeant Schultz' on that one.

It's what fascist left wingers do....

 

[dblack]

Also how liberal policies are usually backed by corporations. That is another they do not like to talk about.

Yep. The go all 'Sergeant Schultz' on that one.

It's what fascist lifer wingers do....

That's the thing. Liberalism used to be all about protecting individual freedom. Now it's just about holier-than-though, authoritarian fluffing.

 

[jc456]

who pays for the security to keep business and people safe?

The business itself manages its own security needs.

All community members have a moral obligation to step in for those that are subjected to physical aggression against their personhood or property. The public defense is informal, yet it needs to be defined by a culture of self-reliance and good ethics.

It would help if more of society was armed, and with something other than ineffective civilian firearms nonetheless. An armed society is a civil society.

So no courts?

 

[Onyx]

So no courts?

Few things are more fucked up than the criminal justice system.

 

[jc456]

who pays for the security to keep business and people safe?

The business itself manages its own security needs.

All community members have a moral obligation to step in for those that are subjected to physical aggression against their personhood or property. The public defense is informal, yet it needs to be defined by a culture of self-reliance and good ethics.

It would help if more of society was armed, and with something other than ineffective civilian firearms nonetheless. An armed society is a civil society.

By the way, isn't that how it started?

 

[Onyx]

By the way, isn't that how it started?

No, it started with the constitution.

It probably would of came about much slower through the Articles of Confederation.

 

[owebo]

So no courts?

Few things are more fucked up than the criminal justice system.

But no courts?

 

[owebo]

By the way, isn't that how it started?

No, it started with the constitution.

It probably would of came about much slower through the Articles of Confederation.

It would have all fallen apart with the articles of confederation.....

 

[jc456]

So no courts?

Few things are more fucked up than the criminal justice system.

Jails? What do you do with offenders. See it starts to snowball and corruption follows why two parties isn't enough. Trump is that outlet and millions love it. It's about time in my life.

 

[Onyx]

But no courts?

It depends.

Do you believe in systematically judging human life through a flawed institution established by imperfect individuals in a vein attempt at greater population control?

 

[owebo]

But no courts?

It depends.

Do you believe in systematically judging human life through a flawed institution established by imperfect individuals in a vein attempt at greater population control?

No, I believe in Liberty....

 

[Onyx]

It would have all fallen apart with the articles of confederation.....

Into what?

Most of society was already self-reliant and self-sufficient.

The people got by without an intrusive federal government.

 

[AntonToo]

Capitalism in action:
I put out the money to start a small cafe. People pay me to eat in my establish because the food is delicious. I employ local workers to help me serve the public. I pay them from the proceeds of my business, and I pay myself. We then take that money and fill our tanks with gas at the station down the block. And we buy gifts from the Hallmark store across the street. We shop at the local supermarket. Those businesses pay their employees with the money they received. Then those people come to my cafe to enjoy a good meal... It works perfectly for all involved.

....cool story bro, I never imagined things could be like that, thank you for opening my eyes to these wonderful, whimsical economic arrangements

 

[Onyx]

No, I believe in Liberty....

And I believe in freedom.

I guess we both have strong convictions.

 

[jc456]

So, a private economy can exist in what place without a government?

With governance too, and literally anywhere.

The question is if all interactions are voluntary, because that is the distinction between freedom and the state (established government)

There must be governance, a leader and a body. Hmm government.

 

[owebo]

It would have all fallen apart with the articles of confederation.....

Into what?

Most of society was already self-reliant and self-sufficient.

The people got by without an intrusive federal government.

At the time, perhaps a muslim state.....depends on what different decisions countries would have made at the time in light of our chaos.....

 

[jc456]

No, I believe in Liberty....

And I believe in freedom.

I guess we both have strong convictions.

No such thing

 

[owebo]

No, I believe in Liberty....

And I believe in freedom.

I guess we both have strong convictions.

But freedom does not equal Liberty.......

 

[Onyx]

Jails? What do you do with offenders.

Offenders of what?

If someone tries to violate your personhood or property, then you shoot them. Simply stated and simply done.

See it starts to snowball and corruption follows why two parties isn't enough. Trump is that outlet and millions love it. It's about time in my life.

Nothing I could say would teach you in this regard

Americans will have to learn the Trump lesson the hard way, or at least ignorantly cling on to a false success story like liberals do with Obama's "change."

 

[Onyx]

No such thing

Not within the state, that is for sure.

Free men exist now. For example, who lorded over Stalin when he was alive?