The value of slavery?

[Coyote]

The Native Americans were allowed to open their well run casinos and many have made a fortune.

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

 

[dave p]

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

I never asserted that Native Americans were given reparations.

IM2 has, he was who I was responding to.

My apologies

 

[Coyote]

The Native Americans were allowed to open their well run casinos and many have made a fortune.

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

It's also going to be diluted now, with the increased legalization of casinos and gambling...

Some have done well with natural resources on tribal lands, but despite that many reservations are the poorest places in the country and it's shameful.

 

[dave p]

The Native Americans were allowed to open their well run casinos and many have made a fortune.

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

 

[Coyote]

The Native Americans were allowed to open their well run casinos and many have made a fortune.

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

I agree with you on the atrocities to Native Americans. I totally disagree on the atrocities to blacks. Blacks couldn't own land. They were owned property themselves. They could be killed, whipped, starved and raped with inpunity. Families were forcably seperated on the auction block. They were lynched for looking at a white woman. They were used, without their consent in horrible medical experiments. And it was all legal.

 

[IM2]

And who created and enforced the laws that made it legal for white individuals to enslave, abuse and violate the human rights of other human beings of African descent (but not white human beings), including the Fugitive Slave Act? That's government created, sanctioned and enforced abuse.

One of the primary concerns after the slaves were freed was compensation to the slave owners for the "loss" of their "property". Hopefully that should tell you something.

It wasn't the US government, that's for sure. Slavery existed for thousands of years before the US government existed, or the colonies for that matter.

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

Native Americans DO get reparations.

1. the making of amends for wrong or injury done: reparation for an injustice.
2. Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
3. restoration to good condition.

 

[Coyote]

How Black Slaves Were Routinely Sold As ‘Specimens’ To Ambitious White Doctors

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[IM2]

The Native Americans were allowed to open their well run casinos and many have made a fortune.

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

Bullshit!

 

[Coyote]

It wasn't the US government, that's for sure. Slavery existed for thousands of years before the US government existed, or the colonies for that matter.

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

Native Americans DO get reparations.

1. the making of amends for wrong or injury done: reparation for an injustice.
2. Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
3. restoration to good condition.

No. They do not. We are talking about reparations in the meaning of #1.

 

[dave p]

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

I agree with you on the atrocities to Native Americans. I totally disagree on the atrocities to blacks. Blacks couldn't own land. They were owned property themselves. They could be killed, whipped, starved and raped with inpunity. Families were forcably seperated on the auction block. They were lynched for looking at a white woman. They were used, without their consent in horrible medical experiments. And it was all legal.

I agree they were treated badly and the whole incident is an atrocity. However it was not directed by the U.S. government. The Governent that did, the confederate stars of America no longer exists. Slavery was more or less individual in nature. The money paid to purchase slaves was paid by individuals to other individuals in some cases to foreign Governments. Laws unfortunately did not go far enough to protect them. However the playing field has been rectified and the opportunities afforded to Whites are also afforded to Blacks. Some specific laws favor Blacks. The idea of reparations on top of what has been done is quite frankly ridiculous.

 

[dave p]

It wasn't the US government, that's for sure. Slavery existed for thousands of years before the US government existed, or the colonies for that matter.

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

Native Americans DO get reparations.

1. the making of amends for wrong or injury done: reparation for an injustice.
2. Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
3. restoration to good condition.

Not every tribe has been recognized. Most have been left out.

 

[dave p]

Unfortunately not all tribes have been recognized. The ones that haven’t are not allowed the same opportunities.

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

Bullshit!

How eloquent! However I am 100% correct.

 

[dave p]

It wasn't the US government, that's for sure. Slavery existed for thousands of years before the US government existed, or the colonies for that matter.

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

Native Americans DO get reparations.

1. the making of amends for wrong or injury done: reparation for an injustice.
2. Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
3. restoration to good condition.

What happened to the Native Americans and to Blacks was not a result of war.

 

[Coyote]

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Agree with that. If people must be deemed "worthy" of reparations, then that cast's a whole different (and not very palatable) light on it. If Native Americans should receive reparations today, then so should blacks and so should women come to think of it.

And no, I disagree with your assertion that Native Americans got reparations.

Native Americans DO get reparations.

1. the making of amends for wrong or injury done: reparation for an injustice.
2. Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
3. restoration to good condition.

Not every tribe has been recognized. Most have been left out.

True.

 

[Coyote]

Not every member of every segment of society can get their act together.
Being an Observant Jew I know that not every Jew is a millionaire...I'm not.
I know Jews with a zero IQ who are literally billionaires and Jews who are geniuses and are poor.

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

I agree with you on the atrocities to Native Americans. I totally disagree on the atrocities to blacks. Blacks couldn't own land. They were owned property themselves. They could be killed, whipped, starved and raped with inpunity. Families were forcably seperated on the auction block. They were lynched for looking at a white woman. They were used, without their consent in horrible medical experiments. And it was all legal.

I agree they were treated badly and the whole incident is an atrocity. However it was not directed by the U.S. government. The Governent that did, the confederate stars of America no longer exists. Slavery was more or less individual in nature. The money paid to purchase slaves was paid by individuals to other individuals in some cases to foreign Governments. Laws unfortunately did not go far enough to protect them. However the playing field has been rectified and the opportunities afforded to Whites are also afforded to Blacks. Some specific laws favor Blacks. The idea of reparations on top of what has been done is quite frankly ridiculous.

The laws concerning slavery came from the government - the federal government and state governments prior to the confederacy.

 

[dave p]

Native Americans are the only race that should be given any money by the Government. They are the only race that the Government directly destroyed. Slaves were owned by individuals.

And who created and enforced the laws that made it legal for white individuals to enslave, abuse and violate the human rights of other human beings of African descent (but not white human beings), including the Fugitive Slave Act? That's government created, sanctioned and enforced abuse.

One of the primary concerns after the slaves were freed was compensation to the slave owners for the "loss" of their "property". Hopefully that should tell you something.

It wasn't the US government, that's for sure. Slavery existed for thousands of years before the US government existed, or the colonies for that matter.

The US government codified it into law and was complicit in continuing the practice after much of the civilized world banned it. Laws come from governments.

My statement stands the only race worthy of considerations is the Native Americans. Blacks have equal footing today because of policies put forth, they have financial opportunities specifically for them as well as employment opportunities. That is reparations enough.

Totally incorrect.

Opinions are like noses. Everybody has one. These threads will never convince anyone to change their mind. One can only expose their individual point of view. The only thing that matters and are relevant are the facts. I feel that the favys support my view, you feel the support yours.

 

[Indeependent]

Blacks refuse police enforcement.
They have schools which do not prepare them for college but heaven forbid they should enforce standards.
They need the bar and $500.00 sneakers.

 

[dave p]

I agree. The Native injustice is close to me since my wife is 100%. Just as the atrocities perpetrated to Jews are close to you.

And...I would add the atrocities committed to blacks in regards to civil rights, which are still in living memory and the legacy of slavery. All that is still very much alive.

The atrocities to Native Americans were a direct result of Government activity and Government policies. Our Government specifically directed the army to slaughter Native Americans. The largest mass shooting in history happened to Native Americans and was directed by the U.S. Government while Abraham Lincoln was in office. The government never did that to Blacks. Our Government stole the Native Americans land. That was not the case with Blacks. As far as the Jees are concerned, the German Government systematically murdered thousand of Jews. Any other race they deemed inferior. One cannot compare the treatment of Native Americans directly by our Government to what happened with Blacks. It is apples and oranges.

I agree with you on the atrocities to Native Americans. I totally disagree on the atrocities to blacks. Blacks couldn't own land. They were owned property themselves. They could be killed, whipped, starved and raped with inpunity. Families were forcably seperated on the auction block. They were lynched for looking at a white woman. They were used, without their consent in horrible medical experiments. And it was all legal.

I agree they were treated badly and the whole incident is an atrocity. However it was not directed by the U.S. government. The Governent that did, the confederate stars of America no longer exists. Slavery was more or less individual in nature. The money paid to purchase slaves was paid by individuals to other individuals in some cases to foreign Governments. Laws unfortunately did not go far enough to protect them. However the playing field has been rectified and the opportunities afforded to Whites are also afforded to Blacks. Some specific laws favor Blacks. The idea of reparations on top of what has been done is quite frankly ridiculous.

The laws concerning slavery came from the government - the federal government and state governments prior to the confederacy.

And have thusly been changed. However no law ever existed and no directive was ever gussied or given to engage in genocide against Blacks as it Was to every tribe of Native Americans. Again I say apples and oranges.

 

[Coyote]

Blacks refuse police enforcement.
They have schools which do not prepare them for college but heaven forbid they should enforce standards.
They need the bar and $500.00 sneakers.

Love those canards don't you?

Schools are not influenced by race but by poverty etc.

 

[Indeependent]

Blacks refuse police enforcement.
They have schools which do not prepare them for college but heaven forbid they should enforce standards.
They need the bar and $500.00 sneakers.

Love those canards don't you?

I work in 3 Black neighborhoods.
Where does your hands on knowledge come from?