The War On Everyday Americans: Why Jobs Are Disappearing, & why universal basic income is our future

[basquebromance]

we can have the robots design the perfect UBI plan for us!

i'm not kidding.

 

[beagle9]

Ray, don't you realize that this is just another way of subsidizing the owners of these companies in so that they can save on labor rates or pay on their employees ??

So let's say x begins getting this basic universal income (BUI), and then x goes to work. Does the BUI continue when person x gets a job or does it stop ??

If it continues, don't you think that companies will work the wages around the BUI ???

Is this something that's wanted by the businesses now also, otherwise for whom are having to lose their cheap labor forces now ??

The great thing about Universal Income is that it isn't altered by anything. If you want to work, great. If you don't want to work and can live off of 18K a year, great. It won't change hiring or wages one bit. If anything, it would take even more people out of the workforce and create a higher need for employees.

Ok, so does this allow companies to pay even cheaper wages than they would otherwise pay in a situation where such a thing doesn't exist ?? Is this a subsidy for employers paid for by the American taxpayers to subsidize their workforces just like the welfare programs were being accessed by military soldiers and McDonald's employees etc ??

How much of the $18,000 dollars do you think a company will use to subsidize the employee's pay, otherwise by what it will pay that employee knowing this bullcrap exist ??

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

That's the case now, where as we have EBT, Apartment subsidies, welfare, free cell phones, free internet, free busing, free medical, otherwise everything that's needed to live free, and yes the effect has been to not seek a job because of it all.

The UBI will make it worse in many ways in which has already been complained about for decades now, and the working class is tired of paying for the free rides of abled body citizens to lay upon their aces doing nothing all day or taking a job that pays nothing meaningful where as they still qualify for the freebies while the employer gets to have his or her huge cake and eat it too.

No it would do just the opposite because the people you describe with all that government stuff would never be able to have all of that with Universal Income. They wouldn't be able to have five kids, eat like a king, live in the suburbs. 18K just wouldn't accommodate that. They would have to work for all the stuff you listed instead of getting it for nothing from the government like they do today.

You think it would be contained to $18,000 a year ??? ROTFLMBO. I got some water front land in AZ to sell to ya if you believe that bullcrap. Do you think that public assistance started out at the levels that it is at now ????

 

[francoHFW]

So according to your ridiculous brainwashed give away to the rich ideology, just watch the middle class and the non-rich go to hell along with the rest of the country, as amazingly we lose out to countries with very few natural resources, through Sheer idiocy... Great job!

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

Government is good for some things but not most. That's why our founders listed in the Constitution what our federal government is responsible for. Government is supposed to provide good for all people--not people of a particular party or group while ignoring or taking away from others.

Exactly what the GOP has been doing the last 35 years, a giveaway to the rich and screwing the rest d u h....

What exactly is being "given" to the rich? Are you referring to the income they earned? Regarding the poor, we spent a trillion dollars on them last year. What the hell happened?

If you count all taxes we now have a flat tax system, which itself is a giveaway to the rich...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The great thing about Universal Income is that it isn't altered by anything. If you want to work, great. If you don't want to work and can live off of 18K a year, great. It won't change hiring or wages one bit. If anything, it would take even more people out of the workforce and create a higher need for employees.

Ok, so does this allow companies to pay even cheaper wages than they would otherwise pay in a situation where such a thing doesn't exist ?? Is this a subsidy for employers paid for by the American taxpayers to subsidize their workforces just like the welfare programs were being accessed by military soldiers and McDonald's employees etc ??

How much of the $18,000 dollars do you think a company will use to subsidize the employee's pay, otherwise by what it will pay that employee knowing this bullcrap exist ??

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

That's the case now, where as we have EBT, Apartment subsidies, welfare, free cell phones, free internet, free busing, free medical, otherwise everything that's needed to live free, and yes the effect has been to not seek a job because of it all.

The UBI will make it worse in many ways in which has already been complained about for decades now, and the working class is tired of paying for the free rides of abled body citizens to lay upon their aces doing nothing all day or taking a job that pays nothing meaningful where as they still qualify for the freebies while the employer gets to have his or her huge cake and eat it too.

No it would do just the opposite because the people you describe with all that government stuff would never be able to have all of that with Universal Income. They wouldn't be able to have five kids, eat like a king, live in the suburbs. 18K just wouldn't accommodate that. They would have to work for all the stuff you listed instead of getting it for nothing from the government like they do today.

You think it would be contained to $18,000 a year ??? ROTFLMBO. I got some water front land in AZ to sell to ya if you believe that bullcrap. Do you think that public assistance started out at the levels that it is at now ????

Nope, but put it into the bill that 18K is the law of the land. No more and no less.

 

[JBond]

i'm gonna raise the dreaded word: "IQ"...you have to be pretty high on the IQ scale to have to be trainable for the jobs that are created...Amazon just automated their warehouses, for example

Amazon has developed a pretty nasty reputation in regards to how it treats its workers. They not only endure shitty wages, they're constantly harassed by management. Their every movement is electronically tracked. They're basically slaves.

$10-11 an hour and constantly harassed, isn't a pleasant way to spend your day. Meanwhile, Amazon continues to rake in $Billions. So i can understand folks' frustration about having their privacy invaded as well. No one wants to be a slave.

Yes, in a situation like that the workers need to be unionized.

Well that is never going to happen thanks to GOP policy. We need the government to mandate a living wage Health Care daycare cheap college and Training and SS ID card to end illegal immigration, just like every other developed country..

Who the fuck is going to pay for all that? Stupid libs don't want to pay their taxes now. They are suing for a tax cut.

 

[Dschrute3]

Cant say that in my industry. We are currently looking for over 30,000 drivers we can't find. Americans don't want to do that kind of work for any money. Some of them are very good paying; close to six figures in some cases.

Drugs are a huge problem in this country. A shipper at a company that we pickup from often told me they need 14 new employees, so they had a seminar for new applicants that had about 45 people. The HR person conducting the seminar told everybody right up front that they drug screen all employees. Over half of the people walked out at that point. He went on further to say that their drug screening uses hair samples, and another 15 walked out.

They hired about six people, and none of them made it past the first few weeks. They were unproductive workers, always texting instead of working, incapable of understanding basic concepts of system operations.

The job starts out at $15.50 per hour, but he told me you quickly move up to $19.50 per hour as you learn new processes in the company. It's a union job as well, so if you're willing to work, they are willing to pay you.

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

Everything Reagan started drug testing the government workers and contractors... Where have you been?
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

I actually agree with you for the most part on drug testing in the workplace. It's gotten out of control. Predictably, it's being abused. It's become an invasion of privacy overreach.

I mean, drug testing a lowly Walmart worker? They're already being degraded enough, accepting such a shitty job. I can understand drug testing with certain occupations, but it's clearly being abused now. Thankfully, more & more businesses are moving towards ditching the practice.

That's not what I've seen. I've seen more and more companies adopting drug screening.

The trend is beginning to reverse. I mean, i get drug testing in certain professions, but it's gotten out of control. It's become an invasion of privacy issue. How much will we allow businesses to own folks? There's a personal life, and there's a work life. We need to get back to allowing separation.

 

[JBond]

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

Government is good for some things but not most. That's why our founders listed in the Constitution what our federal government is responsible for. Government is supposed to provide good for all people--not people of a particular party or group while ignoring or taking away from others.

Exactly what the GOP has been doing the last 35 years, a giveaway to the rich and screwing the rest d u h....

What exactly is being "given" to the rich? Are you referring to the income they earned? Regarding the poor, we spent a trillion dollars on them last year. What the hell happened?

If you count all taxes we now have a flat tax system, which itself is a giveaway to the rich...

pure insanity.

 

[francoHFW]

Workers elsewhere have a lot more privacy than we do, and drug and alcohol testing is prohibited. Thanks GOP.
U.S. Drug-Testing Rules Do Not Translate Overseas

Drug testing has been going on for the last couple of decades. WTF do you mean "thanks GOP?" WTF does a political party have to do with private industry drug testing applicants and employees?

Everything Reagan started drug testing the government workers and contractors... Where have you been?
The GOP's Drug-Testing Dragnet

He didn't make it the law of the land and businesses didn't start doing it because of Reagan. You blame thunderstorms on Reagan because you know nothing about politics. Businesses get cheaper rates on Workman's Compensation insurance if they drug test. That's what it's all about. It's why teachers, police officers and firemen don't take drug tests in many cases; because government doesn't care about saving taxpayers money.

And that's how the GOP got everybody drug testing d u h...

It seems that every time you post you try to make it dumber than the last. Congrats, you met your goal today.

Thanks for giving us all an example of how Reaganist government gave us drug testing everywhere... There are other examples d u h....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

i'm gonna raise the dreaded word: "IQ"...you have to be pretty high on the IQ scale to have to be trainable for the jobs that are created...Amazon just automated their warehouses, for example

Amazon has developed a pretty nasty reputation in regards to how it treats its workers. They not only endure shitty wages, they're constantly harassed by management. Their every movement is electronically tracked. They're basically slaves.

$10-11 an hour and constantly harassed, isn't a pleasant way to spend your day. Meanwhile, Amazon continues to rake in $Billions. So i can understand folks' frustration about having their privacy invaded as well. No one wants to be a slave.

Nobody has to be. It's an option.

Amazon should be ashamed of itself for how it treats its workers. But i'm sure it isn't. The $Billions continue to roll in.

Amazon is building a huge distribution center here. They are providing a lot of jobs. We may even get some work out of it because we have several box companies as customers.

According to the articles I read about the project, it doesn't sound like they treat their workers all that badly. A friend of mine who works next door told me they have 178 docks.

But even if the jobs were not great, people are welcome to go wherever they think they are treated better. Nobody is going into the street, mugging people, dragging them into Walmart or Amazon and forcing them to labor.

 

[francoHFW]

any transfer of wealth from a rich person to a poor person is a good thing!

Greedy little fucker. Always wanting other peoples money. Go create something useful. A company, and idea, hell just get up and go to work already. Go earn your money, like the people you are envious of.

And tell your liberal turd friends to stop fighting paying their fair share of income tax. So greedy...

status quo? STATUS QUO?

you're happy with the way things are?! you're happy with all this income inequality? you're happy with Trump cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for the poor? SHAME. ON. YOU.

Income inequality is term made up by lazy greedy liberals to package socialism to the masses. Shame on you!

I earned my money. I suggest you try to do the same, instead of begging me to pay your way for you.

Democrats want tax cuts for you, stupid. Breaking news... You are not rich
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2qV-VKtt-3HuFAKBQoZNI6

 

[francoHFW]

You commies might not believe this, but people can do just fine without government wiping their ass every time they go to the bathroom. If you want to be rich, work at it, nobody is stopping you. If you want an advanced education, pay for it, nobody is stopping you, if you want to learn a trade, learn it, nobody is stopping you.

If you people had to live without government one day in your life you'd starve to death. Our founders would be ashamed with such a society today.

Are you rich? Do you have an advanced education? No, you drive a truck. And without government you have nothing. Where you going to drive that truck with no roads?

Government is good for some things but not most. That's why our founders listed in the Constitution what our federal government is responsible for. Government is supposed to provide good for all people--not people of a particular party or group while ignoring or taking away from others.

Exactly what the GOP has been doing the last 35 years, a giveaway to the rich and screwing the rest d u h....

Government doesn't give away anything to the rich--all they do is take less.

I am curious who these liberal loons believe pay all the bills. The successful pay for nearly everything.

B*******.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2qV-VKtt-3HuFAKBQoZNI6

 

[JBond]

any transfer of wealth from a rich person to a poor person is a good thing!

Greedy little fucker. Always wanting other peoples money. Go create something useful. A company, and idea, hell just get up and go to work already. Go earn your money, like the people you are envious of.

And tell your liberal turd friends to stop fighting paying their fair share of income tax. So greedy...

status quo? STATUS QUO?

you're happy with the way things are?! you're happy with all this income inequality? you're happy with Trump cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for the poor? SHAME. ON. YOU.

Income inequality is term made up by lazy greedy liberals to package socialism to the masses. Shame on you!

I earned my money. I suggest you try to do the same, instead of begging me to pay your way for you.

Democrats want tax cuts for you, stupid. Breaking news... You are not rich
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.da3c8868fc6e&ved=2ahUKEwjs84TkjsDcAhVi04MKHaSwBWcQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2qV-VKtt-3HuFAKBQoZNI6

Good grief you are dumb. Companies pay the payroll tax, not the fucking employee. Shit for brains libs. Absolutely clueless.

 

[francoHFW]

any transfer of wealth from a rich person to a poor person is a good thing!

Greedy little fucker. Always wanting other peoples money. Go create something useful. A company, and idea, hell just get up and go to work already. Go earn your money, like the people you are envious of.

And tell your liberal turd friends to stop fighting paying their fair share of income tax. So greedy...

status quo? STATUS QUO?

you're happy with the way things are?! you're happy with all this income inequality? you're happy with Trump cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for the poor? SHAME. ON. YOU.

Income inequality is term made up by lazy greedy liberals to package socialism to the masses. Shame on you!

I earned my money. I suggest you try to do the same, instead of begging me to pay your way for you.

for someone who doesnt want to defend the status quo, you sure are making the same old arguments!

Get a job. Stop begging. Come on man, get your shit together.

Idiot, wanting to help the unfortunate does not mean you are one... The dupes can't see past their own nose, a disgrace...

 

[Dschrute3]

i'm gonna raise the dreaded word: "IQ"...you have to be pretty high on the IQ scale to have to be trainable for the jobs that are created...Amazon just automated their warehouses, for example

Amazon has developed a pretty nasty reputation in regards to how it treats its workers. They not only endure shitty wages, they're constantly harassed by management. Their every movement is electronically tracked. They're basically slaves.

$10-11 an hour and constantly harassed, isn't a pleasant way to spend your day. Meanwhile, Amazon continues to rake in $Billions. So i can understand folks' frustration about having their privacy invaded as well. No one wants to be a slave.

Nobody has to be. It's an option.

Amazon should be ashamed of itself for how it treats its workers. But i'm sure it isn't. The $Billions continue to roll in.

Amazon is building a huge distribution center here. They are providing a lot of jobs. We may even get some work out of it because we have several box companies as customers.

According to the articles I read about the project, it doesn't sound like they treat their workers all that badly. A friend of mine who works next door told me they have 178 docks.

But even if the jobs were not great, people are welcome to go wherever they think they are treated better. Nobody is going into the street, mugging people, dragging them into Walmart or Amazon and forcing them to labor.

I've seen it before. I'm sure they got some sweet tax breaks to head there. The people of your community are gonna be very disappointed in the end. The jobs will be shitty. Amazon doesn't pay well, and it treats workers like slaves.

So all those jumping for joy now, will be very solemn later. Amazon is there because it got sweet tax deals. It won't have to pay any taxes into your community, and the jobs will suck. McDonalds and Taco Bell jobs are actually better. And that says it all about how bad Amazon blows.

 

[JBond]

Greedy little fucker. Always wanting other peoples money. Go create something useful. A company, and idea, hell just get up and go to work already. Go earn your money, like the people you are envious of.

And tell your liberal turd friends to stop fighting paying their fair share of income tax. So greedy...

status quo? STATUS QUO?

you're happy with the way things are?! you're happy with all this income inequality? you're happy with Trump cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for the poor? SHAME. ON. YOU.

Income inequality is term made up by lazy greedy liberals to package socialism to the masses. Shame on you!

I earned my money. I suggest you try to do the same, instead of begging me to pay your way for you.

for someone who doesnt want to defend the status quo, you sure are making the same old arguments!

Get a job. Stop begging. Come on man, get your shit together.

Idiot, wanting to help the unfortunate does not mean you are one... The dupes can't see past their own nose, a disgrace...

We spend a trillion dollars every year on the poor. Don't forget the additional $380 billion in charity. There is plenty of money.

 

[francoHFW]

any transfer of wealth from a rich person to a poor person is a good thing!

Greedy little fucker. Always wanting other peoples money. Go create something useful. A company, and idea, hell just get up and go to work already. Go earn your money, like the people you are envious of.

And tell your liberal turd friends to stop fighting paying their fair share of income tax. So greedy...

status quo? STATUS QUO?

you're happy with the way things are?! you're happy with all this income inequality? you're happy with Trump cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for the poor? SHAME. ON. YOU.

Income inequality is term made up by lazy greedy liberals to package socialism to the masses. Shame on you!

I earned my money. I suggest you try to do the same, instead of begging me to pay your way for you.

Democrats want tax cuts for you, stupid. Breaking news... You are not rich
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/?utm_term=.da3c8868fc6e&ved=2ahUKEwjs84TkjsDcAhVi04MKHaSwBWcQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2qV-VKtt-3HuFAKBQoZNI6

Good grief you are dumb. Companies pay the payroll tax, not the fucking employee. Shit for brains libs. Absolutely clueless.

Wrong again, super duper...
Perhaps one of the best-kept secrets of payroll taxes is that employees effectively pay almost the entire payroll tax, instead of splitting the burden with their employers.

This is because tax incidence is not determined by law, but by markets. In fact, the person who is required to pay a tax to the federal government is often different than the person who bears the tax burden. Usually, the marketplace decides how the tax burden is divided between buyers and sellers, based on which party is more sensitive to changes in prices (economists call this “relative price elasticities”).

It turns out that the supply of labor – that is, workers’ willingness to work – is much less sensitive to taxes than the demand for labor – or employers’ willingness to hire. This is because workers who need a job are not as responsive to changes in wages, but businesses are able to “shop around” for the best workers or shift production to different locations. The graph below roughly illustrates how the labor market distributes the payroll tax burden. The fact that the labor supply line is steeper than the labor demand line is a way of showing that workers are less sensitive to changes in wages than employers.
What Are Payroll Taxes and Who Pays Them? - Tax Foundation

 

[beagle9]

Ok, so does this allow companies to pay even cheaper wages than they would otherwise pay in a situation where such a thing doesn't exist ?? Is this a subsidy for employers paid for by the American taxpayers to subsidize their workforces just like the welfare programs were being accessed by military soldiers and McDonald's employees etc ??

How much of the $18,000 dollars do you think a company will use to subsidize the employee's pay, otherwise by what it will pay that employee knowing this bullcrap exist ??

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

That's the case now, where as we have EBT, Apartment subsidies, welfare, free cell phones, free internet, free busing, free medical, otherwise everything that's needed to live free, and yes the effect has been to not seek a job because of it all.

The UBI will make it worse in many ways in which has already been complained about for decades now, and the working class is tired of paying for the free rides of abled body citizens to lay upon their aces doing nothing all day or taking a job that pays nothing meaningful where as they still qualify for the freebies while the employer gets to have his or her huge cake and eat it too.

No it would do just the opposite because the people you describe with all that government stuff would never be able to have all of that with Universal Income. They wouldn't be able to have five kids, eat like a king, live in the suburbs. 18K just wouldn't accommodate that. They would have to work for all the stuff you listed instead of getting it for nothing from the government like they do today.

You think it would be contained to $18,000 a year ??? ROTFLMBO. I got some water front land in AZ to sell to ya if you believe that bullcrap. Do you think that public assistance started out at the levels that it is at now ????

Nope, but put it into the bill that 18K is the law of the land. No more and no less.

What bill, and who is supporting or came up with such a bill ?? Might explain alot.

To answer your first part, uhh yeah until Demon-crats take power again, then all bets are off.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

i'm gonna raise the dreaded word: "IQ"...you have to be pretty high on the IQ scale to have to be trainable for the jobs that are created...Amazon just automated their warehouses, for example

Amazon has developed a pretty nasty reputation in regards to how it treats its workers. They not only endure shitty wages, they're constantly harassed by management. Their every movement is electronically tracked. They're basically slaves.

$10-11 an hour and constantly harassed, isn't a pleasant way to spend your day. Meanwhile, Amazon continues to rake in $Billions. So i can understand folks' frustration about having their privacy invaded as well. No one wants to be a slave.

Nobody has to be. It's an option.

Amazon should be ashamed of itself for how it treats its workers. But i'm sure it isn't. The $Billions continue to roll in.

Amazon is building a huge distribution center here. They are providing a lot of jobs. We may even get some work out of it because we have several box companies as customers.

According to the articles I read about the project, it doesn't sound like they treat their workers all that badly. A friend of mine who works next door told me they have 178 docks.

But even if the jobs were not great, people are welcome to go wherever they think they are treated better. Nobody is going into the street, mugging people, dragging them into Walmart or Amazon and forcing them to labor.

I've seen it before. I'm sure they got some sweet tax breaks to head there. The people of your community are gonna be very disappointed in the end. The jobs will be shitty. Amazon doesn't pay well, and it treats workers like slaves.

So all those jumping for joy now, will be very solemn later. Amazon is there because it got sweet tax deals. It won't have to pay any taxes into your community, and the jobs will suck. McDonalds and Taco Bell jobs are actually better. And that says it all about how bad Amazon blows.

I guess that remains to be seen, but you don't build a place that large if you know you can't get employees.

Yes, they got a tax break to come here. And why not? There was nothing there but an old mall that's been closed for many years; just an eyesore to the community. But in the 70's it was the largest and most state of the art mall in the entire country. That's how big the place is.

They also bought another closed mall about 15 miles away and plan on doing the same thing. I think it's pretty exciting.

 

[beagle9]

i'm gonna raise the dreaded word: "IQ"...you have to be pretty high on the IQ scale to have to be trainable for the jobs that are created...Amazon just automated their warehouses, for example

Amazon has developed a pretty nasty reputation in regards to how it treats its workers. They not only endure shitty wages, they're constantly harassed by management. Their every movement is electronically tracked. They're basically slaves.

$10-11 an hour and constantly harassed, isn't a pleasant way to spend your day. Meanwhile, Amazon continues to rake in $Billions. So i can understand folks' frustration about having their privacy invaded as well. No one wants to be a slave.

Nobody has to be. It's an option.

Amazon should be ashamed of itself for how it treats its workers. But i'm sure it isn't. The $Billions continue to roll in.

Amazon is building a huge distribution center here. They are providing a lot of jobs. We may even get some work out of it because we have several box companies as customers.

According to the articles I read about the project, it doesn't sound like they treat their workers all that badly. A friend of mine who works next door told me they have 178 docks.

But even if the jobs were not great, people are welcome to go wherever they think they are treated better. Nobody is going into the street, mugging people, dragging them into Walmart or Amazon and forcing them to labor.

I've seen it before. I'm sure they got some sweet tax breaks to head there. The people of your community are gonna be very disappointed in the end. The jobs will be shitty. Amazon doesn't pay well, and it treats workers like slaves.

So all those jumping for joy now, will be very solemn later. Amazon is there because it got sweet tax deals. It won't have to pay any taxes into your community, and the jobs will suck. McDonalds and Taco Bell jobs are actually better. And that says it all about how bad Amazon blows.

Hey, just look at the corruption concerning the postal service and shipping they were caught in... Explains another piece of their sorry character maybe ??

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think UI will have anything to do with employee pay. Supply and Demand will always exist. Why would an employer try to pay workers less when they have an option like just living off of UI? If anything, it would be the opposite. Companies would have to offer more to get people to work for them.

That's the case now, where as we have EBT, Apartment subsidies, welfare, free cell phones, free internet, free busing, free medical, otherwise everything that's needed to live free, and yes the effect has been to not seek a job because of it all.

The UBI will make it worse in many ways in which has already been complained about for decades now, and the working class is tired of paying for the free rides of abled body citizens to lay upon their aces doing nothing all day or taking a job that pays nothing meaningful where as they still qualify for the freebies while the employer gets to have his or her huge cake and eat it too.

No it would do just the opposite because the people you describe with all that government stuff would never be able to have all of that with Universal Income. They wouldn't be able to have five kids, eat like a king, live in the suburbs. 18K just wouldn't accommodate that. They would have to work for all the stuff you listed instead of getting it for nothing from the government like they do today.

You think it would be contained to $18,000 a year ??? ROTFLMBO. I got some water front land in AZ to sell to ya if you believe that bullcrap. Do you think that public assistance started out at the levels that it is at now ????

Nope, but put it into the bill that 18K is the law of the land. No more and no less.

What bill, and who is supporting or came up with such a bill ?? Might explain alot.

To answer your first part, uhh yeah until Demon-crats take power again, then all bets are off.

Of course there is no bill, it's just the topic of the discussion. But let's say that Democrats gain control and it would happen. Well......it's going to happen anyway with our social programs, so why not everybody benefit?