The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[docmauser1]

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

Kewl! So, who was that sheikh, shakh, emir, pasha, sultan, president, prime-minister of that "palestine" to have some territory?

 

[toastman]

I gave you a link showing that Israel captured that territory . The fact that you asked for documentation is another 'Tinmore Pre requisite'


"It is Palestine on both sides"



Keep telling yourself that. Everything inside the green line is Israels land. And Israel has internationally recognized boundaries with Egypt and Jordan. .
So, you're wrong. Again. For like the 500th time.

:

If that is Israel's land why does it not have a border? Not even Israel recognized the green line as its border.

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land.

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

 

[toastman]

Who says there needs to be documentation? They captured land ALLOTTED to the Palestinian in the partition plan. It doesn't say they captured Palestinian Territory.
That land is now inside the green line and inside Israel's internationally recognized borders. Recognized by the U.N AND the P.A .

Still ducking out on providing that link?

It is true. Allotted only means set aside for a purpose. The allotted land for the Jewish state and the Arab state were to be given to the respective states in the implementation of resolution 181 that didn't happen.

The Green Line is the international recognized de facto border. It is not a real border so it is Palestine on both sides.

I gave you a link showing that Israel captured that territory . The fact that you asked for documentation is another 'Tinmore Pre requisite'


"It is Palestine on both sides"



Keep telling yourself that. Everything inside the green line is Israels land. And Israel has internationally recognized boundaries with Egypt and Jordan. .
So, you're wrong. Again. For like the 500th time.

:

If that is Israel's land why does it not have a border? Not even Israel recognized the green line as its border.

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land.

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

Your link is from 1967 and was referring to Sovereign territory captured by Israel. We were talking about the 1948 war where Israel captured land ALLOTTED to the Palestinian. They didn't capture sovereign territory.

 

[toastman]

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

1949 when the UN accepted them as a nation under the UN charter, it was the signing of the armistice that swung it. It is still referred to as Palestine today as it denotes an undefined area in the M.E. that is for ever changing.

An undefined area with international borders.

Good one!

Palestine does not have international borders. You can't even produce a map that shows these alleged borders that doesn't say 'Partition Plan' on it LOL

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is some truth here, but the interpretation is wrong.

You can't say "the Palestinians" when it is only some who are around Ramallah.

They already had the right to national sovereignty and independence without the resolution.

(COMMENT)

The PLO (the sole representative of the Palestinians) declared independence. This is recognized throughout the Arab World.

As for the "right to national sovereignty and independence:" I have the right to own a "Pot of Gold" --- but I have to work for it. Having a "right" and exercising that "right" are two different things. The Arab Palestinian have been not been able to establish a country that can stand on its own for the last quarter of a century. And don't blame Israel. All it would have taken in 1988 was a Peace Treaty. But no --- they couldn't even do that. They could do it then and they can't do it now. They couldn't even remain loyal to the King of Jordan; who was trying to protect them.

Most Respectfully,
R

"The Arab Palestinian have been not been able to establish a country that can stand on its own for the last quarter of a century."

Indeed, it is called illegal external interference.

Internal not external.

What he forgets is that it is the arab league that are exerting the illegal external interference

That may be true with Jordan. Jordan accepted a deal from the Zionists/Britain to get $3M a year for five years and the West Bank to not attack Israel in a pre war agreement.

However, that just means that Jordan was in cahoots with the Zionists/Britain in their illegal external interference.

Got a link for the first statement ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

If that is Israel's land why does it not have a border? Not even Israel recognized the green line as its border.

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land.

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

 

[Phoenall]

"The Arab Palestinian have been not been able to establish a country that can stand on its own for the last quarter of a century."

Indeed, it is called illegal external interference.

Internal not external.

What he forgets is that it is the arab league that are exerting the illegal external interference

That may be true with Jordan. Jordan accepted a deal from the Zionists/Britain to get $3M a year for five years and the West Bank to not attack Israel in a pre war agreement.

However, that just means that Jordan was in cahoots with the Zionists/Britain in their illegal external interference.

Nope the arab league denied the Palestinians the right to declare independence until after the cut off date. Then denied them the right of return when it was offered by Israel. Since 1948 it has been the arab league that has been the external illegal interference

What is the cut off date for inalienable rights?

Link?

In the case of UN res 181 it was stated that the declaration had to be in by a certain date or it would not be entertained. This in no way alters their rights in any way as they could resubmit the declaration at a later date, which they did in 1988, but have not acted on it since and still have not shown that they are capable of free determination or that they are capable of forming a viable government

 

[toastman]

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read..

Where did you read "divided Palestine into three area of occupation?"

 

[Phoenall]

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Try again as Palestine in 1919 took in what was to become Syria, Iraq, Jordan, part of Lebanon, part of Egypt and part of Saudi. This left less than 7% of the total area of Palestine that you claim is the only Palestine that ever existed and is the only part that is of concern.
The fact remains that no representative from the Palestinians has ever signed any treaty or agreement, and at no time was Palestine mentioned as a state in any UN resolution until 1988.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Internal not external.

What he forgets is that it is the arab league that are exerting the illegal external interference

That may be true with Jordan. Jordan accepted a deal from the Zionists/Britain to get $3M a year for five years and the West Bank to not attack Israel in a pre war agreement.

However, that just means that Jordan was in cahoots with the Zionists/Britain in their illegal external interference.

Nope the arab league denied the Palestinians the right to declare independence until after the cut off date. Then denied them the right of return when it was offered by Israel. Since 1948 it has been the arab league that has been the external illegal interference

What is the cut off date for inalienable rights?

Link?

In the case of UN res 181 it was stated that the declaration had to be in by a certain date or it would not be entertained. This in no way alters their rights in any way as they could resubmit the declaration at a later date, which they did in 1988, but have not acted on it since and still have not shown that they are capable of free determination or that they are capable of forming a viable government

The Palestinian's right to independence and sovereignty are independent from resolution 181.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Try again as Palestine in 1919 took in what was to become Syria, Iraq, Jordan, part of Lebanon, part of Egypt and part of Saudi. This left less than 7% of the total area of Palestine that you claim is the only Palestine that ever existed and is the only part that is of concern.
The fact remains that no representative from the Palestinians has ever signed any treaty or agreement, and at no time was Palestine mentioned as a state in any UN resolution until 1988.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read..

Where did you read "divided Palestine into three area of occupation?"

— Memo US Department of State, 4 May 1949, FRUS, 1949, p. 973.: "One of the most important problems which must be clared up before a lasting peace can be established in Palestine is the question of the more than 700,000 Arab refugees who during the Palestine conflict fled from their homes in what is now Israeli occupied territory and are at present living as refugees in Arab Palestine and the neighbouring Arab states.";​

FRUS Foreign relations of the United States 1949. The Near East South Asia and Africa Israel

Edit:
The armistice lines were known afterwards as the "Green Line". The Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) were occupied by Egypt and Jordan respectively.

1948 Arab Israeli War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read..

Where did you read "divided Palestine into three area of occupation?"

— Memo US Department of State, 4 May 1949, FRUS, 1949, p. 973.: "One of the most important problems which must be clared up before a lasting peace can be established in Palestine is the question of the more than 700,000 Arab refugees who during the Palestine conflict fled from their homes in what is now Israeli occupied territory and are at present living as refugees in Arab Palestine and the neighbouring Arab states.";​

FRUS Foreign relations of the United States 1949. The Near East South Asia and Africa Israel

First off, Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. This is just a simple fact that you cannot deny:

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary

Peace Treaty between Israel and Egypt - Non-UN document 26 March 1979

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan

A 50 73-S 1995 83 of 27 January 1995

If that is Israel's land there should be documents showing when it acquired the land

We've been through this many many many times. Acquiring land is a real estate issue and not related to this. The need for their to be documentation to show how Israel acquired land is a 'Tinmore Pre - requisite'

Oh really. Then what does this mean?

"Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war..."

S RES 242 1967 of 22 November 1967

The attempts Palestinians does to claim Israel.

You have that backwards.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...​

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.​

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949

In 1949 that territory was Palestine. When did Israel acquire that territory?

The armistice agreements were between Israel and several other states. Not Palestine and other states. You're asking irrelevant questions

Palestine was at the center of the agreements because they divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

What does that have to with your three area of occupation lie?
If it says Israeli occupied territory, it's obviouwky referring to the West Bank.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You almost have it right. See Posting in the alternate thread.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

(COMMENT)

"Statehood" is a manifestation and evidence that the "right to self-determination" (sovereignty and independence) were successfully exercised.

As the Hostile Arab Palestinian already know, from the 1970 attempts to kill HM The King of the Hashemite Kingdom, such attempts can fail and be crushed. Just having the "right" doesn't mean that the there is not a measure of successful implementation required (actual work).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You almost have it right. See Posting in the alternate thread.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

(COMMENT)

"Statehood" is a manifestation and evidence that the "right to self-determination" (sovereignty and independence) were successfully exercised.

As the Hostile Arab Palestinian already know, from the 1970 attempts to kill HM The King of the Hashemite Kingdom, such attempts can fail and be crushed. Just having the "right" doesn't mean that the there is not a measure of successful implementation required (actual work).

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, it would require the removal of illegal external interference.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You almost have it right. See Posting in the alternate thread.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

(COMMENT)

"Statehood" is a manifestation and evidence that the "right to self-determination" (sovereignty and independence) were successfully exercised.

As the Hostile Arab Palestinian already know, from the 1970 attempts to kill HM The King of the Hashemite Kingdom, such attempts can fail and be crushed. Just having the "right" doesn't mean that the there is not a measure of successful implementation required (actual work).

Most Respectfully,
R

I love it how this clown accuse the people who have been dispossessed and are held in virtual concentration camps, hostile. You are truly a piece of work terrone.

 

[Slyhunter]

Coyote, et al,

This is an essential point.

But you have people living there now, in the West Bank, who have been there for along time - who some here are stating should categorically kicked off the land (ethnically cleansed), to another country so that region can be inhabited by others who seem to me to have no more right to it then they do.

Both sides are stuck in that same rut.

Have you forgotten Israel's many pre-conditions over the years?

(COMMENT)

There is a very good argument, to be made on the part of the Arab Palestinian, relative to the Settlement Issue and the Oslo Accords.

But I'm not sure that anyone (in authority) on the Arab Palestinian side of the talks is actually interested in serious negotiations.

Who, actually, wants to sit down and talk about solutions?

Most Respectively,
R

tell us your solution...

Fight until everyone on one side or the other is dead.
Problem solved.

 

[Daniyel]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You almost have it right. See Posting in the alternate thread.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

(COMMENT)

"Statehood" is a manifestation and evidence that the "right to self-determination" (sovereignty and independence) were successfully exercised.

As the Hostile Arab Palestinian already know, from the 1970 attempts to kill HM The King of the Hashemite Kingdom, such attempts can fail and be crushed. Just having the "right" doesn't mean that the there is not a measure of successful implementation required (actual work).

Most Respectfully,
R

I love it how this clown accuse the people who have been dispossessed and are held in virtual concentration camps, hostile. You are truly a piece of work terrone.

Haha talking about clowns you and Tinmore are both an excellent example, trying to justify false street justice wrapped with pretty words, to cure your wounded conscience with you blind premature racism, filth.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You almost have it right. See Posting in the alternate thread.

"A state" is not necessary. The right to sovereignty pre dates statehood.

(COMMENT)

"Statehood" is a manifestation and evidence that the "right to self-determination" (sovereignty and independence) were successfully exercised.

As the Hostile Arab Palestinian already know, from the 1970 attempts to kill HM The King of the Hashemite Kingdom, such attempts can fail and be crushed. Just having the "right" doesn't mean that the there is not a measure of successful implementation required (actual work).

Most Respectfully,
R

I love it how this clown accuse the people who have been dispossessed and are held in virtual concentration camps, hostile. You are truly a piece of work terrone.

You and Tinmore are quite possibly the biggest clowns here. You guys both make a good propaganda team !

You know, Rocco never insults anyone and he posts with respect all the time, yet you manage to insult him all the time. It not only shows how immature you are, but it also shows that you can't handle the truth that Rocco speaks.

 

[pbel]

Coyote, et al,

This is an essential point.

But you have people living there now, in the West Bank, who have been there for along time - who some here are stating should categorically kicked off the land (ethnically cleansed), to another country so that region can be inhabited by others who seem to me to have no more right to it then they do.

Both sides are stuck in that same rut.

Have you forgotten Israel's many pre-conditions over the years?

(COMMENT)

There is a very good argument, to be made on the part of the Arab Palestinian, relative to the Settlement Issue and the Oslo Accords.

But I'm not sure that anyone (in authority) on the Arab Palestinian side of the talks is actually interested in serious negotiations.

Who, actually, wants to sit down and talk about solutions?

Most Respectively,
R

tell us your solution...

Fight until everyone on one side or the other is dead.
Problem solved.

OK, arm the Palestinians with the same armaments and make it a fair fight.