The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[montelatici]

If the U.S. were blockaded and Americans were forced to live under occupation, Americans would fire rockets and anything else they could find at the occupier.

 

[Kondor3]

"Palestine" - a failed country-wannabe that never truly got off the ground; a 'thing'
that evaporated faster and faster in ever-diminishing circles, until eventually
it disappeared up its own arsehole - vanishing like a fart in the wind, leaving
behind nothing of value but a bad memory and a stink, and missed by very few...

Tick... tick... tick...

 

[teddyearp]

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

... - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

So how is it that the 'Moslems' outbred the Jews and Christians by almost 200%, Sara? That is what 'natural increase' means isn't it? I call foul and say that your source is wrong, very wrong. Any thinking person can look at this and see the same.

 

[teddyearp]

<snip>The Muslims<snip> attacked no one.

Hmm, really?

 

[teddyearp]

That's a matter of perspective isn't it. I see Hamas as defending itself and standing up for what is right.

Yet when Israel defends itself, it is called 'murder', massacre', and 'genocide'.

 

[teddyearp]

I think Egypt should take in the Palestinians refuges once Israel banishes them from the region, and perhaps Egypt would be kind enough to give them some land too. They have PLENTY to spare.

Too bad that is was considered false that Egypt offered a part of the Sinai to the Gazans.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

If the U.S. were blockaded and Americans were forced to live under occupation, Americans would fire rockets and anything else they could find at the occupier.

You must think thunder causes lightning, so thoroughly do you reverse the cause with the effect here.

 

[teddyearp]

Pbel every once in a while goes with a thread like "The World is.. " and bad stuff against Israel...anything else?

Good one Daniyel, good one. To answer your question. Nope not much else.

 

[Coyote]

The "majority" were not "illegal immigrants" - time for that meme to be put to rest. Even given the notoriously inexact data - the highest estimate for "illegal" Arab immigration is well below any "majority". There was also Jewish immigration, both legal and illegal. The Palestinians have as much "ancestral rights" as the Jews do to Palestine.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

No, they don't have any rights. The land was partitioned and given to the Israels by the Brits (who owned the territory by mandate) after the first world war.

Yes, they do have rights. As the indiginous people, occupying that land when it was "partitioned". They absolutely have rights.

Let's put this religious ancestral rights crap to bed for good and focus on why Israel has the land today in modern times. It is because the country who owned the territory at the time, partitioned it in this way.

Absolutely agree. The events of thousands years ago or even WW1...now almost a century ago..have no rational bearing on modern rights.

The reality on the ground is this:

Israel exists, it's not going anywhere, so deal with it.

The Palestinians exist, they aren't going anywhere, so deal with it.

Right now, the Jews have achieved their state, and it has blossomed.

It is time for their Arab neighbors to accept this and acknowledge it.

It is also time for another wrong to be righted: the Palestinian people's right to self-determination needs to be recognized in the form of a state. The Arabs need to quit using them as a paws for their own political ends and get serious about pressuring Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel and Israel needs to stop it's policy of land theft and settlement building. Neither side is going to get the entire territory and I don't think one state is a feasable solution, too much hate and distrust on both sides. So...start with 1967 borders, and negotiate landswaps...maybe.

Wrong. The legal partitioning of the land is completely relevant. The so-called "palestinians" (which everyone know is MADE UP by the Egyptians - the "palestinians" are nothing but Egyptian/Jordanian nomads - LOL), have no "rights" to Gaza or any of the land that Israel occupies.

Which legal partitioning - there have been multiple ones - do you get to pick and choose?

It doesn't matter what you call the Palestinians. The name might have been a recent term but the people have existed there for much longer. This is a typical argument made for the sole purpose of diminishing the rights of a people.

Israel WON additional land when Egypt tried to attack her. Israel is under NO obligation to give up any land to the Egyptians/palestinians. They attacked Israel over the land, and they lost . . . badly. They will LOSE this time too, and it is their own fault.

Seems to me that if Israel wishes to be part of the international community then it needs to abide by agreed upon codes - laws that Israel itself is perfectly willing to use when needed. But - say that you are right, if someone gains land in war, they are a llowed to keep it. So, they keep Westbank and Gaza, that gives them an extra 4.4 million citizens but messes up the demographics.

Are you kidding me? Israel should tell the international community to screw. Israel has to worry about HER citizens. That is the priority for Israel. Like it or not, if the "pallys" don't stop with their terrorist tactics, they will more than likely be wiped out.

Israel should push them back into Egypt where they should be. Israel has done many, many acts of kindness and good for those ingrates, and whenever they TRY to treat them like human beings, they pay a price for it. I don't blame them one bit. They would be STUPID to listen to the likes of you.

hmmm...what's the difference then between "pushing them back into Egypt" and "pushing them into the sea"?

You are advocating Ethnic Cleansing of a people who have lived on that land for millenia.

Israel is no Angel either.

 

[teddyearp]

"They gave it to Israel,"

Could you document that?

Could you refute that? Without going around and around in your tiny little circles in your pretzel little mind, again? Remember the original "Mandate for Palestine"? More than half was given to the Arab/Muslim factions to create their own countries.

 

[Coyote]

This brings me back round to why don't the Palestinians attack the Brits? It's because they are ignorant cowards and bigots.

What would be the point?

That is who is responsible for their current predicament, right? I think it's wonderful that Israel is there in the ME to keep a little bit of sanity amongst the insane and brainwashed over in the middle east. They contribute good things to the world and are good people. I think they should push the palestinians into Egypt and let Egypt deal with them. They are a creation of the Egyptians anyways.

So you support ethnic cleansing even though many of them are indiginous the Palestine?

Ethnic cleansing? No. War? Yes. The act of lobbing bombs into Israel is an act of war that should be taken seriously when you are a country with citizens who matter to you.

Should they hold back? No, they should not. They should hit them with everything they can. Maybe THEN they will stop.

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of making it ethnically or religiously homogeneous. The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), as well as mass murder, and intimidation.

 

[teddyearp]

All that was after Britain occupied Palestine with the Balfour declaration in its pocket and began colonizing Palestine on the behalf of the foreign Zionists.

Boy, do you ever need to re read your history lesson Tipmore.

 

[Coyote]

There ancestral lands were never in Palestine as the records show, even Winny told the house of commons that the majority were illegal immigrants back in 1939.

The "majority" were not "illegal immigrants" - time for that meme to be put to rest. Even given the notoriously inexact data - the highest estimate for "illegal" Arab immigration is well below any "majority". There was also Jewish immigration, both legal and illegal. The Palestinians have as much "ancestral rights" as the Jews do to Palestine.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

No, they don't have any rights. The land was partitioned and given to the Israels by the Brits (who owned the territory by mandate) after the first world war.

Yes, they do have rights. As the indiginous people, occupying that land when it was "partitioned". They absolutely have rights.

Let's put this religious ancestral rights crap to bed for good and focus on why Israel has the land today in modern times. It is because the country who owned the territory at the time, partitioned it in this way.

Absolutely agree. The events of thousands years ago or even WW1...now almost a century ago..have no rational bearing on modern rights.

The reality on the ground is this:

Israel exists, it's not going anywhere, so deal with it.

The Palestinians exist, they aren't going anywhere, so deal with it.

Right now, the Jews have achieved their state, and it has blossomed.

It is time for their Arab neighbors to accept this and acknowledge it.

It is also time for another wrong to be righted: the Palestinian people's right to self-determination needs to be recognized in the form of a state. The Arabs need to quit using them as a paws for their own political ends and get serious about pressuring Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel and Israel needs to stop it's policy of land theft and settlement building. Neither side is going to get the entire territory and I don't think one state is a feasable solution, too much hate and distrust on both sides. So...start with 1967 borders, and negotiate landswaps...maybe.

Wrong. The legal partitioning of the land is completely relevant. The so-called "palestinians" (which everyone know is MADE UP by the Egyptians - the "palestinians" are nothing but Egyptian/Jordanian nomads - LOL), have no "rights" to Gaza or any of the land that Israel occupies.

Israel WON additional land when Egypt tried to attack her. Israel is under NO obligation to give up any land to the Egyptians/palestinians. They attacked Israel over the land, and they lost . . . badly. They will LOSE this time too, and it is their own fault.

"The so-called "palestinians" (which everyone know is MADE UP by the Egyptians - the "palestinians" are nothing but Egyptian/Jordanian nomads - LOL),"

Only ignorant brainwashed idiots "know" or believe the Zionist propaganda. The Palestinians are and have always been the Christians and Muslims that lived in Palestine since Roman times. Just because some converted to Islam does not make them any less Palestinian.

This.

The Jews were European colonists, and will eventually end up like European colonists in places where the Europeans were not able to destroy the indigenous people. Algeria, Rhodesia, South Africa etc.

No. Many of them are also indiginous to Palestine.

Immigration occurred on both sides.

 

[teddyearp]

I don't recall seeing any documents of Britain transferring any land to Israel.

That's because you didn't read the links, obviously. Google it for yourself. I've already supplied PLENTY of data here.

Besides, if you are NOT aware of that fact, then I feel sorry for you. That's pretty darn sad.

I've seen a lot of "say so" but no documents.

that's because we get sick and tired of posting the same links and documents over and over and over and over and over again. Because once we do; suddenly you and your friends become silent in the thread they are posted in. Because then you are too busy creating other threads which would then require the same links and documents to refute you B.S. lies.

But I have learned long ago that this is your tactic. Once proven wrong, you do not admit, but move on.

 

[teddyearp]

I don't recall seeing any documents of Britain transferring any land to Israel.

I've seen a lot of "say so" but no documents.

WTF is wrong with you? You don't know history?

Sure I do, and I have never seen any document showing Britain transferring any land to Israel.

It tells all about it in the link. Sorry if you are incapable of reading comprehension, but I can't help you with that.

No ChrisL, you fully underestimate Tipmore's intelligence. He can read. He can comprehend. And then he can make several posts, all intended to twist away from the facts, slowly (very slowly) but very surely. He knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[teddyearp]

This brings me back round to why don't the Palestinians attack the Brits?<snip>

You are starting to hit the nail on the head.

 

[teddyearp]

This also makes me wonder what would the ME be like if Israel was not there.

I started one thread and posted in many others this very same thing. If the Israeli's had never decided to re settle themselves in the Middle East; and especially the area called "Palestine", the Arabs and Muslims would not and could not care less about it: and especially Jerusalem. It is only because the Jews were allowed to finally have a country of their own that this conflict has arose.

Otherwise, Jerusalem and Palestine would be just a tiny little backwater country.

 

[teddyearp]

Absolutely agree. The events of thousands years ago or even WW1...now almost a century ago..have no rational bearing on modern rights.

The reality on the ground is this:

Israel exists, it's not going anywhere, so deal with it.

The Palestinians exist, they aren't going anywhere, so deal with it.

Right now, the Jews have achieved their state, and it has blossomed.

It is time for their Arab neighbors to accept this and acknowledge it.

It is also time for another wrong to be righted: the Palestinian people's right to self-determination needs to be recognized in the form of a state. The Arabs need to quit using them as a pawns for their own political ends and get serious about pressuring Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel and Israel needs to stop it's policy of land theft and settlement building. Neither side is going to get the entire territory and I don't think one state is a feasable solution, too much hate and distrust on both sides. So...start with 1967 borders, and negotiate landswaps...maybe.

Yes, I agree as long as Israel gets to keep at least West Jerusalem.

 

[teddyearp]

However I did find this in your link:

The mandate was a legal and administrative instrument, not a geographical territory.

Britain had no land to give away.

Enter Tipmore's 'spin' zone . . . . .

 

[Coyote]

This brings me back round to why don't the Palestinians attack the Brits?<snip>

You are starting to hit the nail on the head.

Not really. What would be the point? What would they gain? No land. No state. Nothing but a wasted battle with an entity that is geographically distant.