There is no bigger threat to American Democracy than the GOP

[IcebergSlim]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

"Allowed to walk"?

Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they’re 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. “In Arizona,” says Voth, “someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich.”

By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.


The agents faced numerous obstacles in what they dubbed the Fast and Furious case. (They named it after the street-racing movie because the suspects drag raced cars together.) Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney’s office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect....

Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal



"2007"?



You're gonna want to fix that, Useful Idiot.....

 

[deanrd]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

You link to Wikipedia as "fact"?

And of course guns come from the US. They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

Worse, Wide Receiver actually started in 2006.

Funny is that many of the people supposedly involved are right wingers who hate Obama and would never work with him. And how would a guy from Hawaii even come up with a complicated and hair brained scheme.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Perhaps you ought to read from some REAL investigative reporting and not just parrot right wingernut conspiracies.

 

[easyt65]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

"Allowed to walk"?

Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they’re 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. “In Arizona,” says Voth, “someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich.”

By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.


The agents faced numerous obstacles in what they dubbed the Fast and Furious case. (They named it after the street-racing movie because the suspects drag raced cars together.) Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney’s office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect....

Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal



"2007"?



You're gonna want to fix that, Useful Idiot.....

...except OBAMA ADMITTED THAT HIS FEDERAL AGENTS HAD LOST TRACK OF WEAPONS SENT TO MEXICO AS PART OF HIS FAST AND FURIOUS PROGRAM...AND SHUT THE PROGRAM DOWN IN 2011...ESPECIALLY AFTER A US BORDER PATROL AGENT WAS MURDERED BY ONE OF THOSE GUNS.

Obama - Mr. 'Most Transparent Administration Evuh' refused to release documents, claimed 'Executive Privilege', and protected Holder from Prosecution. Yeah, 'Nothing to see here - move along!'


After so many people were killed with those guns, including the US BPA, the only one who ever got 'punished' for the f*ed program was Eric holder, who was Censured. (In any other job / business / company / administration where hundreds of people die as a result of a 'screw-up' someone usually gets fired. Not under Obama.)

 

[IcebergSlim]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

"Allowed to walk"?

Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they’re 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. “In Arizona,” says Voth, “someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich.”

By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.


The agents faced numerous obstacles in what they dubbed the Fast and Furious case. (They named it after the street-racing movie because the suspects drag raced cars together.) Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney’s office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect....

Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal



"2007"?



You're gonna want to fix that, Useful Idiot.....

...except OBAMA ADMITTED THAT HIS FEDERAL AGENTS HAD LOST TRACK OF WEAPONS SENT TO MEXICO AS PART OF HIS FAST AND FURIOUS PROGRAM...AND SHUT THE PROGRAM DOWN IN 2011...ESPECIALLY AFTER A US BORDER PATROL AGENT WAS MURDERED BY ONE OF THOSE GUNS.

Obama - Mr. 'Most Transparent Administration Evuh' refused to release documents, claimed 'Executive Privilege', and protected Holder from Prosecution. Yeah, 'Nothing to see here - move along!'

no.....there were no weapons "sent to Mexico"......ironically the only weapon DELIBERATELY provided to the bad guys was handed over by "The Whistleblower".....and it was NOT authorized.....

 

[IcebergSlim]

1. Voter suppression

2. Gerrymandering

3. Enormous transfer of wealth from the Middle Class to the top 1% (see Bush Tax Cuts for the rich, the current 600 billion tax cut plan for billionaires)

4. Racism

5. GOP litmus test on many issues

6. The embrace of Fascism.

7. The threat to women's rights

8. The anti middle class judiciary

9. Anti science

10. Disregard for the constitution

11. Donald Trump
a. Some Mexicans don't rape, a Mexican can't be a judge and similar racist statements.

b. More pro Russia than the Kremlin

c. Incompetence

d. Disregard for the constitution

----------------
You can flesh out any of these topics. There is simply an overwhelming amount of material and facts that the GOP is America's greatest threat. Russia is probably second, and North Korea a distant third.

And the list of who the GOP hates seems to grow daily.

Top Ten:

1. Gays
2. Blacks
3. Muslims
4. Jews
5. Hispanics
6. Liberals
7. Women's rights
8. Atheists
9. Reporters
10. College professors and scientists

And Trump's followers are so bold. No longer hiding in the shadow's. But bold, front and center:

LOL, you're on heroin.

As a sociopath I can see why you think so.

As a puckered up dripping anus I can see why you'd say so.

Have you been puckered up and dripping for long?

You should have that looked at......

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

You link to Wikipedia as "fact"?

And of course guns come from the US. They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

Worse, Wide Receiver actually started in 2006.

Funny is that many of the people supposedly involved are right wingers who hate Obama and would never work with him. And how would a guy from Hawaii even come up with a complicated and hair brained scheme.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Perhaps you ought to read from some REAL investigative reporting and not just parrot right wingernut conspiracies.

You can tell from a liberal that they never went to a gun show, just by them saying

They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

So far I have gone to over 20 gun shows, and every time I purchased a weapon, I have had to get a background check. So right there, you libfuckers are so full of shit spewing the liberal talking points. Just proves how stupid a liberal is.

 

[IcebergSlim]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

You link to Wikipedia as "fact"?

And of course guns come from the US. They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

Worse, Wide Receiver actually started in 2006.

Funny is that many of the people supposedly involved are right wingers who hate Obama and would never work with him. And how would a guy from Hawaii even come up with a complicated and hair brained scheme.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Perhaps you ought to read from some REAL investigative reporting and not just parrot right wingernut conspiracies.

There is nothing wrong with the WIKI entry, it is just entirely unrelated to IdiotEaze's Bold Assertion..........

 

[easyt65]

no.....there were no weapons "sent to Mexico"...

"So it was with one of this president’s earliest embarrassments, “Operation Fast and Furious,” designed to help the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) dismantle drug cartels operating inside the United States and disrupt drug-trafficking routes. Instead, it put into the hands of criminals south of the border some 2,000 weapons, which have been used to kill hundreds of Mexicans and at least one American, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry."

El Chapo’s Capture Puts ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Back in the Headlines

no.....there were no weapons "sent to Mexico"...

"(CNN) Here's some background information about Operation Fast and Furious. From 2009-2011, under Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Phoenix Field Division, along with other partners, allowed illegal gun sales, believed to be destined for Mexican drug cartels, in order to track the sellers and purchasers.
Facts:
An estimated 1,400 weapons were lost by the ATF in Mexico. Two of the missing weapons linked to the operation turned up at the Arizona murder scene of United States Border Patrol agent Brian Terry."

Operation Fast and Furious Fast Facts - CNN.com



I'm sorry, snowflake - did you say something?

 

[IcebergSlim]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

You link to Wikipedia as "fact"?

And of course guns come from the US. They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

Worse, Wide Receiver actually started in 2006.

Funny is that many of the people supposedly involved are right wingers who hate Obama and would never work with him. And how would a guy from Hawaii even come up with a complicated and hair brained scheme.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Perhaps you ought to read from some REAL investigative reporting and not just parrot right wingernut conspiracies.

You can tell from a liberal that they never went to a gun show, just by them saying

They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

So far I have gone to over 20 gun shows, and every time I purchased a weapon, I have had to get a background check. So right there, you libfuckers are so full of shit spewing the liberal talking points. Just proves how stupid a liberal is.

The reason people talk about gun shows is that they are easily accessible marketplaces for people who don't want to be subject to a background check to find non-licensed gun sellers."

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'

 

[easyt65]

Bottom Line: Who's the bigger threat? Barry won this contest hands-down...

 

[bripat9643]

Probably for the same reason Obama met with Russian Ambassadors and Representatives in the past when he was President. I posted an article and photos of Obama meeting with a Russian Ambassador during his Presidency the other day. Why are snowflakes trying to make it seem like ordinary acts done by previous Presidents is now 'unprecedented' because Trump is following suit?

Q. Was the American Press allowed into the oval along with TASS?
A. No

Q. Was TASS allowed to being a camera into the oval when Obama met with the Russian Ambassador?
A. I doubt it. And I doubt he would have met with the equivalent of our Sect of State (the Russian Foreign Minister) at that time.

Did the American press try to embarras and denigrate Obama at every opportunity? Why no, they sucked Obama's dick.

Do you understand why they weren"t invited now?

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

You lyimng imbecile...

On what have you been gorging for the past 8 years?

Infotainment and memes....

Which goes a long way towards explaining your conical ignorance.

Speaking of ignorance, did you know that "conical" means "cone shaped?"

The obscene fawning of the press over Obama is thoroughly documented. Only another dick sucker like you would deny it.

Any "fawning" was more than made up for by the naked hate that came from the right wing.

What were two Republicans thinking, calling Obama 'tar baby' and 'boy'?

The Nasty Republican Habit Of Calling President Obama Boy | PoliticusUSA's Archives

GOP Rep.: Obamas part of 'uppity' class - USATODAY.com

GOP Senator David Perdue Jokes About Praying for Obama’s Death

Obama had the nerve to be a good president while black. Shame on him.

Sort of like the naked hate all you snowflakes have for Trump?

Er . . . no, it wouldn't be 1/10th as bad.

 

[bripat9643]

[

No.....you are lying....

OBAMA ADMITS HIS ADMINISTRATION ALLOWED GUNS TO 'WALK'
"The dispute is both legal and political. Republicans asserted their right to obtain documents needed for an investigation of Operation Fast and Furious — focusing on 10 months in 2011 after the Obama administration initially denied guns were allowed to 'walk' from Arizona to Mexico. By year's end, the administration acknowledged the assertion was wrong."

"Republican Representative Darrell Issa, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, called the Arizona law enforcement operation 'reckless.'

Issa added the contempt vote was being held 'because when we asked legitimate questions ... about Fast and Furious, we were lied to. We were lied to repeatedly and over a 10-month period.'..."17 Democrats backed the censure"



"According to government figures, between 2007-2011, of 99,000 firearms recovered in Mexico and submitted to U.S. law enforcement, more than 68,000 came from the United States. By early 2011, Fast and Furious had been terminated after disclosures that federal agents had lost track of many of the high-powered weapons..."

You link to Wikipedia as "fact"?

And of course guns come from the US. They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

Worse, Wide Receiver actually started in 2006.

Funny is that many of the people supposedly involved are right wingers who hate Obama and would never work with him. And how would a guy from Hawaii even come up with a complicated and hair brained scheme.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Perhaps you ought to read from some REAL investigative reporting and not just parrot right wingernut conspiracies.

You can tell from a liberal that they never went to a gun show, just by them saying

They are made here and you can buy them from gun shows as easy as candy corns.

So far I have gone to over 20 gun shows, and every time I purchased a weapon, I have had to get a background check. So right there, you libfuckers are so full of shit spewing the liberal talking points. Just proves how stupid a liberal is.

The reason people talk about gun shows is that they are easily accessible marketplaces for people who don't want to be subject to a background check to find non-licensed gun sellers."

PolitiFact Sheet: 3 things to know about the 'gun show loophole'

Wrong. You can't buy a gun at a gunshow without getting a background check.

Next stupid leftwing lie?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not averting my eyes, I'm pointing and laughing.

But you DIDN'T read it, did you?

It made me chuckle.

Never mind that....did you LEARN anything, Toddster?

I learned not to take liberal hysteria seriously.

What is "hysterical" about foreign intelligence services finding Trump flunkies playing footsies with Russian kleptocrats and mafiosi?

Do you think before you reflexively avert your eyes?

Tell me more about "collusion".
LOL!

 

[easyt65]

Wrong. You can't buy a gun at a gunshow without getting a background check.

Yes and no.

SHORT ANSWER: Majority of gun sellers at gun shows are licensed dealers - they do background checks. There are some independent sellers at gun shows - owners who sell their weapons. They do not. Depending on the state you are in, some shows / states reportedly do not allow citizens to sell their weapons at a gun show.

----------------

"Firstly, a person that sells guns for a living has to have a license to do so, which is the Federal Firearms License, or FFL. Part and parcel to the FFL, as with any license, is a list of things a person holding the license is prohibited from doing or else the license will be revoked and one of those things is selling a gun to someone without conducting a background check. Once a person obtains an FFL, they cannot sell a gun to anyone, under any circumstances, without conducting one.

Second, who has the most guns to sell? Those would be licensed dealers. What not many people may be aware of is that firearms, like many other goods, are not bought from the manufacturer by one’s local gun store. The guns you see at your local brick and mortar store actually get to the local shop via a distributor.

Most retail works exactly the same way. Most people don’t (or can’t) buy a car straight from the factory; you go to a dealer."
- CCW Weekend: The Myth Of The Gun Show Loophole

 

[bripat9643]

500+ (4 Americans) - Fast and Furious gun deaths
In your own words - exactly what are you accusing the administration of in this instance?

If you need it spelled out - Providing thousands of automatic weapons, rifles, pistols, and hand grenades to Mexican Drug Dealers without the ability to track the weapons once in the criminals' hands resulting in not only the failed Fast and Furious 'sting' operation but also the needless deaths of supposedly over 500 people, to include 4 US citizens.

The idea of conducting this operation was brought to President Bush, but he refused to allow it to happen because of the fact that once the weapons were in the hands of Drug cartels they could not adequately be tracked.

I find this Obama administration program, and its outcome, especially ironic since about the time this program began Obama brought the President of Mexico to the US. allowing him to lecture the people of the United states from the floor of Congress. In that speech he rebuked the US, declaring this nation did not have the right to enforce its existing Immigration policy AND ALSO talked about how many of the deaths of civilians - murders - in his country were due to guns smuggled in from the US...and it turns out the man who invited him to the US - Obama - was the main 'smuggler' / 'arms dealer' for Mexican Drug Cartels at the time.

Many times, it's not the actual description of the conspiracies that come from the right wing that's hilarious, but the "why" in their tiny minds, for the conspiracy.

So say what you are describing was even possible. Tell us why Obama would do such a thing to begin with.

I've already heard a couple of right wing "theories" and they defy belief.
So how about you take a shot at it. Why would Obama do such a thing if he even could?

He did it to advance his gun control agenda. He wanted to use the ensuing mayhem to justify an assault on the 2nd Amendment.

That's ^^^ stupid, even from you when stupid is expected.

We have plenty of mayhem to justify gun controls. Every day in fact bodies testify. Of course fools - like you, or liars, like you - claim millions of lives and property are protected by guns, every day. No evidence of probity has ever been offered, but that doesn't stop the echo of this meme.

Plenty of evidence has been presented, you lying piece of shit.

Do you snowflakes ever stop lying about everything?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not averting my eyes, I'm pointing and laughing.

But you DIDN'T read it, did you?

It made me chuckle.

Never mind that....did you LEARN anything, Toddster?

I learned not to take liberal hysteria seriously.

Yet you can't refute the OP.

I point and laugh.

 

[2aguy]

500+ (4 Americans) - Fast and Furious gun deaths
In your own words - exactly what are you accusing the administration of in this instance?

If you need it spelled out - Providing thousands of automatic weapons, rifles, pistols, and hand grenades to Mexican Drug Dealers without the ability to track the weapons once in the criminals' hands resulting in not only the failed Fast and Furious 'sting' operation but also the needless deaths of supposedly over 500 people, to include 4 US citizens.

The idea of conducting this operation was brought to President Bush, but he refused to allow it to happen because of the fact that once the weapons were in the hands of Drug cartels they could not adequately be tracked.

I find this Obama administration program, and its outcome, especially ironic since about the time this program began Obama brought the President of Mexico to the US. allowing him to lecture the people of the United states from the floor of Congress. In that speech he rebuked the US, declaring this nation did not have the right to enforce its existing Immigration policy AND ALSO talked about how many of the deaths of civilians - murders - in his country were due to guns smuggled in from the US...and it turns out the man who invited him to the US - Obama - was the main 'smuggler' / 'arms dealer' for Mexican Drug Cartels at the time.

Many times, it's not the actual description of the conspiracies that come from the right wing that's hilarious, but the "why" in their tiny minds, for the conspiracy.

So say what you are describing was even possible. Tell us why Obama would do such a thing to begin with.

I've already heard a couple of right wing "theories" and they defy belief.
So how about you take a shot at it. Why would Obama do such a thing if he even could?

He did it to advance his gun control agenda. He wanted to use the ensuing mayhem to justify an assault on the 2nd Amendment.

That's ^^^ stupid, even from you when stupid is expected.

We have plenty of mayhem to justify gun controls. Every day in fact bodies testify. Of course fools - like you, or liars, like you - claim millions of lives and property are protected by guns, every day. No evidence of probity has ever been offered, but that doesn't stop the echo of this meme.

And you lie....we have shown over and over that guns in the hands of Americans actually lowers the crime rate....if actual numbers mean anything......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

500+ (4 Americans) - Fast and Furious gun deaths
In your own words - exactly what are you accusing the administration of in this instance?

If you need it spelled out - Providing thousands of automatic weapons, rifles, pistols, and hand grenades to Mexican Drug Dealers without the ability to track the weapons once in the criminals' hands resulting in not only the failed Fast and Furious 'sting' operation but also the needless deaths of supposedly over 500 people, to include 4 US citizens.

The idea of conducting this operation was brought to President Bush, but he refused to allow it to happen because of the fact that once the weapons were in the hands of Drug cartels they could not adequately be tracked.

I find this Obama administration program, and its outcome, especially ironic since about the time this program began Obama brought the President of Mexico to the US. allowing him to lecture the people of the United states from the floor of Congress. In that speech he rebuked the US, declaring this nation did not have the right to enforce its existing Immigration policy AND ALSO talked about how many of the deaths of civilians - murders - in his country were due to guns smuggled in from the US...and it turns out the man who invited him to the US - Obama - was the main 'smuggler' / 'arms dealer' for Mexican Drug Cartels at the time.

Many times, it's not the actual description of the conspiracies that come from the right wing that's hilarious, but the "why" in their tiny minds, for the conspiracy.

So say what you are describing was even possible. Tell us why Obama would do such a thing to begin with.

I've already heard a couple of right wing "theories" and they defy belief.
So how about you take a shot at it. Why would Obama do such a thing if he even could?

He did it to advance his gun control agenda. He wanted to use the ensuing mayhem to justify an assault on the 2nd Amendment.

That's ^^^ stupid, even from you when stupid is expected.

We have plenty of mayhem to justify gun controls. Every day in fact bodies testify. Of course fools - like you, or liars, like you - claim millions of lives and property are protected by guns, every day. No evidence of probity has ever been offered, but that doesn't stop the echo of this meme.

And you are wrong.....there is nothing about the debate on 2nd Amendment rights that you get accurate, true, are right..................

Guns in the hands of Americans are a positive force for good, saving lives every single day and year.....that you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth, facts and reality is your mental problem....

gun murder in 2015......from the FBI homicide data...

10,616

Times guns are used to stop murder and other crimes, according to bill clinton and barak obama...

1,500,000 times a year...

And those are just two sources of that information ...here are more....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

You have NO IDEA what you are re-bleating...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

It will demand a bit of time........and I know how you Snowflakes prefer slogans, memes, and Drudge headlines....

At first I thought you knew something......then it became apparent you don't.
Your programming is complete.....you are a political zombie elitist tool.....and have no clue.

btw..."Snowflake" is categorically a definition of someone leaning hard LEFT. Just as "Teabilly" is someone on the right.
Or shall we start calling leftards Teabillys also?
What a confused, illiterate. zombie programmed bunch many on the left are. wow.

I suggest you google ad hominem and reconsider your means of communicating - posts like this ^^^ lack substance, are highly partisan and make you appear to be a concrete thinker.

Operation Wide Receiver was the precursor of F&F - both were flawed policies. If blame is to be assigned it should begin with the gun policy in effect at the time, and probably still in place, by the State of Arizona & supported by the NRA.

Wide Reciever was ended as soon as they lost track of a few guns....and it was done with the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government...and they actually tried to track the guns...

Fast and Furious was done to get American guns in the hands of drug cartels to push gun control here in the U.S......no attempt was made to track the guns and over 3,000 went missing.....

moron.

 

[IcebergSlim]

500+ (4 Americans) - Fast and Furious gun deaths
In your own words - exactly what are you accusing the administration of in this instance?

If you need it spelled out - Providing thousands of automatic weapons, rifles, pistols, and hand grenades to Mexican Drug Dealers without the ability to track the weapons once in the criminals' hands resulting in not only the failed Fast and Furious 'sting' operation but also the needless deaths of supposedly over 500 people, to include 4 US citizens.

The idea of conducting this operation was brought to President Bush, but he refused to allow it to happen because of the fact that once the weapons were in the hands of Drug cartels they could not adequately be tracked.

I find this Obama administration program, and its outcome, especially ironic since about the time this program began Obama brought the President of Mexico to the US. allowing him to lecture the people of the United states from the floor of Congress. In that speech he rebuked the US, declaring this nation did not have the right to enforce its existing Immigration policy AND ALSO talked about how many of the deaths of civilians - murders - in his country were due to guns smuggled in from the US...and it turns out the man who invited him to the US - Obama - was the main 'smuggler' / 'arms dealer' for Mexican Drug Cartels at the time.

Many times, it's not the actual description of the conspiracies that come from the right wing that's hilarious, but the "why" in their tiny minds, for the conspiracy.

So say what you are describing was even possible. Tell us why Obama would do such a thing to begin with.

I've already heard a couple of right wing "theories" and they defy belief.
So how about you take a shot at it. Why would Obama do such a thing if he even could?

He did it to advance his gun control agenda. He wanted to use the ensuing mayhem to justify an assault on the 2nd Amendment.

That's ^^^ stupid, even from you when stupid is expected.

We have plenty of mayhem to justify gun controls. Every day in fact bodies testify. Of course fools - like you, or liars, like you - claim millions of lives and property are protected by guns, every day. No evidence of probity has ever been offered, but that doesn't stop the echo of this meme.

And you lie....we have shown over and over that guns in the hands of Americans actually lowers the crime rate....if actual numbers mean anything......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400 million guns in private hands and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2016...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Public is NOT unaware of the drop in the crime rates....is is occasionally confused by your efforts at propaganda.

That said, guns kill far more people every year than all illegal drugs combined....