There really is no IRS scandal

[billyerock1991]

Here's a list of Progressive 501Cs.. I defy one stupid liberal to tell me none of them influences political parties..

List of progressive organizations - SourceWatch

thats not the question... you accused democrats of having the IRS look at conservative or tea baggers 501 4(C) that was your accusation ... the facts don't support your accusation ... now you want to say well the liberals were doing it ??? we aren't denying liberals were doing it ...what we are saying here is that democrats went after the IRS ... they said to the IRS you need to check into these groups to see if thy are using the tax exempt for political gain ... we didn't say just conservative gain, or liberal gain or tea bagger gain ... they clearly said political gain ... and now with your "OMG" like you've be wronged or something... it makes me laugh just like I laughed ant paul Ryan republicans are losing in the polls they know it so they need to do something and that would be make up shit that doesn't exist ...

Hey asshole, What part of "the IRS admitted that they targeted right wing groups" did you miss moron?

How fucked up are you?

Here from the Washington Post. That media bastion of liberal thought.

Check it out whacko. Lerner at this point was trying to maintain that it wasn't partisan but since this major first admission we have certainly learned differently.

IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election


By Zachary A. Goldfarb and Karen Tumulty May 10, 2013

The Internal Revenue Service on Friday apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names, confirming long-standing accusations by some conservatives that their applications for tax-exempt status were being improperly delayed and scrutinized.

Lois G. Lerner, the IRS official who oversees tax-exempt groups, said the “absolutely inappropriate” actions by “front-line people” were not driven by partisan motives.

Rather, Lerner said, they were a misguided effort to come up with an efficient means of dealing with a flood of applications from organizations seeking *tax-exempt status between 2010 and 2012.

During that period, about 75 groups were selected for extra inquiry — including burdensome questionnaires and, in some cases, improper requests for the names of their donors — simply because of the words in their names, she said in a conference call with reporters.



IRS admits targeting conservatives for tax scrutiny in 2012 election - The Washington Post

if you want to be stupid thats your choice... the statement from LadyGunSlinger was that liberal senators went to the IRS an said we need to go after conservative and tea baggers who are violating 501c (3) ... I pointed out to LadyGunSlinger that in all of her so called sources, they never once said we need to go after conservative or tea bagers ... this was established bt LadyGunSlinger, with her source for the discussion ... then you bring up articles by who gives a shit press ??? trying to say see I'm wrong... try and keep up with what we are discussing, could ya????

 

[Care4all]

This is so full of shit it doesn't deserve the dignity of a response

translation= ya got nuttin'

Breaking a federal law isn't "nuttin". Well to a left wing whacko it's probably "nuttin" but in the real world it's a a big fucking deal.


This is not an IRS guideline or suggestion or hint. It is a Federal Law.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

[/QUOTE]
what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....

which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?

 

[Listening]

translation= ya got nuttin'

Breaking a federal law isn't "nuttin". Well to a left wing whacko it's probably "nuttin" but in the real world it's a a big fucking deal.


This is not an IRS guideline or suggestion or hint. It is a Federal Law.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....

which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?[/QUOTE]

What business does not have back up like this in place ?

To accept this story is to admit no relevant brain function.

 

[longknife]

I'm so glad you have such faith in the organization responsible for overseeing the ACA.

Have you ever been audited?

Have you ever had to deal with an IRS agent?

Have you ever had the IRS garnish your salary or your bank account?

Have you ever had it take away your home and possessions?

Well, until then, you just go right ahead and believe in the innocence of Lois Lerner and her compatriots.

 

[Camp]

The crap is gonna hit the fan and this non scandal will go to new levels when Issa gets his hands on the 1986 Lois Lerner emails he just subpoenaed.

 

[Jarhead]

translation= ya got nuttin'

Breaking a federal law isn't "nuttin". Well to a left wing whacko it's probably "nuttin" but in the real world it's a a big fucking deal.


This is not an IRS guideline or suggestion or hint. It is a Federal Law.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....

which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?[/QUOTE]

Give me a break care4all

You are better than that.

Read up on laws and the national archives and how the law relates to the situation at hand.

Laws were broken.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Despite what the GOP says...

...no Tea Party groups were denied tax exempt status...(they all should have been)
But you cant name one.

..no e-mails from any time during the last presidential campaign were lost..
..all have been turned over to the GOP...and they know it

....No one asked that political groups be investigated when they asked for tax exempt status because you don't have to ask for tax exempt status. You simply claim it.

...so there isn't (and cant be) an IRS scandal about tax exempt status.

Its all an election year..clown show

Nope. There really WAS a scandal else the Libwits wouldn't be scrambling to hide the evidence and Lerner wouldn't be pleading the 5th. Run along now.

and you know for sure that Lerner is a Libwit ??? you've seen her voting record??? if it were I, I too would plead the 5th ... why would I say this??? because if you made a mistake on anything you say, you can be held for lying under oath ... not a oops I made a mistake ... they won't buy it

Um Sonny......you don't announce your "innocence" in open hearings THEN take the 5th. That is, unless and of course, the person is a Nazi liberal.

 

[freedombecki]

Blog: Lois Lerner's Blackberry may hold smoking gun


Will her cell phone now go missing ???

Goodness, if it isn't the 5th Amendment she may plead the 4th on that count.

The woman learned from Obama that they are above the law with an "up yours" attached.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There really is no IRS scandal

True, to the extent that the Obama Administration is in no way 'involved.'

 

[Vigilante]

There really is no IRS scandal

True, to the extent that the Obama Administration is in no way 'involved.'

How do you know that Shyster... you have some sort of ESP that would be helpful to the committee, or just blowing more left wing, "he's my black president and I'll protect him no matter what" smoke out of your butt again?

 

[RandallFlagg]

There really is no IRS scandal

True, to the extent that the Obama Administration is in no way 'involved.'

How do you know that Shyster... you have some sort of ESP that would be helpful to the committee, or just blowing more left wing, "he's my black president and I'll protect him no matter what" smoke out of your butt again?

Um no, the hypocritical Nazi Shyster has already decided that his "messiah" can do no wrong.

Enforce some laws, ignore others - whatever the hell this clown wants to do is perfectly fine with Jones.

 

[Care4all]

Breaking a federal law isn't "nuttin". Well to a left wing whacko it's probably "nuttin" but in the real world it's a a big fucking deal.


This is not an IRS guideline or suggestion or hint. It is a Federal Law.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....
/
which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?

What business does not have back up like this in place ?

To accept this story is to admit no relevant brain function.

I agree with you, there should be a back up to emails, somewhere.

I don't think it is realistic for employees to have to print every one of their own emails....this lady alone had 70,000 of them in this short period, can you even imagine the storage space that would be needed to store ALL IRS EMPLOYEE paper copies of their emails???? Lord have Mercy, they would need a building 10 times the size of the Pentagon to store the paper email copies!!!!

soooo, i don't buy in to the rule of employees printing their own emails and saving the paper copies for 10 years....just not feasible....but there should be a server somewhere that is storing the info imo....

 

[Yarddog]

There really is no IRS scandal

True, to the extent that the Obama Administration is in no way 'involved.'

.
Obama made a promise that his administration would be the most transparent ever.
So let the IRS prove their innocence without the complaining. This is a great chance for
theh administration to fulfill its promise

 

[tinydancer]

translation= ya got nuttin'

Breaking a federal law isn't "nuttin". Well to a left wing whacko it's probably "nuttin" but in the real world it's a a big fucking deal.


This is not an IRS guideline or suggestion or hint. It is a Federal Law.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....

which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?

This memo is based on the Federal Records Act. The date means nothing. I think it was 1950's when it first came in.

Here got it for you. Oh and it is very relevant. It's the law. Federal law. They broke it.

Federal Records Act of 1950, as amended, codified at 44 U.S.C. chapters 29, 31 and 33.
Overview Edit

Under the Act, each federal agency is required to make and preserve records that (1) document the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and (2) provide the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.

The Act defines a federal record without respect to format. Records include all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine-readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the government under federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the government or because of the informational value of data in them.

Under the Act, agencies are to manage the creation, maintenance, use, and disposition of records in order to achieve adequate and proper documentation of the policies and transactions of the federal government and effective and economical management of agency operations.

If records are poorly managed, individuals might lose access to benefits for which they are entitled, the government could be exposed to legal liabilities, and records of historical interest could be lost forever.

In addition, agencies with poorly managed records risk increased costs when attempting to search their records in response to Freedom of Information Act requests or litigation-related discovery actions. Finally, without effective management of the documentation of government actions, the ability of the people to hold the government accountable is jeopardized

More at link:

Federal Records Act of 1950 - The IT Law Wiki

 

[tinydancer]

And just to add to the actual law that is clearly broke here by the IRS I believe and I will look for a link that the IRS hid the loss of the emails from the National Archives.

Oh but there really isn't anything that could be suspicious about their actions could there now?



This must go very high for these people to risk breaking Federal Law ever so blatantly.

 

[hipeter924]

I wouldn't mind the end of the IRS, and the start of some more sane flat tax structure, but more than likely ending the IRS would just cause a spat between Republicans and Democrats, making a pigs breakfast of the new agency.

 

[tinydancer]

The IRS did not follow the law and inform the National Archives. *cough* but of course there was nothing to hide. They must have just forgot. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.....

Archivist: IRS did not follow law on lost emails

This is a big "whoopsies"...

By RACHAEL BADE | 6/24/14 1:06 PM EDT Updated: 6/24/14 4:31 PM EDT

The U.S. Archivist told lawmakers on Tuesday that the IRS “did not follow the law” when it failed to report the lost Lois Lerner’s emails, which could have included official documents.

During a House Oversight and Government Reform hearing David Ferriero stopped short of saying the tax-collecting agency “broke” the law, saying “I am not a lawyer.”

But when pressed by Michigan Republican Tim Walberg about whether the IRS failure to inform the National Archives when it learned that two years of the former head of the tax exempt division’s email were lost, he said: “They did not follow the law.”


More at link:

Archivist: IRS did not follow law on lost emails - Rachael Bade - POLITICO.com

 

[tinydancer]

what you have quoted is rules that took place july 8, 2011....
/
which DO NOT cover the period her emails/hard drive fried, of 2009-2011.

Do you have any RELEVANT rules of the IRS that cover the period missing?

What business does not have back up like this in place ?

To accept this story is to admit no relevant brain function.

I agree with you, there should be a back up to emails, somewhere.

I don't think it is realistic for employees to have to print every one of their own emails....this lady alone had 70,000 of them in this short period, can you even imagine the storage space that would be needed to store ALL IRS EMPLOYEE paper copies of their emails???? Lord have Mercy, they would need a building 10 times the size of the Pentagon to store the paper email copies!!!!

soooo, i don't buy in to the rule of employees printing their own emails and saving the paper copies for 10 years....just not feasible....but there should be a server somewhere that is storing the info imo....

To you it may not seem realistic that an employee had to print out her emails but by law Lerner was required to. No gray zone. Very clear cut law. That was not followed. I wonder why?

The law requires agencies to save official records — defined in a National Archives guidance post as “documentary materials that agencies create and receive while conducting business that provide evidence of the agency’s organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and operations, or that contain information of value.”

At the IRS, employees who send such official correspondences via email are supposed to print them out and file hard copies.



Archivist: IRS did not follow law on lost emails - Rachael Bade - POLITICO.com

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Jarhead]

There really is no IRS scandal

True, to the extent that the Obama Administration is in no way 'involved.'

How do you know that Shyster... you have some sort of ESP that would be helpful to the committee, or just blowing more left wing, "he's my black president and I'll protect him no matter what" smoke out of your butt again?

Actual evidence?

No.

Curious however....

He appointed an IG to investigate the IRS to see if crimes were committed. She was controversial as she was an Obama supporter and donor, but such is not unusual with any administration.

However, in a very short period of time, she reported that she found no crimes committed and no charges will be brought against anyone.

Obama reiterated it when he used the term "not a smidgen of corruption" during an interview.

Fine.

But.....

How did the IG come up with that finding when.....

1) Subsequently a court found that a crime was committed when the confidential records of the COM was released to an opposition of the COM

2) She did not have access to 2 years of emails of the subject of the investigation; with those 2 years being the years being investigated....and yet she did not know those emails were missing?

Why was she and Obama so quick to claim that no crimes were committed?

Even those on the left.....do you not find that strange?

Shouldn't her findings have been "incomplete due to missing evidence"?