They can't define what an assult weapon is, but they will ban them...

[cnm]

In 1996, with the homicide rate at 1.6/100000, The National Firearms Agreement was signed into law. Australians were forced by the new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. By 2002, the homicide rate had risen to 1.8/100000. Since then, the rate has steadily declined(as well as the USA and other developed countries) to 1.2/100000 for the 2008 - 10 period. Theoretically, if gun confiscation reduced murder(or other violent crime), rates should have immediately dropped and remained lower.

So in the only example of a developed nation you give, no mass killings have occurred since the mass killing that caused the legislation and the firearm homicide rate is a fraction of that of the US'. Well done.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Does the right to bear arms...

... supersede the safety...

... and well being of others?

That seems to be the question...

... our society is struggling with.

A better question is whether the forced inability of law-abiding citizens to defend ourselves and uphold our constitutional rights because of the actions of a very tiny few makes us a safer, freer and better society for all, and whether taking away guns like this has actually ever worked to make anyone more safe, more free---- or less? History says otherwise.

How many times have you been forced to defend yourself with a gun?

If ever, did you put yourself in jeopardy, knowing you had a gun, and that this simple possession gave you the courage to act against common sense?

The meme from the NRA and its fellow travelers is a gun is used 16 trillion times a day (yes, hyperbole, but used for effect) by simply showing the gun, and another 500 times a day, to shoot a bad guy.

Odd that any number can be put into this ^^^ paragraph, and used on forums such as this one. And yet, actual records / facts offer evidence that guns are used everyday to kill or maim a person, under varying circumstances.

Deaths and injury by gun shot are expensive ER interventions, and high speed projectiles do extensive damage to tissue and organs by tumbling upon impact. One who is honest understands why such weapons are used by those intent on killing masses of human beings with a weapon with less recoil and more effect on the target.

Whatever you say s0n...youve been wasting your breath on gun grabbing for what...50 years? I don't get it....

Once again you lie. And as usual the lie is an emotional response to facts. Or, you do not understand the fact of the nature of a wound made by a high velocity projectile?

I'm not the snowflake in the conversation s0n..... you're the guy who lives in San Francisco, rides an electric bike, and dives for cover when the word assault rifle is spoken. C'mon now......

You progressive assholes have been trying to get the Second Amendment scraped a decades and you haven't moved the ball as single yard

Who's not winning?

 

[Wry Catcher]

A better question is whether the forced inability of law-abiding citizens to defend ourselves and uphold our constitutional rights because of the actions of a very tiny few makes us a safer, freer and better society for all, and whether taking away guns like this has actually ever worked to make anyone more safe, more free---- or less? History says otherwise.

How many times have you been forced to defend yourself with a gun?

If ever, did you put yourself in jeopardy, knowing you had a gun, and that this simple possession gave you the courage to act against common sense?

The meme from the NRA and its fellow travelers is a gun is used 16 trillion times a day (yes, hyperbole, but used for effect) by simply showing the gun, and another 500 times a day, to shoot a bad guy.

Odd that any number can be put into this ^^^ paragraph, and used on forums such as this one. And yet, actual records / facts offer evidence that guns are used everyday to kill or maim a person, under varying circumstances.

Deaths and injury by gun shot are expensive ER interventions, and high speed projectiles do extensive damage to tissue and organs by tumbling upon impact. One who is honest understands why such weapons are used by those intent on killing masses of human beings with a weapon with less recoil and more effect on the target.

Whatever you say s0n...youve been wasting your breath on gun grabbing for what...50 years? I don't get it....

Once again you lie. And as usual the lie is an emotional response to facts. Or, you do not understand the fact of the nature of a wound made by a high velocity projectile?

I'm not the snowflake in the conversation s0n..... you're the guy who lives in San Francisco, rides an electric bike, and dives for cover when the word assault rifle is spoken. C'mon now......

You progressive assholes have been trying to get the Second Amendment scraped a decades and you haven't moved the ball as single yard

Who's not winning?

Q. Who's not winning?

A. Those innocents killed by gun fire and their loved ones and friends.

 

[there4eyeM]

Some 'guy' on here, in his peculiar, foul, limited vocabulary way, keeps confusing singulars for plurals. He/she sees whole groups in one person's posts. This is a form of paranoia that is often associated with emotional instability, making firearms a dangerous thing in such a person's hands. This is just what the general population has come to fear and why there is increasing acceptance for greater limitations on firearms.

 

[Pop23]

Look at that towns proposal, it covers all semi-autos.

It does not. Read the fucking legislation.

Gun control will not stop a murderer from doing what a murder does, that is to commit murder

Gun control will not stop a rapist from doing what rapists do, that is to commit rape.

Take away one tool of their trade, they just find something else.

Tell me cnm, if you wanted to kill a dozen folks or so, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't because you couldn't find a gun?

 

[Pop23]

How many times have you been forced to defend yourself with a gun?

If ever, did you put yourself in jeopardy, knowing you had a gun, and that this simple possession gave you the courage to act against common sense?

The meme from the NRA and its fellow travelers is a gun is used 16 trillion times a day (yes, hyperbole, but used for effect) by simply showing the gun, and another 500 times a day, to shoot a bad guy.

Odd that any number can be put into this ^^^ paragraph, and used on forums such as this one. And yet, actual records / facts offer evidence that guns are used everyday to kill or maim a person, under varying circumstances.

Deaths and injury by gun shot are expensive ER interventions, and high speed projectiles do extensive damage to tissue and organs by tumbling upon impact. One who is honest understands why such weapons are used by those intent on killing masses of human beings with a weapon with less recoil and more effect on the target.

Whatever you say s0n...youve been wasting your breath on gun grabbing for what...50 years? I don't get it....

Once again you lie. And as usual the lie is an emotional response to facts. Or, you do not understand the fact of the nature of a wound made by a high velocity projectile?

I'm not the snowflake in the conversation s0n..... you're the guy who lives in San Francisco, rides an electric bike, and dives for cover when the word assault rifle is spoken. C'mon now......

You progressive assholes have been trying to get the Second Amendment scraped a decades and you haven't moved the ball as single yard

Who's not winning?

Q. Who's not winning?

A. Those innocents killed by gun fire and their loved ones and friends.

if your talking about those innocent children that I'm thinking about, it was a car that their mother used to kill them, not a gun.

Going to ban assault cars?

there will be some stupid ass response about cars being registered. See Murderers don't care, they murder, even when one tool is banned or restricted, they just find another, it is what they do. They murder.

 

[2aguy]

Those other countries have guns

Where they are strictly regulated and access to handguns and military style semi automatic rifles is not easy.

wrong...gun crime is up in Britain, Australia where they have not only banned them but confiscated them.....criminals in France prefer to use fully automatic military weapons...

You don't know what you are talking about..these countries are no longer peaceful...their social welfare states have changed that, their immigration policies have changed that, their policies toward law enforcement have changed that......and we see this change in their crime stats...

 

[2aguy]

In 1996, with the homicide rate at 1.6/100000, The National Firearms Agreement was signed into law. Australians were forced by the new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. By 2002, the homicide rate had risen to 1.8/100000. Since then, the rate has steadily declined(as well as the USA and other developed countries) to 1.2/100000 for the 2008 - 10 period. Theoretically, if gun confiscation reduced murder(or other violent crime), rates should have immediately dropped and remained lower.

So in the only example of a developed nation you give, no mass killings have occurred since the mass killing that caused the legislation and the firearm homicide rate is a fraction of that of the US'. Well done.

Australian gun laws didn't stop their public shootings.....their gun confiscation didn't stop their public shootings, the only thing that has kept these many public shootings from becoming mass public shootings is the shooter didn't kill 3 or more people.....they had guns in public spaces, illegal guns, and they shot people....not one Australian gun law stopped them...

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  
  
  
• 
  
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
  
  
• • 10 September 2015 – Karin Lock was shot dead in a McDonald's restaurant in the Gold Coast by her ex-husband Stephen Lock, who then turned the gun on himself and shot himself dead.[140][141][142]
  
  
• • 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]

• 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]

• 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]

 

[cnm]

wrong...gun crime is up in Britain, Australia where they have not only banned them but confiscated them

Australia has not had a firearm mass killing since legislation more strictly regulating firearms was introduced after the last mass killing by firearm. The US has had mass firearm killings like clockwork. You are a raving loony.

 

[2aguy]

wrong...gun crime is up in Britain, Australia where they have not only banned them but confiscated them

Australia has not had a firearm mass killing since legislation more strictly regulating firearms was introduced after the last mass shooting. The US has had mass shootings like clockwork. You are a raving loony.

Did you see the public shootings from the list? They were people in a public space with a gun shooting people...the only thing that kept them from being a mass shooting is they didn't kill 3 or more people.....

Dumb luck is the only thing that Australia has going for it, and you asshats are jinxing it......

All of these shootings are post 1997....they were all public shootings....Australian gun laws didn't stop them, you dumb ass.....when you hear that Australian gun laws and confiscation stopped their mass shootings? You are being lied to by the speaker...

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  
  
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[131]
• • 10 September 2015 – Karin Lock was shot dead in a McDonald's restaurant in the Gold Coast by her ex-husband Stephen Lock, who then turned the gun on himself and shot himself dead.[140][141][142]
• • 7 March 2016 - Finks bikie gang member Wayne Williams armed himself with an AK 47 rifle and shot and killed Michael Bassal and shot and wounded his brothers Terry Bassal and Mark Bassal outside an industrial building in the suburb of Ingleburn Sydney. Williams then barricaded himself inside the building and took three hostages, resulting in a siege and stand off with police. He later released the three hostages and shot himself dead. The shootings were committed as a result of a business deal gone wrong.[citation needed]

• 29 April 2016 - A gunman opened fire inside the Centro shopping centre in Bankstown, Sydney. He shot and killed convicted criminal Walid Ahmad, shot and wounded a man who was with Ahmad, and also wounded a woman who was an innocent bystander. The shooting was targeted and was committed as a result of an ongoing feud between two rival Middle Eastern organised crime gangs.[144]

• 7 June 2017 - 2017 Brighton siege. Somali immigrant Yacqub Khayre took a female prostitute hostage in a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne and then shot dead the complex clerk Nick Hao. He enticed police to the complex and made references to Islamic terrorist groups before dying in a shoot-out with police with three police officers wounded.[153]

 

[toobfreak]

It hardly matters what question would be better asked, the reality is that overall opinion is swinging toward greater supervision of firearms ownership and transport.

Really? Maybe if the question had been asked by more and more loudly, then public opinion wouldn't be swinging in the direction it is! And how do you equate the total banning of and arbitrary criminalization of entire classes of firearms (and the people who hold them) by a handful of ignorant and fearful committee people with "greater supervision of firearm ownership?" In one fell-swoop, these idiots have seen fit to make felons out of a major portion of the community they serve (except retired cops of course).

Public relations efforts on the part of the N.R.A. and its sympathizers would have been much better directed toward calm, quiet education. Rabid, frothing recitation of constitutional amendments while implicitly suggesting armed intervention worked to the advantage of their adversaries, and against the rest of us.

And yet the NRA DOES offer a whole litany of gun safety training courses and education which they have promoted calmly and quietly. All of the rabid frothing has come from the fear-stricken gun grabbers.

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When a 17 year old kid is your greatest enemy, you know you've lost.

The kid is just the figurehead behind a massive movement that enables him. The kid himself ain't shit without the weight of that support he gets from the media. They've just been waiting for the right public figure to come along to give them the daring to start banning guns left and right. Like a running man with a knife in the dark, they are going to see how far they can go now. If you thought it was just some kid by himself that had the idea to do all this, then you are a fool.

 

[toobfreak]

In 1996, with the homicide rate at 1.6/100000, The National Firearms Agreement was signed into law. Australians were forced by the new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. By 2002, the homicide rate had risen to 1.8/100000. Since then, the rate has steadily declined(as well as the USA and other developed countries) to 1.2/100000 for the 2008 - 10 period. Theoretically, if gun confiscation reduced murder(or other violent crime), rates should have immediately dropped and remained lower.

So in the only example of a developed nation you give, no mass killings have occurred since the mass killing that caused the legislation and the firearm homicide rate is a fraction of that of the US'. Well done.

You sure are eager to give absolute trust and absolute irrevocable power over your life to your government that lies to you about everything it does, cheats you at every level. That either makes you the bravest man in the world or its biggest fool.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[cnm]

The kid is just the figurehead behind a massive movement that enables him.

If the movement is massive, shouldn't that cause you to pause to think?

 

[cnm]

You sure are eager to give absolute trust and absolute irrevocable power over your life to your government that lies to you about everything it does, cheats you at every level. That either makes you the bravest man in the world or its biggest fool.

No, it makes you a constructor of strawmen because you have nothing else apart from gunsplainin' when your examples explode in your face.

 

[cnm]

Is that because she supports an unlimited tweet capacity?

 

[cnm]

I've said it before, but let me say it again. I've killed thousands of animals with rifle and shotgun, reloaded for both and spent days and days on clay grounds and rifle ranges. You'd have had to have been very busy to have kept up with me.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

it a ban on a common and widely used mechanism for firearms, and is thus unconstitutional under the 2nd amendment.

No it isn't. Semi automatic rifles are still permitted. In what chamber are you echoing?

Look at that towns proposal, it covers all semi-autos.

This is a lie.

This also exhibits rightwing hypocrisy.

Conservative dogma is supposed to favor local government, as local governments know best how to govern in accordance with the wishes of their residents.

This community has elected to enact perfectly Constitutional firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence; no Second Amendment rights are being ‘violated.’

And rather than supporting the wishes of this local community conservatives instead attack and attempt to vilify how this community decides to regulate firearms.

 

[cnm]

I like the way he encourages one to look at the town's proposal when it's obvious he's never read a letter of it.

 

[martybegan]

It covers basically any semi-automatic with a detachable magazine.

That's all of them except for M-1's.

You can't even gunsplain.

You got a link showing what mechanism that gun uses?