This is Why Trump Will Get Slaughtered in November

[kaz]

Well, I agree with you insofar as that sure, Ford management has made bad deals. But they can't change it now without their employees decertifiying the union no matter what they do because of government. That's why they went offshore out of the jurisdiction of the Imperial Federal government.

OK, so Ford managers who are retired and mostly dead made bad deals. Now the company is fucked so bad they have no choice to go offshore. And that makes sense to you? If we just punish them for doing that too, we'll create jobs? Yeah, let's go with that

well yeah, exactly, punish the product coming in, exactly, force their hand to bring back the jobs. Damn straight bubba. damn fking straight.

Then when Ford tanks because they can't compete with Toyota and Subaru and Honda, that create jobs how again? I'd be good with it. The only way to get rid of union leeches is to kill the host

well that would desolve the union deals, then there would still be a need for cars, so someone would reinvest and start back up. there is a need driving product.

Yes, I listed three of them

and who would they hire within our country to make cars in this country. Where would those people come from? Wow.

BTW, at some point obummercare will need to be corrected as well.

Anyone Ford hired in this country would be forced to fall under union rules by government unless the UAW agrees, and why would they do that? That's why they avoid building plants here

 

[jc456]

dude, I used the company I work with. I have no idea your company's reasons for offshoring. All i know is that I am pissed at my company for doing it. I wish I had a say. Higher ups have all that authority. If it were me, all of my fellow employees would have continued to manufacture in Illinois.

Oh I know you're going to state component pricing for off shore components and regulations. I know that's where you're going.

I've offshored for multiple industries. The questions are the same, just the answers are different. This is exactly what I said. You admitted

"all i know is that I am pissed at my company for doing it. I wish I had a say. Higher ups have all that authority"

You want a say, but you don't want to understand why we did it or how we went about making the decision. You want a say but you don't want to understand. That's why you're not in management

so you still haven't stated your reason for offshoring.

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

 

[jc456]

well yeah, exactly, punish the product coming in, exactly, force their hand to bring back the jobs. Damn straight bubba. damn fking straight.

Then when Ford tanks because they can't compete with Toyota and Subaru and Honda, that create jobs how again? I'd be good with it. The only way to get rid of union leeches is to kill the host

well that would desolve the union deals, then there would still be a need for cars, so someone would reinvest and start back up. there is a need driving product.

Yes, I listed three of them

and who would they hire within our country to make cars in this country. Where would those people come from? Wow.

BTW, at some point obummercare will need to be corrected as well.

Anyone Ford hired in this country would be forced to fall under union rules by government unless the UAW agrees, and why would they do that? That's why they avoid building plants here

unless they are in right to work states. let's don't forget the steps taken to rid our country of these foul people.

 

[Toro]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

 

[jc456]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

so?

 

[Redfish]

free international markets have destroyed American manufacturing and American blue collar jobs. Trump is an America-first capitalist.

strategically you are correct, voting 3rd party is the same as not voting. However, voting against Hillary will help keep her out of the whitehouse. Voting against is sometimes more important than voting for.

The US government is destroying jobs by driving out our companies. Why do you think Ford builds it's cars in Mexico? The US government and what they have done to them here. Rather than working harder to fuck companies who stay and building a wall to keep them in, we need to address what's making them leave. Something I help them do as a management consultant

why are they leaving? simple: unions and taxes. Notice its only the UAW car companies who are leaving. The non-union car companies in the south are doing very well, providing good wages and good benefits to thousands of americans----------Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai, VW.

Unions are no longer needed except as a cash funnel to the DNC. We have laws that protect workers from the abuses that unions were started to address.

And why is it that foreign companies are increasingly building them here? Government saddles Ford with restrictions the foreign companies don't have, like not letting them get out of shitty union contracts. The problem is government, and government is what you're proposing as a solution

wrong, other than the union contracts, which are valid enforceable contracts, what restrictions are placed on Ford and GM that are not placed on BMW and Mercedes?

The differences are tied to the union contracts. So you think Ford agreed to all that crap voluntarily without government coercion? Seriously? Ford cannot fire every union worker and start over, and they can't fire union workers without negotiating it with the unions. Government gives the workers completely non-market power

preaching to the choir my friend. If GM had been allowed to declare bankruptcy the situation would be much different. GM would have been broken up into several smaller companies and each new company would have to have had a union representation vote by the workers. The GM bailout was to save the UAW, not the car company.

 

[Redfish]

why are they leaving? simple: unions and taxes. Notice its only the UAW car companies who are leaving. The non-union car companies in the south are doing very well, providing good wages and good benefits to thousands of americans----------Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai, VW.

Unions are no longer needed except as a cash funnel to the DNC. We have laws that protect workers from the abuses that unions were started to address.

And why is it that foreign companies are increasingly building them here? Government saddles Ford with restrictions the foreign companies don't have, like not letting them get out of shitty union contracts. The problem is government, and government is what you're proposing as a solution

wrong, other than the union contracts, which are valid enforceable contracts, what restrictions are placed on Ford and GM that are not placed on BMW and Mercedes?

The differences are tied to the union contracts. So you think Ford agreed to all that crap voluntarily without government coercion? Seriously? Ford cannot fire every union worker and start over, and they can't fire union workers without negotiating it with the unions. Government gives the workers completely non-market power

sure they can. Do you have some known document that says otherwise?

The workers would have to decertify the UAW to get rid of them

correct and there would be broken legs for anyone who started such a movement.

 

[Redfish]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

its very early, neither party has picked its nominee yet. but you can fantasize if it makes you sleep better.

Hillary Clinton will never be president, book it.

 

[kaz]

I've offshored for multiple industries. The questions are the same, just the answers are different. This is exactly what I said. You admitted

"all i know is that I am pissed at my company for doing it. I wish I had a say. Higher ups have all that authority"

You want a say, but you don't want to understand why we did it or how we went about making the decision. You want a say but you don't want to understand. That's why you're not in management

so you still haven't stated your reason for offshoring.

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

 

[kaz]

The US government is destroying jobs by driving out our companies. Why do you think Ford builds it's cars in Mexico? The US government and what they have done to them here. Rather than working harder to fuck companies who stay and building a wall to keep them in, we need to address what's making them leave. Something I help them do as a management consultant

why are they leaving? simple: unions and taxes. Notice its only the UAW car companies who are leaving. The non-union car companies in the south are doing very well, providing good wages and good benefits to thousands of americans----------Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai, VW.

Unions are no longer needed except as a cash funnel to the DNC. We have laws that protect workers from the abuses that unions were started to address.

And why is it that foreign companies are increasingly building them here? Government saddles Ford with restrictions the foreign companies don't have, like not letting them get out of shitty union contracts. The problem is government, and government is what you're proposing as a solution

wrong, other than the union contracts, which are valid enforceable contracts, what restrictions are placed on Ford and GM that are not placed on BMW and Mercedes?

The differences are tied to the union contracts. So you think Ford agreed to all that crap voluntarily without government coercion? Seriously? Ford cannot fire every union worker and start over, and they can't fire union workers without negotiating it with the unions. Government gives the workers completely non-market power

preaching to the choir my friend. If GM had been allowed to declare bankruptcy the situation would be much different. GM would have been broken up into several smaller companies and each new company would have to have had a union representation vote by the workers. The GM bailout was to save the UAW, not the car company.

Liberals have their cake and eat it too. They prevented GM from going into bankruptcy for that reason, unions. They got to feed their masters and blame it on free enterprise at the same time. No one should have been bailed out

 

[Redfish]

so you still haven't stated your reason for offshoring.

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

we usually agree but you are flat out wrong on this, sorry.

 

[jc456]

so you still haven't stated your reason for offshoring.

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

Trump will be the man. I have trust in his leadership qualities. he has people who have people. I mean business people, people who know things politicians don't. hilarious no!!!!

 

[ptbw forever]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

You do realize that "married women" is an ever fluctuating demographic, right?

 

[kaz]

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

we usually agree but you are flat out wrong on this, sorry.

The field of economics could be wrong, but I'm not guessing that it is

 

[Toro]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

so?

So married women usually vote Republican.

If the GOP lose married women badly, they are going to get crushed.

 

[kaz]

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

Trump will be the man. I have trust in his leadership qualities. he has people who have people. I mean business people, people who know things politicians don't. hilarious no!!!!

Knowing how to run a successful football team doesn't mean you know how to run a football league successfully

 

[bravoactual]

Having a lead of 8.5 or 3 coming from a lead of more than 20 has got to rattle someone's cage.

Hilly is too old. Her issues are misplaced. She wants to run on white privilege? How about the creaky women's rights?

She's old and not holding her age well.

Hillary had a 20 point lead last summer when everyone thought Trump was a joke and he was polling at 3%.

Since February, Hillary has widened her lead to the highest level since last summer.

And every Cruz right now is saying they won't vote for Trump while Bernie is pumping he will support Hillary when he finally gives up. And Hillary is unpleasant and disliked and distrusted almost as much as Trump.

I'm surprised he's as close as he is right now, the worst time for polling for him. Once Cruz drops out, and it looks like a matter of time until Trump wins, his supporters will start to think well, Trump is better than Hillary.

I won't, I'm going third party since it does look like Trump v. Hillary. But that Republicans aren't going to show up when they hate Hillary more than Democrats like her seems unlikely

"And Every Cruz"?

How many are there.

 

[kaz]

I asked you if you were interested, you said no

thanks for playing.

If you want to have a serious discussion about it, it works. You gave a combative reply to the original question and here you're saying well, you never explained. If you just want to argue a side, I'm not interested. What is your interest?

personally I have no interest, my vote is for Trump cause he will bring jobs back. I really don't care why they left. he'll fight to get people to work as capitalists and not socialists. So if you choose socialism, vote for the third party guy. But know you voted for socialism the opposite of what you stated you wanted, free market capitalism. I don't get you all, just confusing as anything. say one thing vote differently. Wow.

I asked if you were interested in actually understanding how cost calculations are actually done since you only know a piece of it, which is direct salaries. Your answer was essentially no. Then you asked why I hadn't explained. I said you said you weren't interested the first time, are you now? Now you're saying no again. Just make up your mind, please. All I'm saying is I'm not going to the trouble to write it up if you're not interested anyway, which you keep saying you're not.

And Trump is going to kill jobs with protectionism, he's only telling you he's going to create them. Just like Obama tells you he's creating jobs when he's doing nothing but killing them. Free trade is the heart of free markets. You can live without an arm, but not your heart. American businesses kick ass, we compete fine. It's our own government that's hurting us the most. And Trump is promising more of that

Trump will be the man. I have trust in his leadership qualities. he has people who have people. I mean business people, people who know things politicians don't. hilarious no!!!!

Well, I do agree that we have no real choice at this point. It looks like Cruz is done. So I hope you're right that Trump knows more than economists do about economies

 

[kaz]

Having a lead of 8.5 or 3 coming from a lead of more than 20 has got to rattle someone's cage.

Hilly is too old. Her issues are misplaced. She wants to run on white privilege? How about the creaky women's rights?

She's old and not holding her age well.

Hillary had a 20 point lead last summer when everyone thought Trump was a joke and he was polling at 3%.

Since February, Hillary has widened her lead to the highest level since last summer.

And every Cruz right now is saying they won't vote for Trump while Bernie is pumping he will support Hillary when he finally gives up. And Hillary is unpleasant and disliked and distrusted almost as much as Trump.

I'm surprised he's as close as he is right now, the worst time for polling for him. Once Cruz drops out, and it looks like a matter of time until Trump wins, his supporters will start to think well, Trump is better than Hillary.

I won't, I'm going third party since it does look like Trump v. Hillary. But that Republicans aren't going to show up when they hate Hillary more than Democrats like her seems unlikely

"And Every Cruz"?

How many are there.

OK, wise guy, "every Cruz supporter." You didn't get that was what I meant? Seriously?

 

[Toro]

And here is a reason he could win.

In a recent poll only 39% of women care who gets elected.

Now remember, women don't like Hillary or Trump, so they may not vote for Trump, but they aren't likely to go out of their way to vote for Hillary either.

Hillary has to have the woman vote to win.

In a recent poll, Hillary is leading Trump by 10% amongst married women, a group Romney won.

That spells disaster for the GOP.

You do realize that "married women" is an ever fluctuating demographic, right?

Statistically, no more than any other demographic.