This is why we need to tax the wealthy

[BluesLegend]

That's obviously you, stop projecting yourself on me punk.

Without the wealthy you losers would be fighting in the streets over scraps of food. Go pay your credit card bill and work your shift at JC Penney.

 

[jc456]

Because it's NOT something I ever argued for.

It’s your democrats who do it

 

[BluesLegend]

Nonsense.

Snap out of it.

That one is too far gone, liberal INDOCTRINATION.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Without the wealthy you losers would be fighting in the streets over scraps of food. Go pay your credit card bill and work your shift at JC Penney.

Without workers the wealthy would starve to death and go out of business. Think retard.

 

[Mashmont]

In my opinion, society should prohibit anyone from hoarding capital beyond a hundred million or having a net income of more than $12 million yearly. Having people in a society with more money than a country undermines democracy and creates social unrest. It's dangerous. Capitalism is more sustainable with a few boundaries. A mixed market economy is what has worked best so far, with plenty of capitalism within a consumer goods industry and socialism for heavy, vital industries like energy, mining, utilities, and a few others. Those mixed economies also have robust social safety nets for their working class, which mitigates the endemic problems of capitalism.

Here in the United States we have a brutal, corrupt plutocracy that serves the vested interests of the highest bidder at the expense of the public good. It wasn't that bad after WW2, when the US was the manufacturing hub of the world. My grandfather migrated here from another country with a few cents in his pocket, a wife, and kids, and four years later, working a blue-collar job, he purchased his house cash, free of a bank loan or any assistance from the government. He retired with a pension in the 1980s and lived ten more years.

Most of you on this forum are in your 60s and 70s, with some even older, hence you remember the good old days, but unfortunately, the American worker is no longer part of the aristocracy of labor. We're at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to the standard of living among modern, industrialized nations. The lowest stats and public satisfaction among citizens are here in the US. Look it up. We score at the bottom. We're good at war.

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Save it. I don't have to go anywhere, it's all of you who constantly tell me to leave when I point out our problems and flaws who need to leave. We need to fix it, not leave. FIX IT.

Notice leftwing leaders always exempt themselves from rules they impose on others. You don't see Chimpy, ever the advocate for the poor, living in a hovel. He lives in the lap of luxury pn a posh island in an oceanfront mansion. Completely insulated from the poor and blacks he claimed to champion.

The point is, you would place limits on individuals to earn and own, yet the politicians you endorse would follow no such limits.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Notice leftwing leaders always exempt themselves from rules they impose on others. You don't see Chimpy, ever the advocate for the poor, living in a hovel. He lives in the lap of luxury pn a posh island in an oceanfront mansion. Completely insulated from the poor and blacks he claimed to champion.

The point is, you would place limits on individuals to earn and own, yet the politicians you endorse would follow no such limits.

We now limit individual members of society from owning certain things, so it's nothing out of the ordinary. One can't earn anything in a sick, unstable society and economy. Many factors contribute to you and I earning money, because that capital isn't generated in a vacuum. Games need rules, or there's no game.

 

[jc456]

Without workers the wealthy would starve to death and go out of business. Think retard.

Without the wealthy there’d be no workers.

 

[jc456]

Notice leftwing leaders always exempt themselves from rules they impose on others. You don't see Chimpy, ever the advocate for the poor, living in a hovel. He lives in the lap of luxury pn a posh island in an oceanfront mansion. Completely insulated from the poor and blacks he claimed to champion.

The point is, you would place limits on individuals to earn and own, yet the politicians you endorse would follow no such limits.

They already don’t

 

[pknopp]

It’s your democrats who do it

^^^^^^

The internet version of having a childish fit.

 

[Nostra]

Don't get back to me, but just grow a brain that way you can comprehend what you read.

Need help with the definition of percent, Punk?

 

[beagle9]

Well of course if you have more money, you pay more in taxes. Do you actually believe capitalism is sustainable without workers/customers? A society with gross inequality, where workers are struggling to make ends meet no matter how hard they work? If there's no social safety net for America's workforce or an affordable means to educate and train people to make them marketable, our society will fail, just as it's been doing for years. From worse to worse, especially today with all of the advanced technology that replaces human wage labor, we're heading for a collapse, without serious reforms.

BTW there are no taxes in marketless socialism, only in market socialism.

No, nooo, nooooo.... If there was no social safety net in the form that it has taken today, then we would be 100,000 times better off... Companies would have to do right by training for themselves key personnel, and if wanted to keep that trained personnel from leaving to another competitor, then the company would treat that personnel in it's best interest, otherwise instead of abusing that personnel or cheating them. Let the free markets rule, but keep an eye on them through employee abuse hotlines offered.

The government should only see to it that a company pays a minimum wage during the time of training their personnel, and this before the company moves the employee onto the first rungs of it's merit based ladder system (where as the government has no business involved in it anymore at that point)... The government is to oversee the job safety aspects if abuse or danger is evident or a possibility in these fields.

That's it...

 

[beagle9]

Would you like to take a crack at explaining WHY our manufacturing base was gutted in the 1980's? Where did that manufacturing go and why did that happen?

NAFTA, and it was probably associated with huge kick backs from foreign governments that ended up participating in that new trade agreement, otherwise that began undermining our manufacturing industry, and ultimately undermining our country.

 

[jc456]

^^^^^^

The internet version of having a childish fit.

You really are childish

 

[beagle9]

Without the wealthy you losers would be fighting in the streets over scraps of food. Go pay your credit card bill and work your shift at JC Penney.

Read about the aftermath of of the French Revolution, and how the power vacuum created left the poor exactly in a situation that you just described. Not saying that the revolution wasn't needed, but it showed evidence that the lower rungs are lost without leadership in which was a result of not having a plan that would install a stable leadership that would be sufficient to take over immediately afterwards.

 

[jc456]

Read about the aftermath of of the French Revolution, and how the power vacuum created left the poor exactly in a situation that you just described. Not saying that the revolution wasn't needed, but it showed evidence that the lower rungs are lost without leadership in which was a result of not having a plan that would install a stable leadership that would be sufficient to take over immediately afterwards.

Wow, from your mouth, leadership. Yes, leadership is needed in everything!! Family, friends, sports, businesses and politics. Good for you, we all can’t be equal

 

[BackAgain]

Without workers the wealthy would starve to death and go out of business. Think retard.

You do the retard thinking all on your own. Obviously.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You do the retard thinking all on your own. Obviously.

How am I wrong?

 

[TruthNotBS]

No, nooo, nooooo.... If there was no social safety net in the form that it has taken today, then we would be 100,000 times better off... Companies would have to do right by training for themselves key personnel, and if wanted to keep that trained personnel from leaving to another competitor, then the company would treat that personnel in it's best interest, otherwise instead of abusing that personnel or cheating them. Let the free markets rule, but keep an eye on them through employee abuse hotlines offered.

The government should only see to it that a company pays a minimum wage during the time of training their personnel, and this before the company moves the employee onto the first rungs of it's merit based ladder system (where as the government has no business involved in it anymore at that point)... The government is to oversee the job safety aspects if abuse or danger is evident or a possibility in these fields.

That's it...

If there were no social safety net we would be back in the Gilded Age of the 19th century when industrialists with their "free market", laissez-faire capitalism worked their employees for 12 hours daily, if not more, for peanuts. Until socialists began organizing labor unions, workers in this country had little rights and worked under dismal conditions. Social Security, unemployment insurance, the forty-hour work week, minimum wage, overtime pay, sick leave, Medicare, and Medicaid, all contribute to the sustainability of market capitalism.

Everything can't be commodified or privatized. Everything isn't a product or item to be sold in a market.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Need help with the definition of percent, Punk?

It's not my fault you're unable to comprehend what you read. I believe the current tax rate is fine, read what I said, dumbass.

 

[BluesLegend]

Without workers the wealthy would starve to death and go out of business. Think retard.

Fantasy, step away from the Communists for Dummies book.