This Republican has got it right.

[progressive hunter]

You are the Big Brother supporter.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Banning assault weapons so that criminals don't use them to commit mass murder or attack police officers is a legitimate function of the government created by our founders. Telling people who they can marry, what bathroom they are supposed to use, or even who can come in to this country, IS NOT.

that might be true if the 2nd A didnt say otherwise,,,

The second amendment said "arms", not "any arms", not "all arms", just "arms". Hell, even Scalia, in Heller, admitted that the government did have the "right" to regulate firearms as long as it was not a significant "infringement" on the possession of "arms". Until you make an effective argument, that the previous assault weapon ban significantly affected the ability of citizens to own "arms", it is completely constitutional to restore that ban.

it didnt say "some arms"
and if you understood what regulate meant in this context you would know it means good working condition and well supplied,, and as we know a militia is just a civilian military so that means it was for military grade weapons,,,


anything else you would like to know??

He can't read. No wonder he hasn't read 1984. The well regulated part is an explanation of the right, not a limitation on the right. Anyone proficient in English would know that.

And seriously, they put in the Constitution that we can have one gun and the government gets to decide what kind of gun that is? The guy is a raving moron as well as a racist

Federalist 46 takes like two minutes to read, well for me anyway. The importance of the well regulated part lies in "being necessary to the security of a free State", as is clearly explained in Federalist 46. Note, "State" is with a capital "S", also note "Militia" is with a capital "M". Come on, you are way out of your league here, you are just too ignorant to realize it.

you can read the 10th amendment faster than that,,

 

[kaz]

Funny how a guy calling himself Winston would mislabel guns then support government banning them ignoring our Constitutional rights for the non-problem of "assault weapons" (sic) crime.

That while you ignore the real issues. Of course you do, it's a total misdirection by totalitarian government supporters like you, Big Brother

I suspect that this Winston has never read Nineteen Eighty-Four, and is completely unaware that “Winston” is the name of the main character therein.

George Orwell was a committed Socialist.

Yes, he was. And why did he write 1984? So seriously you think it is supporting totalitarian government? Maybe Bob's right, you didn't read it

Why did he write 1984? I am so glad that you asked. First, why Winston, as I have explained to you before but understanding that your lack of intelligence, like Orwell's sheep in Animal Farm, makes you understanding difficult to attain. Winston worked for the Ministry of Information. It was his job to change history, and it bothered him that he was, in a very real sense, a historical revisionist. I have been "Winston" on discussion boards for more than twenty years. I post "truth", have always argued against revisionist, and believe facts matter.

1984 examined the role of truth and facts, and how they are manipulated, within politics. Like in this very thread. I have posted a link to a academic white paper, conducted by professors at, arguably, one of the most conservative universities in the country. The statistical methodology used is there for anyone to examine. The conclusions of the study include the reality, that assault weapons are the weapon of choice among hardcore criminals, especially those willing to attack law enforcement officers. That assault weapons, while involved in only a fraction of all crimes, are disproportionately involved in mass shootings and attacks against law enforcement.

I have also disputed the "untruth" that law enforcement opposes a ban on assault weapons, by posting the official statement of the International Association of Police Chiefs. Sticking to the facts, pointing out the truth, is what I do, and Winston is a quite appropriate moniker.

But like I said, Animal Farm is more applicable here. Napoleon believed in arming the animals. Snowball believed in building alliances with the animals on neighboring farms and improving education. Napoleon presented no real new ideas, he only attacked those of Snowball, and arguments were shut down when the sheep yelled, "Four legs good, two legs bad" and drowned out any opposition. Trump is Napoleon, you are your cohorts are the sheep, truth does not matter, and all you do is yell the equivalent of "Four legs good, two legs bad". Winston will stand with truth, present facts, and hope there are some on this messageboard that can siphon through your horseshit and see that TRUTH.

My God you can't stop blustering. None of that explains how you are Winston when you are a huge Big Brother supporter.

Here's the funny thing that you don't realize. Winston was NOT a Big Brother supporter. Sorry, should have given you a spoiler alert ...

You are the Big Brother supporter.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Banning assault weapons so that criminals don't use them to commit mass murder or attack police officers is a legitimate function of the government created by our founders. Telling people who they can marry, what bathroom they are supposed to use, or even who can come in to this country, IS NOT.

that might be true if the 2nd A didnt say otherwise,,,

The second amendment said "arms", not "any arms", not "all arms", just "arms". Hell, even Scalia, in Heller, admitted that the government did have the "right" to regulate firearms as long as it was not a significant "infringement" on the possession of "arms". Until you make an effective argument, that the previous assault weapon ban significantly affected the ability of citizens to own "arms", it is completely constitutional to restore that ban.

it didnt say "some arms"
and if you understood what regulate meant in this context you would know it means good working condition and well supplied,, and as we know a militia is just a civilian military so that means it was for military grade weapons,,,


anything else you would like to know??

I am sorry, but Miller is dead. Heller now rules. The second amendment is based on the individual right to self-defense. Besides, the whole militia to take over the government is total horseshit.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

The militia was for protection against invaders, and rounding up escaped slaves. There is no "constitutional right to insurrection". If there was, why even have a section on Treason within the Constitution.

you sound scared,,,

Oh yeah, I am so scared. You yahoos are all mouth. I bet not a single one of you even knows what the Appleseed project is.

So you have a problem with people teaching proper gun safety and basic marksmanship? I think it should be taught in every school.

.

You mean it is not taught in every school, cause it sure was taught in mine, and still is. See, all you gun nuts like to believe that anyone that supports gun control is afraid of guns, does not know how to use them, and doesn't understand basic gun safety. You are sadly mistaken. Hell, right here in this thread we have a MORON that broadcasts he has all kinds of guns in his house and KEEPS THEM ALL LOADED. He sure as hell never had a gun safety class.

Guns are a tool, and they can be very targeted. I have many guns, each has a specific purpose, most of them for specific game. And yes, some of them are for self-defense. I mentioned the Appleseed project and I am quite sure no one in this thread, other than me, the gun control advocate, even knows what it is. Let alone having qualified, as have all six of my children.

isnt the 2nd rule of gun safety that all guns are loaded???

You treat every gun as if it is loaded. But no, you don't keep all your guns loaded. Damn, even when hunting, you walk with the breechblock open and the safety on.

wouldnt that depend on how many guns you have and what theyre used for??

but if you treat everyone as if it was loaded then theres no real danger or problem,,,

Yep. I never pick up a gun without first verifying it isn't loaded. Even guns in my collection that haven't been loaded in 40 years. I can't imagine otherwise. I always think of the people who said they didn't know it was loaded. That will never happen to me

 

[progressive hunter]

You claimed Vulcans can't lie.

I never said anything of the kind,,,

Sorry, I had my finger on the trigger. It was meant for Kaz.

if youre this careless with computer I hope you dont own a gun,,

 

[Dragonlady]

What is an assault rifle and how does it differ from a regular rifle?

One is designed to kill 20 people in 10 seconds and the other one isn't.
One is designed for military use and warfare, the other one isn't.
Any other incredibly stupid questions?

They know you mean combat weapons. The ones with no legitimate purpose.

And the ones that commit roughly zero percent of the murders in this country.

So just to be clear, you read the Constitution and find where it says we need to justify needing our Constitutional rights protected. I don't see that qualification, can you show me where it says that?

Does that work with free speech? Religion? Due process? You think they start with a judicial hearing where you first prove you need them before you get them? You are actually this stupid, aren't you?

That blither of your argument holds no water whatsoever. The wording of the constitution is very clear. “A well regulated militia being necessary to the defence of the nation” qualifies the reason why citizens needed the right to bear arms. The Founders never would’ve added that qualifier if the militias the weren’t the reason citizens needed the right.

In 1776 there were no repeating weapons of any kind. There were single shot muskets and pistols, and they were wildly inaccurate. Once a single shot was fired, the shooter had to stop, and reload both gunpowder and shot. Homemade bullets varied by shape and weight because they were homemade and rarely flew true.

The militia act of 1903 ended militias in the United States of America. The Second Amendment should have been revisited at the time but it wasn’t.

But today’s NRA interpretation of the second amendment of an unfettered right to own any kind of weapon of your choosing is total bullshit. If the founders could see the effects of mass shootings where hundreds of rounds are fired within seconds.

It’s not just that the AR weapons fire dozens of rounds very quickly, the bullets that they fire us were designed for warfare and to ensure that the enemy combatant did not get up. These bullets do a tremendous amount of damage when they pass through the body causing lifelong disabilities and medical problems for survivors.

AR weapons have been used in virtually every mass public shooting in the United States since Columbine.

 

[kaz]

You can have as many muzzle loaders as you want.

OK, so the first Amendment doesn't apply to TV or radio because they didn't exist in 1776. The right to due process doesn't apply to your automobile or your phone because they didn't exist in 1776. You seriously just said that, Creep. Sure, that's what they meant

I believe you made the opposite argument previously.

it's in the Constitution because judges decided it is, not because the Constitution says that. - Kaz Apr 13, 2021 Forum: Politics

I personally believe the founding fathers would be horrified that every whack-job in the country has access to weapons that can empty out an entire theater in a few moments.

are you talking about the same founders that said if you give up freedom for security you deserve neither??

You mean like the freedoms to go to the movies without fear of getting shot?

There is no such right.

Creep wants cops to kill more blacks, so he wants to disarm honest black citizens so they can't shoot back when murdering cops try to kill them

 

[meaner gene]

OK, Creep. Let's walk through that.

So government takes legal guns from non-criminal gun owners.

Where is the part that makes you safer? You thought honest citizens were the ones shooting at you?

First, they aren't confiscating all guns, but instead cutting down on the numbers. With fewer guns, the owner actually becomes more responsible. As OkTex said, he keeps all his guns loaded. The fewer that number, the safer people in his house (like visiting children) are.

Also since 7% of crimes with guns were traced to guns acquired during a burglary. The fewer guns in peoples hands the fewer guns to fall into criminal hands.

 

[progressive hunter]

What is an assault rifle and how does it differ from a regular rifle?

One is designed to kill 20 people in 10 seconds and the other one isn't.
One is designed for military use and warfare, the other one isn't.
Any other incredibly stupid questions?

They know you mean combat weapons. The ones with no legitimate purpose.

And the ones that commit roughly zero percent of the murders in this country.

So just to be clear, you read the Constitution and find where it says we need to justify needing our Constitutional rights protected. I don't see that qualification, can you show me where it says that?

Does that work with free speech? Religion? Due process? You think they start with a judicial hearing where you first prove you need them before you get them? You are actually this stupid, aren't you?

That blither of your argument holds no water whatsoever. The wording of the constitution is very clear. “A well regulated militia being necessary to the defence of the nation” qualifies the reason why citizens needed the right to bear arms. The Founders never would’ve added that qualifier if the militias the weren’t the reason citizens needed the right.

In 1776 there were no repeating weapons of any kind. There were single shot muskets and pistols, and they were wildly inaccurate. Once a single shot was fired, the shooter had to stop, and reload both gunpowder and shot. Homemade bullets varied by shape and weight because they were homemade and rarely flew true.

The militia act of 1903 ended militias in the United States of America. The Second Amendment should have been revisited at the time but it wasn’t.

But today’s NRA interpretation of the second amendment of an unfettered right to own any kind of weapon of your choosing is total bullshit. If the founders could see the effects of mass shootings where hundreds of rounds are fired within seconds.

It’s not just that the AR weapons fire dozens of rounds very quickly, the bullets that they fire us were designed for warfare and to ensure that the enemy combatant did not get up. These bullets do a tremendous amount of damage when they pass through the body causing lifelong disabilities and medical problems for survivors.

AR weapons have been used in virtually every mass public shooting in the United States since Columbine.

OH SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!!

this doesnt concern you,,,

 

[kaz]

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You mean it is not taught in every school, cause it sure was taught in mine, and still is. See, all you gun nuts like to believe that anyone that supports gun control is afraid of guns, does not know how to use them, and doesn't understand basic gun safety. You are sadly mistaken. Hell, right here in this thread we have a MORON that broadcasts he has all kinds of guns in his house and KEEPS THEM ALL LOADED. He sure as hell never had a gun safety class.

Guns are a tool, and they can be very targeted. I have many guns, each has a specific purpose, most of them for specific game. And yes, some of them are for self-defense. I mentioned the Appleseed project and I am quite sure no one in this thread, other than me, the gun control advocate, even knows what it is. Let alone having qualified, as have all six of my children.

isnt the 2nd rule of gun safety that all guns are loaded???

You treat every gun as if it is loaded. But no, you don't keep all your guns loaded. Damn, even when hunting, you walk with the breechblock open and the safety on.

wouldnt that depend on how many guns you have and what theyre used for??

but if you treat everyone as if it was loaded then theres no real danger or problem,,,

Radio was what everyone called him. It was over 12 years ago. He was on my son's football team. He was ten, actually just turned ten, finally old enough to join his father and grandfather in a squirrel hunt. To celebrate that milestone they climbed in the old golf cart and headed across the pasture to the woods, his .410 loaded and hanging in the back of the cart. The cart hit a bump, the .410 fell and went off when it hit the floor shooting Radio in the back. He died about three hours later. They buried him with his slingshot. The saddest funeral I ever attended.

So just to be clear, if we tell you a sad story about one person who was killed because of a law you support then you'll change sides. That's your standard?

It's certainly a sad story. But you're such a liar, I'll say flat out I don't believe you. You lie all the time about everything. You're also a racist

 

[kaz]

I am willing to bet I know more about the American Revolution and the founding of this nation than you will ever know.

You are a Leftist ....

Whatever you think happened in that Alternate Left Reality you live in ....

DID NOT HAPPEN !!!!

That's Winston. He thinks that George Orwell's message in 1984 was supporting statism and that Winston was on the same side as big brother.

Anything Winston knows about the American Revolution he made up. He's also a racist

 

[OKTexas]

So you call 2 million defensive uses of firearms a year a "small fraction

I call that imaginary.

“Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

CDC Releases Study on Gun Violence: Defensive gun use common, mass shootings not :: Guns.com

The CDC recently conducted a study on the causes and prevention of gun violence with some shocking results for both sides of the gun debate.

www.guns.com

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[kaz]

LOL, you flat out lied taking a sarcastic comment, selectively editing out the part that showed you were lying and presenting it as if that's what I meant.

I went back and read the thread. And like I said....

You were trying to argue against US v Miller, claiming "common use" wasn't in the constitution, before pointing out that from TV's to the internet, the constitution indeed protects them by constitutional interpretation through case law.

So you argued for case law and against it.

I already showed you the rest of the quote, which proved you were lying.

It was SARCASM you stupid fucking racist

 

[bripat9643]

I am willing to bet I know more about the American Revolution and the founding of this nation than you will ever know.

You are a Leftist ....

Whatever you think happened in that Alternate Left Reality you live in ....

DID NOT HAPPEN !!!!

That's Winston. He thinks that George Orwell's message in 1984 was supporting statism and that Winston was on the same side as big brother.

Anything Winston knows about the American Revolution he made up. He's also a racist

He thinks 1984 is a how-to book.

 

[meaner gene]

Sorry, I had my finger on the trigger. It was meant for Kaz.

if youre this careless with computer I hope you dont own a gun,,

Well you'd be wrong. I could tell you the tale of how I actually used a firearm to bring down an armed burglar, but I can't give out too many details, because it made all the papers, and i'd get doxed.

 

[kaz]

You're the opposite of Vulcans. Vulcans can't lie, you can't tell the truth.

More examples. The vulcan high command lied to the Andorians.
Commander T'Pol lied to the vulcan high command.

Wow, that's way more times than Democrats have told the truth. And you're a racist

 

[kaz]

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You mean it is not taught in every school, cause it sure was taught in mine, and still is. See, all you gun nuts like to believe that anyone that supports gun control is afraid of guns, does not know how to use them, and doesn't understand basic gun safety. You are sadly mistaken. Hell, right here in this thread we have a MORON that broadcasts he has all kinds of guns in his house and KEEPS THEM ALL LOADED. He sure as hell never had a gun safety class.

Guns are a tool, and they can be very targeted. I have many guns, each has a specific purpose, most of them for specific game. And yes, some of them are for self-defense. I mentioned the Appleseed project and I am quite sure no one in this thread, other than me, the gun control advocate, even knows what it is. Let alone having qualified, as have all six of my children.

What's wrong with keeping loaded guns in your house, I keep several loaded all the time. There's nothing unsafe about that. As for the rest of your disingenuous crap, shove it. Just saying the word "gun" can get you suspended from a lot of schools, but you already knew that.

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At my school many students had guns in the trunk of their car so that they could go hunting when school let out. It is still that way today. In fact, the school board approved just such a scenario. In this part of the country the first thing the local boy scout troop does is take the scouts on a coon hunt and then they make coonskin caps. And if you keep loaded guns in your house you are just STUPID. And honestly, you have no business in this thread because you are doing more to support my arguments than your own.

I did that all the time, kept a gun in my car to go hunting after school. It would never had occurred to me not to. It also would never have occurred for me to keep it loaded in my car or to take it out of the car at school

 

[kaz]

.

You mean it is not taught in every school, cause it sure was taught in mine, and still is. See, all you gun nuts like to believe that anyone that supports gun control is afraid of guns, does not know how to use them, and doesn't understand basic gun safety. You are sadly mistaken. Hell, right here in this thread we have a MORON that broadcasts he has all kinds of guns in his house and KEEPS THEM ALL LOADED. He sure as hell never had a gun safety class.

Guns are a tool, and they can be very targeted. I have many guns, each has a specific purpose, most of them for specific game. And yes, some of them are for self-defense. I mentioned the Appleseed project and I am quite sure no one in this thread, other than me, the gun control advocate, even knows what it is. Let alone having qualified, as have all six of my children.

isnt the 2nd rule of gun safety that all guns are loaded???

You treat every gun as if it is loaded. But no, you don't keep all your guns loaded. Damn, even when hunting, you walk with the breechblock open and the safety on.

wouldnt that depend on how many guns you have and what theyre used for??

but if you treat everyone as if it was loaded then theres no real danger or problem,,,

Radio was what everyone called him. It was over 12 years ago. He was on my son's football team. He was ten, actually just turned ten, finally old enough to join his father and grandfather in a squirrel hunt. To celebrate that milestone they climbed in the old golf cart and headed across the pasture to the woods, his .410 loaded and hanging in the back of the cart. The cart hit a bump, the .410 fell and went off when it hit the floor shooting Radio in the back. He died about three hours later. They buried him with his slingshot. The saddest funeral I ever attended.

sounds like he had bad parenting and gun control,,,

Yep. If Winston isn't lying and he probably is because he's a liar and a racist, it is so sad that kid didn't have a better father or family to teach him how to hunt safely

 

[meaner gene]

I went back and read the thread. And like I said....

You were trying to argue against US v Miller, claiming "common use" wasn't in the constitution, before pointing out that from TV's to the internet, the constitution indeed protects them by constitutional interpretation through case law.

So you argued for case law and against it.

I already showed you the rest of the quote, which proved you were lying.

It was SARCASM you stupid fucking racist

Your sarcasm supported the rest of the thread.
If you want I can post the whole thread, but it will take a couple of minutes.

 

[OKTexas]

Funny how a guy calling himself Winston would mislabel guns then support government banning them ignoring our Constitutional rights for the non-problem of "assault weapons" (sic) crime.

That while you ignore the real issues. Of course you do, it's a total misdirection by totalitarian government supporters like you, Big Brother

I suspect that this Winston has never read Nineteen Eighty-Four, and is completely unaware that “Winston” is the name of the main character therein.

George Orwell was a committed Socialist.

Yes, he was. And why did he write 1984? So seriously you think it is supporting totalitarian government? Maybe Bob's right, you didn't read it

Why did he write 1984? I am so glad that you asked. First, why Winston, as I have explained to you before but understanding that your lack of intelligence, like Orwell's sheep in Animal Farm, makes you understanding difficult to attain. Winston worked for the Ministry of Information. It was his job to change history, and it bothered him that he was, in a very real sense, a historical revisionist. I have been "Winston" on discussion boards for more than twenty years. I post "truth", have always argued against revisionist, and believe facts matter.

1984 examined the role of truth and facts, and how they are manipulated, within politics. Like in this very thread. I have posted a link to a academic white paper, conducted by professors at, arguably, one of the most conservative universities in the country. The statistical methodology used is there for anyone to examine. The conclusions of the study include the reality, that assault weapons are the weapon of choice among hardcore criminals, especially those willing to attack law enforcement officers. That assault weapons, while involved in only a fraction of all crimes, are disproportionately involved in mass shootings and attacks against law enforcement.

I have also disputed the "untruth" that law enforcement opposes a ban on assault weapons, by posting the official statement of the International Association of Police Chiefs. Sticking to the facts, pointing out the truth, is what I do, and Winston is a quite appropriate moniker.

But like I said, Animal Farm is more applicable here. Napoleon believed in arming the animals. Snowball believed in building alliances with the animals on neighboring farms and improving education. Napoleon presented no real new ideas, he only attacked those of Snowball, and arguments were shut down when the sheep yelled, "Four legs good, two legs bad" and drowned out any opposition. Trump is Napoleon, you are your cohorts are the sheep, truth does not matter, and all you do is yell the equivalent of "Four legs good, two legs bad". Winston will stand with truth, present facts, and hope there are some on this messageboard that can siphon through your horseshit and see that TRUTH.

My God you can't stop blustering. None of that explains how you are Winston when you are a huge Big Brother supporter.

Here's the funny thing that you don't realize. Winston was NOT a Big Brother supporter. Sorry, should have given you a spoiler alert ...

You are the Big Brother supporter.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Banning assault weapons so that criminals don't use them to commit mass murder or attack police officers is a legitimate function of the government created by our founders. Telling people who they can marry, what bathroom they are supposed to use, or even who can come in to this country, IS NOT.

that might be true if the 2nd A didnt say otherwise,,,

The second amendment said "arms", not "any arms", not "all arms", just "arms". Hell, even Scalia, in Heller, admitted that the government did have the "right" to regulate firearms as long as it was not a significant "infringement" on the possession of "arms". Until you make an effective argument, that the previous assault weapon ban significantly affected the ability of citizens to own "arms", it is completely constitutional to restore that ban.

it didnt say "some arms"
and if you understood what regulate meant in this context you would know it means good working condition and well supplied,, and as we know a militia is just a civilian military so that means it was for military grade weapons,,,


anything else you would like to know??

I am sorry, but Miller is dead. Heller now rules. The second amendment is based on the individual right to self-defense. Besides, the whole militia to take over the government is total horseshit.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

The militia was for protection against invaders, and rounding up escaped slaves. There is no "constitutional right to insurrection". If there was, why even have a section on Treason within the Constitution.

you sound scared,,,

Oh yeah, I am so scared. You yahoos are all mouth. I bet not a single one of you even knows what the Appleseed project is.

So you have a problem with people teaching proper gun safety and basic marksmanship? I think it should be taught in every school.

.

You mean it is not taught in every school, cause it sure was taught in mine, and still is. See, all you gun nuts like to believe that anyone that supports gun control is afraid of guns, does not know how to use them, and doesn't understand basic gun safety. You are sadly mistaken. Hell, right here in this thread we have a MORON that broadcasts he has all kinds of guns in his house and KEEPS THEM ALL LOADED. He sure as hell never had a gun safety class.

Guns are a tool, and they can be very targeted. I have many guns, each has a specific purpose, most of them for specific game. And yes, some of them are for self-defense. I mentioned the Appleseed project and I am quite sure no one in this thread, other than me, the gun control advocate, even knows what it is. Let alone having qualified, as have all six of my children.

isnt the 2nd rule of gun safety that all guns are loaded???

You treat every gun as if it is loaded. But no, you don't keep all your guns loaded. Damn, even when hunting, you walk with the breechblock open and the safety on.

wouldnt that depend on how many guns you have and what theyre used for??

but if you treat everyone as if it was loaded then theres no real danger or problem,,,

Radio was what everyone called him. It was over 12 years ago. He was on my son's football team. He was ten, actually just turned ten, finally old enough to join his father and grandfather in a squirrel hunt. To celebrate that milestone they climbed in the old golf cart and headed across the pasture to the woods, his .410 loaded and hanging in the back of the cart. The cart hit a bump, the .410 fell and went off when it hit the floor shooting Radio in the back. He died about three hours later. They buried him with his slingshot. The saddest funeral I ever attended.

Damn, I've never been in a pasture that had a floor. Exactly how do you grow grass on a floor?

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[kaz]

My God you can't stop blustering. None of that explains how you are Winston when you are a huge Big Brother supporter.

Here's the funny thing that you don't realize. Winston was NOT a Big Brother supporter. Sorry, should have given you a spoiler alert ...

You are the Big Brother supporter.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

Banning assault weapons so that criminals don't use them to commit mass murder or attack police officers is a legitimate function of the government created by our founders. Telling people who they can marry, what bathroom they are supposed to use, or even who can come in to this country, IS NOT.

that might be true if the 2nd A didnt say otherwise,,,

The second amendment said "arms", not "any arms", not "all arms", just "arms". Hell, even Scalia, in Heller, admitted that the government did have the "right" to regulate firearms as long as it was not a significant "infringement" on the possession of "arms". Until you make an effective argument, that the previous assault weapon ban significantly affected the ability of citizens to own "arms", it is completely constitutional to restore that ban.

Yes, you mentioned before that the founders said it is up to government what our gun rights are. God you're stupid. First of all, besides 1984 you never read anything the founders wrote. Second, the 2A protects us FROM government, it's not a power of government you fucking retard. Third you're a racist

LMAO, God but you are stupid. Orwell was not a founder. But Madison was, in Federalist 46 he clearly explains the reasoning behind the second amendment. Regulating firearms is not a power of the federal government, but it is within the power of state governments, per Federalist 46. But who am I kidding, you don't even know what the Federalist papers are, let alone what any of them said.

First of all you're an eight year old parroting what I said back to you.

Second, you are actually stupid, I didn't say Orwell was a founder. "besides 1984 you never read anything the founders wrote." That says BESIDES 1984 you stupid fuck.

Third, you're a racist

 

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You're the opposite of Vulcans. Vulcans can't lie, you can't tell the truth.

More examples. The vulcan high command lied to the Andorians.
Commander T'Pol lied to the vulcan high command.

Wow, that's way more times than Democrats have told the truth. And you're a racist

If you're going to make a claim about vulcans, maybe you should watch the series.