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sure Mexico is. they already agreed to asylum to thousands of the caravan. You didn't know that? so how could they do that if they aren't a a country that does that? you're funny. You must be a leftist. BTW, are you saying all these people decided to seek asylum at the same time? magically found each other and decided to walk together? how did they eat and use washrooms during their walk?yes it is....by order of the president of mexico and president Trump two weeks ago....Mexico said they would provide them with a safe harbor and offer asylum....so why do you want them to get in?....Did you even bother to read your own link? Yes, if the country is designated ALREADY as a "safe third country", they would have to seek asylum there. But, currently, Mexico isn't designated as a safe third country YET.
Actually, no, Mexico isn't designated as a safe third country yet, and the incoming Mexican administration said they won't be either. They will allow a short term solution, but Mexico isn't going to be designated as a safe third country. And this article was written last week.
Incoming Mexico gov’t: No deal to host US asylum-seekers - The Washington Post
MEXICO CITY — Mexico’s incoming government denied a report Saturday that it plans to allow asylum-seekers to wait in the country while their claims move through U.S. immigration courts, one of several options the Trump administration has been pursuing in negotiations for months.
The deal was seen as a way to dissuade thousands of Central American migrants from seeking asylum in the U.S., a process that can take years. In effect, Mexican border towns are already acting as waiting rooms for migrants hoping to start new lives in the U.S. due to bottlenecks at the border.
“There is no agreement of any sort between the incoming Mexican government and the U.S. government,” future Interior Minister Olga Sanchez said in a statement.
Hours earlier, The Washington Post quoted her as saying that the incoming administration of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador had agreed to allow migrants to stay in Mexico as a “short-term solution” while the U.S. considered their applications for asylum. Lopez Obrador will take office on Dec. 1.
The statement shared with The Associated Press said the future government’s principal concern related to the migrants is their well-being while in Mexico.
The Washington Post reported Saturday that the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has won support from the Mexican president-elect’s team for a plan dubbed “Remain in Mexico.”
The newspaper also quoted Sanchez as saying: “For now, we have agreed to this policy of Remain in Mexico.”
Sanchez did not explain in the statement why The Washington Post had quoted her as saying there had been agreement.
your hatred for Trump is stronger than your love for your country....
Actually, it's because I love my country (served over 20 years in the military), and don't want to see Trump fuck it up. THAT is the reason I call Trump on his bullshit.
So now you can see that Mexico ISN'T a safe third country, and no long term agreement has been worked out. So, because Mexico isn't a safe third country yet, the immigrants are legally allowed to seek asylum in the US.
Trump told you that N. Korea denuclearized, but they haven't.
Now, Trump is telling you that Mexico is a safe third country, but currently, it isn't, and according to the president of Mexico, they won't become one either.
they haven't closed the border. link!!!It means, DOPE, that they aren't allowing regular passage through, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE. You may not know this, sitting in your leftist LaLa-Land wherever the fuck you are, but those of us who live near the border know that the "closed" doesn't mean "abandoned". The Border Patrol is still hanging around. Which means if you have a legitimate asylum request, you can still find someone to make it to.
Mouthbreather.
Closed means not open for business.
It means they arent processing anyone, dope.
See above. You clearly need to read things multiple times for the English to sink in.
Yes, closed doesn't mean closed it really means we're actually open but you have to ask one of the officers there to keep you out.
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Yes, words don't really mean words. They mean whatever the fuck you want to interpret them as, no matter how many damned times your ignorant ass has it explained to you.
I can only assume that's an actual picture of you sitting at your computer, deluding yourself that you're thinking and making cogent points.
If they wanted to accept asylum applications, they wouldn't have closed the border........Dope.
And?People that legally immigrate to the US wait months and even years to do so. They pay thousands of dollars travel and relocation cost. They give up their jobs, their friends, their home, and their way of life to come here. America benefits by legal immigration just as immigrant do. It is not generosity. History shows us that it is mutually beneficial.What's the big deal about just getting a work visa and then applying for citizenship?
We have normal ways to immigrate.
The Unites States of America allows a million foreigners to become citizens of this country every year. No other industrialized or modernized country in the world comes close to our generosity.
So don't let these leftists tell you we are being greedy, inconsiderate, or uncaring of other people in the world outside our country unless they can show you one other country that comes close to ours when it comes to immigration.
they are applying for asylum in Mexico? wait, how can that be, you or one of you said Mexico can't do that. yet they already have. but you and yours are in here saying nope like you are the immigration experts. too fking funny.They are offering safe harbor for those applying for asylum in Mexico, not the US.yes it is....by order of the president of mexico and president Trump two weeks ago....Mexico said they would provide them with a safe harbor and offer asylum....so why do you want them to get in?....Did you even bother to read your own link? Yes, if the country is designated ALREADY as a "safe third country", they would have to seek asylum there. But, currently, Mexico isn't designated as a safe third country YET.
Think about it . If that was the process the INS would be bombarded with millions of apps every year .
God do any of you ever put a thought into anything you say?
And that's exactly what happened under Hussein. Ever hear of Catch and Release?
Right . Cause our immigration courts are swamped. Better to spend wall money on more courts and agents .
By the way , catch and release is way cheaper than jailing everyone .
If we had a law that anybody caught here illegally faces a minimum five year federal prison sentence, nobody would come here illegally.
Asylum Seekers are not in the US illegally... Have you got that?
Maybe, but what about the 20 million illegals that are?
why don't you want the US to be the same way?You can't legally work in Mexico without a work permit. The permit is paid for and issued to employer. Mexico like most countries controls foreign workers.Mexico is perfectly safe for these people...they even speak the same language...they can find jobs easier there than hear...they can fit in easier there than here....come on man...don't let your hatred of Trump make you crazy...So now you can see that Mexico ISN'T a safe third country, and no long term agreement has been worked out. So, because Mexico isn't a safe third country yet, the immigrants are legally allowed to seek asylum in the US.
I didn't say you mail off an application. I said you apply at an embassy. If you have creditable fear of returning to your home, embassies can offer temporary sanctuary until an asylum agent can conduct and interview. Investigations and background checks can be done much better in the home country than an in an immigration office in the US.Our laws give them the right to apply for asylum. Unfortunately our laws require them to come to the US to do so.You act like they have a right to come in. Too fkn bad let em come and kill em all rioting! I’m all good you’re a dickTelling 4,000 people that walked 2,000 miles to get to the border that they have go back home and get more identification should be good for another riot at the border which would certainly please Trump immensely.all congress has to do this next month is pass a one line bill written like the president's EO..
New executive order making immigrants ineligible for asylum if they arrive in the U.S. without papers. It's really quite simple and they can do while they have the House.
BTW, Mexico requires ids at both their southern and northern border.
International law on asylum assumes that if they genuinely need it, they're fleeing whatever they need asylum from. So yeah, mailing off an application and waiting for a reply wouldn't really be a thing. That's also why asylum laws specify that you apply in the first safe country; because, if you're really a refugee, you're about safety, not "country-shopping".
Meanwhile, we have yet to deny all these marchers the ability to request asylum. They - and you - just need to get over the idea that such requests are made by staging riots, assaulting Border Patrol officers, crossing barriers, and whining and crying.
I thought they had to be in our country?
all of the US stuff is done at a port of entry. not along the wall. illegal is illegal. Look up the definition.If Mexico's intent is to deport them back to their home country if Trump makes them wait in Mexico, it seems to me that Trump would be circumventing the law by forcing them to wait in Mexico, assuming they have creditable fear of returning home.So, you can then state the law that says if Mexico does not allow them to stay there, that we must let them in? Mexico offered this to the US and the UN as a solution to the problem. The fact that they now wish to do otherwise is not incumbent upon us to change the course of action.Trump's new plan is to have asylum seekers wait in Mexico if they can not establish creditable fear of doing so. A Mexican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that current Mexican immigration law does not allow those seeking asylum in another country to stay in Mexico.Very few immigrants win their asylum claims and are denied entry into the nation...but we used to let them in to wait for a hearing they never show up for....Trump has ended that nonsense...now they must wait outside of the US...
Therefore, having them wait in Mexico would be tantamount to sending them back to the country they are trying to escape. I think Trump is going to end up in court again. It's not quite as easy for Trump as president to skirt around the law as it was when he was president of the Trump Organization.
The whole point of our immigration policy is to allow IN only those who have met our standards of immigration. The fact remains, it is wrong and an illicit use of power to want to bring in people whom you know cannot pass asylum criteria in the hopes that they'll be released into our society awaiting a backlogged judiciary.
They can wait OUTSIDE our borders for their claims to be adjudicated.
We do not bring people into the US that we know can not meet the asylum criteria. A border agent gives them a preliminary interview to determine if it is likely that creditable fear exist and the person may have qualifying reasons for applying. If they pass this interview, they are brought into the country and held for an asylum interview and background check. If they pass, a court date is set.
they haven't closed the border. link!!!Closed means not open for business.
It means they arent processing anyone, dope.
See above. You clearly need to read things multiple times for the English to sink in.
Yes, closed doesn't mean closed it really means we're actually open but you have to ask one of the officers there to keep you out.
Yes, words don't really mean words. They mean whatever the fuck you want to interpret them as, no matter how many damned times your ignorant ass has it explained to you.
I can only assume that's an actual picture of you sitting at your computer, deluding yourself that you're thinking and making cogent points.
If they wanted to accept asylum applications, they wouldn't have closed the border........Dope.
when was it closed?they haven't closed the border. link!!!See above. You clearly need to read things multiple times for the English to sink in.
Yes, closed doesn't mean closed it really means we're actually open but you have to ask one of the officers there to keep you out.
Yes, words don't really mean words. They mean whatever the fuck you want to interpret them as, no matter how many damned times your ignorant ass has it explained to you.
I can only assume that's an actual picture of you sitting at your computer, deluding yourself that you're thinking and making cogent points.
If they wanted to accept asylum applications, they wouldn't have closed the border........Dope.
Read the conversation or stay the fuck out of it, dope. I'm referencing when it was closed.
when was it closed?they haven't closed the border. link!!!Yes, closed doesn't mean closed it really means we're actually open but you have to ask one of the officers there to keep you out.
Yes, words don't really mean words. They mean whatever the fuck you want to interpret them as, no matter how many damned times your ignorant ass has it explained to you.
I can only assume that's an actual picture of you sitting at your computer, deluding yourself that you're thinking and making cogent points.
If they wanted to accept asylum applications, they wouldn't have closed the border........Dope.
Read the conversation or stay the fuck out of it, dope. I'm referencing when it was closed.
If Mexico's intent is to deport them back to their home country if Trump makes them wait in Mexico, it seems to me that Trump would be circumventing the law by forcing them to wait in Mexico, assuming they have creditable fear of returning home.So, you can then state the law that says if Mexico does not allow them to stay there, that we must let them in? Mexico offered this to the US and the UN as a solution to the problem. The fact that they now wish to do otherwise is not incumbent upon us to change the course of action.Trump's new plan is to have asylum seekers wait in Mexico if they can not establish creditable fear of doing so. A Mexican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that current Mexican immigration law does not allow those seeking asylum in another country to stay in Mexico.Very few immigrants win their asylum claims and are denied entry into the nation...but we used to let them in to wait for a hearing they never show up for....Trump has ended that nonsense...now they must wait outside of the US...
Therefore, having them wait in Mexico would be tantamount to sending them back to the country they are trying to escape. I think Trump is going to end up in court again. It's not quite as easy for Trump as president to skirt around the law as it was when he was president of the Trump Organization.
The whole point of our immigration policy is to allow IN only those who have met our standards of immigration. The fact remains, it is wrong and an illicit use of power to want to bring in people whom you know cannot pass asylum criteria in the hopes that they'll be released into our society awaiting a backlogged judiciary.
They can wait OUTSIDE our borders for their claims to be adjudicated.
We do not bring people into the US that we know can not meet the asylum criteria. A border agent gives them a preliminary interview to determine if it is likely that creditable fear exist and the person may have qualifying reasons for applying. If they pass this interview, they are brought into the country and held for an asylum interview and background check. If they pass, a court date is set.
Trump's new plan is to have asylum seekers wait in Mexico if they can not establish creditable fear of doing so. A Mexican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that current Mexican immigration law does not allow those seeking asylum in another country to stay in Mexico.Very few immigrants win their asylum claims and are denied entry into the nation...but we used to let them in to wait for a hearing they never show up for....Trump has ended that nonsense...now they must wait outside of the US...
Therefore, having them wait in Mexico would be tantamount to sending them back to the country they are trying to escape. I think Trump is going to end up in court again. It's not quite as easy for Trump as president to skirt around the law as it was when he was president of the Trump Organization.
43 percent of companies in the 2017 Fortune 500 were founded or co-founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant. Today 46% of the Inc. 5000 fastest growing small businesses were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.People that legally immigrate to the US wait months and even years to do so. They pay thousands of dollars travel and relocation cost. They give up their jobs, their friends, their home, and their way of life to come here. America benefits by legal immigration just as immigrant do. It is not generosity. History shows us that it is mutually beneficial.The Unites States of America allows a million foreigners to become citizens of this country every year. No other industrialized or modernized country in the world comes close to our generosity.What's the big deal about just getting a work visa and then applying for citizenship?
We have normal ways to immigrate.
So don't let these leftists tell you we are being greedy, inconsiderate, or uncaring of other people in the world outside our country unless they can show you one other country that comes close to ours when it comes to immigration.
No, it's not mutually beneficial. If it were, then we would be asking them to come here.
The truth of the matter is that the US is the greatest country in the world. So it stands to reason that most everybody would want to come here. That's why it's so hard to get in. But as a country of 325 million people, letting everybody in, or even a good percentage in is not in our best interests. We have way more than enough people here to do what we need to do.
There are good jobs and bad jobs in the US. The bad jobs are easy to get. In fact, they are begging people to come work for them. The good jobs? You're not going to get in that easy. You may be on a list for years. You may need to take tests or acquire skills or education. You may not get in at all.
That's the way it works for good countries and bad countries.
Government permission to enter Mexico amounts to showing id and getting a stamped entry card. They don't control their southern border and never have. Locals often cross the border at unmanned or unmarked locations. If stopped by border patrol and they're not carrying contraband, nothing happens. The border with Guatemala is over 700 miles long. There're 350 crossing but most are unmanned. There is fencing near heavily populated areas but most of the border is not fenced and some places it's not even marked.My reply was to a previous post. How the migrants got to the border is irrelevant as far as asylum laws are concerned but is relevant in regard to their determination to present their petition for asylum. Nobody spends two months walking 1700 miles without good reason. They are well aware that they are not likely to be accepted but it's likely their best option.Telling 4,000 people that walked 2,000 miles to get to the border that they have go back home and get more identification should be good for another riot at the border which would certainly please Trump immensely.
BTW, Mexico requires ids at both their southern and northern border.
Sorry, but I fail to see how their hike - which we didn't ask them to make and, in fact, have repeatedly told them NOT to make - engenders any sort of obligation on our part. Is there some heretofore secret section of the Immigration and Naturalization Code that says, "But if you make pointless effort and then have a riot, you get to bypass the normal requirements"?
BTW, no one gives a shit what Mexico does and doesn't require for their borders. Last time I checked, Mexico isn't part of the US government, and has no authority in regards to our immigration laws.
Actually, a lot of people do care what Mexico does on their southern border. They are demanding that Mexico tighten security and in effect stop the caravans which is ridiculous. Mexico has relativity open borders and they're under no obligation to change their policy just because of US immigration laws.
Mexico allows them to use their country as a boardwalk to the United States. Of course they bear some responsibility. If we had people running guns to the drug lords in Mexico and our government welcomed it with open arms, wouldn't you think Mexico would have a legitimate complaint against us?
Allies and trading partners should look out for each other. We look out for Mexico by sending over 320 million taxpayer dollars a year, the least they can do for that money is try to keep these people away from our border.
Why does Mexico bear any responsibility for letting the caravans come to the US? It is our asylum laws that attract them, not theirs. For the most part, the people in the caravans are not violating any Mexican law by crossing their border.
Furthermore, Mexico benefits from having relatively open borders. It increases commerce and the mobility of it's people. For Mexico to do what the US wants, they would have to change their laws and dedicate a lot of money to border control, something the Mexican people don't support. And they should do this because they should lookout for US who branded them as rapists, murders, and animal. I don't think so.
Mexico already has border patrol at their southern ends. Yes, it is illegal go be in Mexico as it is in the US unless you have the governments permission.
The two sides can not address each problem separately because it leaves less room to compromise. If you have only one issue in a bill, then the compromises have to made on that bill. The result is usually poor ineffective legislation. In comprehensive legislation, there is more room for compromising and still gettting workable legislation.The courts would have to engage in partisan hackery to make what Mexico does with their squatters part of our problem.It is just a ruse to circumvent the asylum law. Mexico will not allow them to stay in Mexico while they are are seeking asylum elsewhere. I think the courts will see through it.So, you can then state the law that says if Mexico does not allow them to stay there, that we must let them in? Mexico offered this to the US and the UN as a solution to the problem. The fact that they now wish to do otherwise is not incumbent upon us to change the course of action.Trump's new plan is to have asylum seekers wait in Mexico if they can not establish creditable fear of doing so. A Mexican official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that current Mexican immigration law does not allow those seeking asylum in another country to stay in Mexico.Very few immigrants win their asylum claims and are denied entry into the nation...but we used to let them in to wait for a hearing they never show up for....Trump has ended that nonsense...now they must wait outside of the US...
Therefore, having them wait in Mexico would be tantamount to sending them back to the country they are trying to escape. I think Trump is going to end up in court again. It's not quite as easy for Trump as president to skirt around the law as it was when he was president of the Trump Organization.
The whole point of our immigration policy is to allow IN only those who have met our standards of immigration. The fact remains, it is wrong and an illicit use of power to want to bring in people whom you know cannot pass asylum criteria in the hopes that they'll be released into our society awaiting a backlogged judiciary.
They can wait OUTSIDE our borders for their claims to be adjudicated.
Of course, if the Democrats AND Republicans got together and started addressing each of these issues -- by subject issue only and not comprehensively -- then the problem would be resolved. But Congress speaks about immigration reform as a ruse to circumvent they're having to acknowledge that they want these people for votes (Democrats) and for cheap labor (Democrats AND Republicans).
I have no problem with these people being held where they are while they await their applications to be processed. This way, they don't just 'disappear' in our society.
43 percent of companies in the 2017 Fortune 500 were founded or co-founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant. Today 46% of the Inc. 5000 fastest growing small businesses were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.People that legally immigrate to the US wait months and even years to do so. They pay thousands of dollars travel and relocation cost. They give up their jobs, their friends, their home, and their way of life to come here. America benefits by legal immigration just as immigrant do. It is not generosity. History shows us that it is mutually beneficial.The Unites States of America allows a million foreigners to become citizens of this country every year. No other industrialized or modernized country in the world comes close to our generosity.What's the big deal about just getting a work visa and then applying for citizenship?
We have normal ways to immigrate.
So don't let these leftists tell you we are being greedy, inconsiderate, or uncaring of other people in the world outside our country unless they can show you one other country that comes close to ours when it comes to immigration.
No, it's not mutually beneficial. If it were, then we would be asking them to come here.
The truth of the matter is that the US is the greatest country in the world. So it stands to reason that most everybody would want to come here. That's why it's so hard to get in. But as a country of 325 million people, letting everybody in, or even a good percentage in is not in our best interests. We have way more than enough people here to do what we need to do.
There are good jobs and bad jobs in the US. The bad jobs are easy to get. In fact, they are begging people to come work for them. The good jobs? You're not going to get in that easy. You may be on a list for years. You may need to take tests or acquire skills or education. You may not get in at all.
That's the way it works for good countries and bad countries.
Like so many developed nations we are growing older. Birth rates are lower and falling. Retirement is pulling millions out the workforce We need people, not just entrepreneurs but people to pick fruit, build houses, and work in factories. The US Commerce Department projects a labor shortage that will grow from the current 6 million today to over 24 million in just 6 years.
Immigration is vital to our future economic growth. However, the US has the 5th most restrictive immigration policies in the world. With the current target of 1 million legal immigrants a year, we are adding only .3% to our population which is not near enough to meet our needs.
43 percent of companies in the 2017 Fortune 500 were founded or co-founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant. Today 46% of the Inc. 5000 fastest growing small businesses were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.People that legally immigrate to the US wait months and even years to do so. They pay thousands of dollars travel and relocation cost. They give up their jobs, their friends, their home, and their way of life to come here. America benefits by legal immigration just as immigrant do. It is not generosity. History shows us that it is mutually beneficial.The Unites States of America allows a million foreigners to become citizens of this country every year. No other industrialized or modernized country in the world comes close to our generosity.What's the big deal about just getting a work visa and then applying for citizenship?
We have normal ways to immigrate.
So don't let these leftists tell you we are being greedy, inconsiderate, or uncaring of other people in the world outside our country unless they can show you one other country that comes close to ours when it comes to immigration.
No, it's not mutually beneficial. If it were, then we would be asking them to come here.
The truth of the matter is that the US is the greatest country in the world. So it stands to reason that most everybody would want to come here. That's why it's so hard to get in. But as a country of 325 million people, letting everybody in, or even a good percentage in is not in our best interests. We have way more than enough people here to do what we need to do.
There are good jobs and bad jobs in the US. The bad jobs are easy to get. In fact, they are begging people to come work for them. The good jobs? You're not going to get in that easy. You may be on a list for years. You may need to take tests or acquire skills or education. You may not get in at all.
That's the way it works for good countries and bad countries.
Like so many developed nations we are growing older. Birth rates are lower and falling. Retirement is pulling millions out the workforce We need people, not just entrepreneurs but people to pick fruit, build houses, and work in factories. The US Commerce Department projects a labor shortage that will grow from the current 6 million today to over 24 million in just 6 years.
Immigration is vital to our future economic growth. However, the US has the 5th most restrictive immigration policies in the world. With the current target of 1 million legal immigrants a year, we are adding only .3% to our population which is not near enough to meet our needs.
Bull. The less people in this country, the better. How did we survive when we had 25 million less people, 50 million less people, 100 million less people? We did just fine. In fact in some ways, better.
You people on the left use any excuse possible to usher these foreigners into this country because you were using different excuses when we were in the recession.
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