To Save the Schools, We Must Change the Social Contract

[SassyIrishLass]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

 

[SweetSue92]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

It's distractions and disrupts class. Not fair to the other kids

 

[SweetSue92]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

It's distractions and disrupts class. Not fair to the other kids

It goes well beyond distractions. In my area we call it "evacuation"--that means the entire class has to leave the classroom when a kid meltsdown. Other districts have other names of this. So not only is the class distracted, the class is either walking the hallways or sitting in an empty classroom, learning NOTHING. Doing NOTHING.

In some classrooms this happens multiple times a week, sometimes DAILY.

And the yahoos here think, yeah, we just can't handle the kids. Yep, that must be it.

(The following is just ONE example. This is happening all over the nation.)

Parents frustrated that their children have been evacuated from a kindergarten classroom at a Brighton elementary school 28 times in the first three months of the school year sought help this week from school officials.

Courtney Lusk, a mother of twin daughters in the Hilton Elementary School kindergarten class, told the Board of Education one child has caused all the disruptions, and recited a litany of dates throughout October and November where the child threw shoes, books, crayons, chairs and a toy box.

“Our children are literal sitting ducks in this classroom,” she said. “Our children have a right to a safe education, they should be learning to read and write and do math, instead of being taught to evacuate, run to their lockers and show kindness to a student who traumatizes them on a regular basis."

'Enough': 28 evacuations in 3 months, parents of Brighton kindergartners plead for help

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

It's distractions and disrupts class. Not fair to the other kids

It goes well beyond distractions. In my area we call it "evacuation"--that means the entire class has to leave the classroom when a kid meltsdown. Other districts have other names of this. So not only is the class distracted, the class is either walking the hallways or sitting in an empty classroom, learning NOTHING. Doing NOTHING.

In some classrooms this happens multiple times a week, sometimes DAILY.

And the yahoos here think, yeah, we just can't handle the kids. Yep, that must be it.

(The following is just ONE example. This is happening all over the nation.)

Parents frustrated that their children have been evacuated from a kindergarten classroom at a Brighton elementary school 28 times in the first three months of the school year sought help this week from school officials.

Courtney Lusk, a mother of twin daughters in the Hilton Elementary School kindergarten class, told the Board of Education one child has caused all the disruptions, and recited a litany of dates throughout October and November where the child threw shoes, books, crayons, chairs and a toy box.

“Our children are literal sitting ducks in this classroom,” she said. “Our children have a right to a safe education, they should be learning to read and write and do math, instead of being taught to evacuate, run to their lockers and show kindness to a student who traumatizes them on a regular basis."

'Enough': 28 evacuations in 3 months, parents of Brighton kindergartners plead for help

When you have one child causing so much grief it needs to be addressed. If it can't be controlled then expel the little monster.

Absolutely no reason for that

 

[SweetSue92]

And what is your experience in the schools?

I'm a parent & taxpayer

I.E.> 'customer'

That trumps anything

thx

~S~

In the case of the article I just linked: what if your kindergarten child is in this class and has been evacuated 28 times in three months due to another child's behavior?

Got any answer for that, sparky? Tell me about the rights and responsibilities of the parent of that child

Tell me about your rights as a parent of your child in that class

Tell me about the rights and responsibilities of the teacher

Go

 

[SweetSue92]

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

It's distractions and disrupts class. Not fair to the other kids

It goes well beyond distractions. In my area we call it "evacuation"--that means the entire class has to leave the classroom when a kid meltsdown. Other districts have other names of this. So not only is the class distracted, the class is either walking the hallways or sitting in an empty classroom, learning NOTHING. Doing NOTHING.

In some classrooms this happens multiple times a week, sometimes DAILY.

And the yahoos here think, yeah, we just can't handle the kids. Yep, that must be it.

(The following is just ONE example. This is happening all over the nation.)

Parents frustrated that their children have been evacuated from a kindergarten classroom at a Brighton elementary school 28 times in the first three months of the school year sought help this week from school officials.

Courtney Lusk, a mother of twin daughters in the Hilton Elementary School kindergarten class, told the Board of Education one child has caused all the disruptions, and recited a litany of dates throughout October and November where the child threw shoes, books, crayons, chairs and a toy box.

“Our children are literal sitting ducks in this classroom,” she said. “Our children have a right to a safe education, they should be learning to read and write and do math, instead of being taught to evacuate, run to their lockers and show kindness to a student who traumatizes them on a regular basis."

'Enough': 28 evacuations in 3 months, parents of Brighton kindergartners plead for help

When you have one child causing so much grief it needs to be addressed. If it can't be controlled then expel the little monster.

Absolutely no reason for that

This is precisely what I mean by the Social Contract.

IMO we give entirely too much power to those who cause the absolute most disruption. It has been this way for years. Some on this site say I don't like teaching my Special Needs children. That's not it. But when the needs of a very few make learning impossible and even dangerous for the many--you know things are out of control.

Really....it's an outgrowth of the Victim Mentality. The children causing the disruptions they have Something Wrong With Them, see. They're Victims. So we must cater and kowtow and understand rather than correct.

And....here we are.

ETA: Many think the children causing disruption have something wrong with them even if they do not. IOW even if there is no diagnosis. They must be a Victim somehow. So again, coddling.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

It's distractions and disrupts class. Not fair to the other kids

It goes well beyond distractions. In my area we call it "evacuation"--that means the entire class has to leave the classroom when a kid meltsdown. Other districts have other names of this. So not only is the class distracted, the class is either walking the hallways or sitting in an empty classroom, learning NOTHING. Doing NOTHING.

In some classrooms this happens multiple times a week, sometimes DAILY.

And the yahoos here think, yeah, we just can't handle the kids. Yep, that must be it.

(The following is just ONE example. This is happening all over the nation.)

Parents frustrated that their children have been evacuated from a kindergarten classroom at a Brighton elementary school 28 times in the first three months of the school year sought help this week from school officials.

Courtney Lusk, a mother of twin daughters in the Hilton Elementary School kindergarten class, told the Board of Education one child has caused all the disruptions, and recited a litany of dates throughout October and November where the child threw shoes, books, crayons, chairs and a toy box.

“Our children are literal sitting ducks in this classroom,” she said. “Our children have a right to a safe education, they should be learning to read and write and do math, instead of being taught to evacuate, run to their lockers and show kindness to a student who traumatizes them on a regular basis."

'Enough': 28 evacuations in 3 months, parents of Brighton kindergartners plead for help

When you have one child causing so much grief it needs to be addressed. If it can't be controlled then expel the little monster.

Absolutely no reason for that

This is precisely what I mean by the Social Contract.

IMO we give entirely too much power to those who cause the absolute most disruption. It has been this way for years. Some on this site say I don't like teaching my Special Needs children. That's not it. But when the needs of a very few make learning impossible and even dangerous for the many--you know things are out of control.

Really....it's an outgrowth of the Victim Mentality. The children causing the disruptions they have Something Wrong With Them, see. They're Victims. So we must cater and kowtow and understand rather than correct.

And....here we are.

ETA: Many think the children causing disruption have something wrong with them even if they do not. IOW even if there is no diagnosis. They must be a Victim somehow. So again, coddling.

When you don't discipline and the other children are being forced to move from the classroom you're enabling.

This would never happen at our children's schools. Bank that one, the situation would be addressed

 

[progressive hunter]

The people who work there are also taxpayers. My state tells me that when children turn over tables or hit, throw things, bite or etc, I cannot restrain them. I must stand there and take it.

Let's just start there. Please name me another profession where this is the case.

sounds like you can't control little kids... maybe you should consider doing something else for a living.

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

But remember: one enlightened poster in this thread said it's not our JOB to parent, so just let the kidlets turn the tables over and go right on teaching.

Honestly, some of the stuff I read here kills brain cells it's so stupid. Like it needs a warning label: WARNING CONTENT DANGEROUS TO YOUR BRAIN....IF YOU HAVE ONE

its not your job to parent,,,but its your class and if a kid gets out of line itys your job to get them back in line,,and if that takes an ass whoopin then do it,,,

as a parent you have my permission

if you are not allowed to whoop their ass then kick them out and let the parents deal with them

 

[bodecea]

...

they are more focused on indoctrination instead of teaching the 3 R's


...,,,

When was the last time you set foot in a school?

not sure what thats got to do with the subject,,,

A lot, actually. For you to not acknowledge that tells us quite a bit.

 

[bodecea]

Teachers have tried desperately to adapt to the changing needs of our students--and we're failing...and leaving the profession.

To save the schools, we have to revisit, and perhaps even change, the social contract. Specifically, we need to be clear about individual rights and collective rights.

The Kindergarten teacher in the article below, who left her job, mentions the kids who turn over tables because they've never been told "no". The day this happens and your child is injured, YOU must take action. Go to the teacher, then principal, superintendent and school board--and take other parents with you. That way, you apply pressure on the slacker parents and school personnel to do their job or get out of the way, because the most fundamental principle of the collective has been breached: students must be safe in school.

We can take our schools back. We can decide certain behaviors can be understood, but not tolerated.

(If you do not want to click and read her entire article, which I recommend, read her first and fourth reason for leaving, which I have copied below.)

1. The old excuse "the kids have changed". No. No friggin way. Kids are kids. PARENTING has changed. SOCIETY has changed. The kids are just the innocent victims of that. Parents are working crazy hours, consumed by their devices, leaving kids in unstable parenting/coparenting situations, terrible media influences... and we are going to give the excuse that the KIDS have changed? What did we expect them to do? Kids behave in undesirable ways in the environment they feel safest. They test the water in the environment that they know their mistakes and behaviors will be treated with kindness and compassion. For those "well behaved" kids--they're throwing normal kid tantrums at home because it's safe. The kids flipping tables at school? They don't have a safe place at home. Our classrooms are the first place they've ever heard 'no', been given boundaries, shown love through respect. Cue "the kids have changed" .
.
4. Instead of holding parents accountable... and making them true partners, we've adopted a customer service mindset. I've seen the Facebook rants about attendance and getting "the letter". Well, here's the thing... I can't teach your child if he's not in school ‍. I was cussed out by parents who wanted to attend field trips but missed the THREE notes that went home--and when they did attend a trip, sat on their phone the entire time. I've had parents stand me up multiple times on Conference Days then call to tattle on me when I refused to offer an after school option. I've had parents tell me that I'm not allowed to tell their child 'no'...

Ex-Kindergarten teacher’s post about why she quit teaching goes viral for how real it is.

that is complete and utter bullshit,,,

children havent changed,,,its the socialist teachers that have changed,,,

they are more focused on indoctrination instead of teaching the 3 R's


what needs to happen is end the teachers union and get back to students first and teachers last,,,

And what is your experience in the schools?

other than being a victim of its socialist agenda???


and besides its not about me its about the failure of schools since the change to indoctrination instead of teaching,,,its easy to see,

Give us an example of this "indoctrination" that you claim dominates teaching.

we can start with the dragqueens and trannies being allowed to go into schools and push the LBGTQRST agenda as if they were normal,,,they are doing this in kindergarten,,,

Where? Be specific.

 

[bodecea]

A lot of things have changed over the decades. The Progs kowtow to the teachers unions. You commies need to end this with your revolution. Take your pick....AOC or Pelosi and the swamp way.

What do they do where there are no teacher's unions?

is there such a place in this country outside the private schools???

Many states...the states with the lowest test scores, btw.

 

[progressive hunter]

A lot of things have changed over the decades. The Progs kowtow to the teachers unions. You commies need to end this with your revolution. Take your pick....AOC or Pelosi and the swamp way.

What do they do where there are no teacher's unions?

is there such a place in this country outside the private schools???

Many states...the states with the lowest test scores, btw.

link please,,,

 

[bodecea]

Those who cry about teachers should quit their jobs and go in the classroom in troubled schools and teach. Show the country how it's done. In sure the kids will just now down to them waiting to be taught. In my 5 kids 12 years of public education I can't find one shred of so called empty talking point baseless indoctrination.

Thank you!

People read of some drag queens coming into to some Berkeley CA kindergarten or some teacher in Maryland made a third grader write a report on Michelle Obama and voila...."all teachers indoctrinate".

True things:

1. The NEA IS a liberal organization, but that does not mean all of its members vote liberal

2. Some teachers DO "indoctrinate" but they are FAR from the majority, and yeah, I'm totally comfortable saying that

3. Conservatives are just as easy to manipulate through media as Leftists. And that is sad.

do you teach that dinosaurs lived millions of yrs ago???


and do you teach other aspects of evolution???

There it is! What you really want is your silly religious indoctrination...your christian sharia...taught.

 

[bodecea]

My daughter is a public school teacher. I have asked her to come up with all the ways she indoctrinated her students. She will get a laugh out of it though. She does her job although many robots bastardize her because she has her Summers off, etc. She laughs the comments like that right off because those are made by people who gobble up the empty rhetoric. Sure there are bad teachers, just like every other profession. But there are many many good ones who show up and do a great job despite low thought comments made by those who should be showing the nation how to do the job. A few schools in big cities don't represent the nation as a whole.

You just said ......

The Majority of students don't represent our nation as a whole.

Really? So what nation do all those millions of students in big city public schools represent?

The answer to why big city schools have problems is right in front of everyone's face....the parents. If it were the teachers, they could just shuffle teachers around until the inner city schools were doing wonderfully and the rich suburb schools would have the issues.

 

[progressive hunter]

Those who cry about teachers should quit their jobs and go in the classroom in troubled schools and teach. Show the country how it's done. In sure the kids will just now down to them waiting to be taught. In my 5 kids 12 years of public education I can't find one shred of so called empty talking point baseless indoctrination.

Thank you!

People read of some drag queens coming into to some Berkeley CA kindergarten or some teacher in Maryland made a third grader write a report on Michelle Obama and voila...."all teachers indoctrinate".

True things:

1. The NEA IS a liberal organization, but that does not mean all of its members vote liberal

2. Some teachers DO "indoctrinate" but they are FAR from the majority, and yeah, I'm totally comfortable saying that

3. Conservatives are just as easy to manipulate through media as Leftists. And that is sad.

do you teach that dinosaurs lived millions of yrs ago???


and do you teach other aspects of evolution???

There it is! What you really want is your silly religious indoctrination...your christian sharia...taught.

I never said that

 

[bodecea]

Still waiting to find where all this indoctrination is happening. It's like finding Sasquatch. If you want to fix a school go in and show us how those kids will just bow to you for knowledge. Well sit back and watch. Be a part of the solution.

Yeah, see that's another part of the problem. Denial. You won't see what you Do NOT WANT to see.

You know Todd Starnes is one of the biggest liars ever to appear on FOX (and that's saying a lot), right?

 

[bodecea]

Well I don't teach science so.....

thats not what I asked,,,,

I'm REALLY starting to see why the posters who are anti-public education are so anti here. I mean look. Here is a poster who's nailing me on teaching evolution. I just told him I DO NOT TEACH SCIENCE and he's telling me "that's not what I asked". NO, I do not teach evolution. Or creation. OR ANY SCIENCE

Just....wow

He also routinely uses commas for ellipses. Look up ellipses if you don't know what they are.

just goes to show ,,,if all else fails attack the messenger,,,

sorry honey I am a product of public education,,,,

and back on topic, what do you mean by a change in the social contract???

we had one and it got changed when the feds took over the education system which resulted in a down turn of education in this country,,

the old one was about education and the new one is about indoctrination,,,

whats yours gonna be???

Let's do a test and see how well you learn. If you were taught and refuse to learn that's not on your teachers, pal. That's on you.

These are ellipses

...

Three periods in a row. TECHNICALLY you are supposed to type them like this . . . with spaces in between, but only book publishers do this. So, three dots, no spaces is accepted. Like this ...

It means a pause, the thought is continuing, or I'm left hanging.

You use COMMAS for ellipses, and I have seen you do this before. It's very peculiar. Like this.

"about indoctrination,,,"

So rather than talk about science, let's talk about your punctuation. Since we're so far afield anyway.

I moved on from that,,,

whats your plan for changing the social contract???

Your school apparently failed you.

 

[bodecea]

Teachers have tried desperately to adapt to the changing needs of our students--and we're failing...and leaving the profession.

To save the schools, we have to revisit, and perhaps even change, the social contract. Specifically, we need to be clear about individual rights and collective rights.

The Kindergarten teacher in the article below, who left her job, mentions the kids who turn over tables because they've never been told "no". The day this happens and your child is injured, YOU must take action. Go to the teacher, then principal, superintendent and school board--and take other parents with you. That way, you apply pressure on the slacker parents and school personnel to do their job or get out of the way, because the most fundamental principle of the collective has been breached: students must be safe in school.

We can take our schools back. We can decide certain behaviors can be understood, but not tolerated.

(If you do not want to click and read her entire article, which I recommend, read her first and fourth reason for leaving, which I have copied below.)

1. The old excuse "the kids have changed". No. No friggin way. Kids are kids. PARENTING has changed. SOCIETY has changed. The kids are just the innocent victims of that. Parents are working crazy hours, consumed by their devices, leaving kids in unstable parenting/coparenting situations, terrible media influences... and we are going to give the excuse that the KIDS have changed? What did we expect them to do? Kids behave in undesirable ways in the environment they feel safest. They test the water in the environment that they know their mistakes and behaviors will be treated with kindness and compassion. For those "well behaved" kids--they're throwing normal kid tantrums at home because it's safe. The kids flipping tables at school? They don't have a safe place at home. Our classrooms are the first place they've ever heard 'no', been given boundaries, shown love through respect. Cue "the kids have changed" .
.
4. Instead of holding parents accountable... and making them true partners, we've adopted a customer service mindset. I've seen the Facebook rants about attendance and getting "the letter". Well, here's the thing... I can't teach your child if he's not in school ‍. I was cussed out by parents who wanted to attend field trips but missed the THREE notes that went home--and when they did attend a trip, sat on their phone the entire time. I've had parents stand me up multiple times on Conference Days then call to tattle on me when I refused to offer an after school option. I've had parents tell me that I'm not allowed to tell their child 'no'...

Ex-Kindergarten teacher’s post about why she quit teaching goes viral for how real it is.

One possible avenue of exploration is a means by which undisciplined or troubled children are evaluated and weeded out from entering the main k - 12 system.

In many communities, we have head start programs, along with other programs that ostentatiously exist to help the children get a leg up on learning.

In each of these kinds of programs, the behavior of the child should be observed and evaluated and a determination made on allowing the child to enter the k - 12 system.

Clearly, in many cases (I don't know how many and the opinion I have is based on anecdotal evidence, but I'm sure we all have stories) we see children who are running wild over their parents or the parents simply don't care. Some of that is due to PC, I"m sure. The whole notion that corporal punishment is forbidden because it is somehow wrong. Punishment often is a 'good talking too', or perhaps a timeout in the corner that is supposed to last for 20 minutes, but in reality, lasts 3 because the parent can't be bothered to listen to the crying or is too engrossed in their phone conversations.

We see them acting up in stores, parking lots, and in later years, running in gangs or vandalizing other people's property.

All because they were never taught any respect or self-control

When a child is acting up in school, I place the blame on that fully on the parent. When the child graduates high school unable to read and do rudimentary mathematics, or cannot even understand the basic structure of our society and our government, I blame that on teachers.

So, we need a way to sort the wheat from the chaff so that the wheat can become viable members of society.

First, thank you for your response!

While you are largely on the right track, there are a couple of misconceptions here. Sadly there is no "weeding out" system in the K-12 public schools.

In the very most extreme cases---and I mean VERY extreme--students go to special schools that you might call "off site" if they have severe disabilities or their behavior is exceedingly extreme--basically juvenile detention extreme. Otherwise, they come to us. I think many years ago it was expected that children attain a certain level of "readiness": that they be able to skip, know some letters or some-such. But with the advent of disability laws, pretty much all that is out the window. If they live in district and meet the age cut off, they come to us. Period. (Even in diapers, a thread I started a couple of weeks ago. Yes. In diapers.)

Another misconception is that kids are even getting the "talking to" or the "time out". Sadly, many are not even getting THAT. As the Kinder teacher says in her post, some parents have forbidden her from telling their child "no". Some parents these days feel that publicly correcting their child is "humiliating" to the child. So believe me, if we had children who were being talked to or given time outs, we would be in much better shape. But we're not. In many cases there's no correction AT ALL.

This is what I mean about the Social Contract. We need to get back to the place as schools where we tell parents, "We WILL discipline your child if he/she needs it. The discipline will be intended to teach, not to harm. If you're not okay with that, please consider homeschooling."

I do not say this out of a place of unkindness, but in a place of desperation--so that our schools can operate as schools again. If not--I think we're done. It's all over but the inevitable "shouting".

I can't stay as I am about to run out the door, but I wanted to give a quick reply.

My first response was directed at your concept of 'changing the social contract'.

IF we started using these head start programs to weed out these children -- meaning that they would not be permitted into the K - 12 system -- that would be changing the contract, would it not? Additionally to that, there should be imposed a set standard minimum behavior of a child before entering into the system.

I'm not exactly sure the extent of your concept of 'will discipline'. I am fine with punishment by the schools, but exclude physical punishments as a remedy. Frankly, I don't think anyone but a parent should have that right. However, other forms of punishment, i.e., a weekly suspension, required after school detention, things of this nature, would be very useful. I also agree that the parents either accept that, or they can't have their children in the system.

Head Start is getting cut.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats not what I asked,,,,

I'm REALLY starting to see why the posters who are anti-public education are so anti here. I mean look. Here is a poster who's nailing me on teaching evolution. I just told him I DO NOT TEACH SCIENCE and he's telling me "that's not what I asked". NO, I do not teach evolution. Or creation. OR ANY SCIENCE

Just....wow

He also routinely uses commas for ellipses. Look up ellipses if you don't know what they are.

just goes to show ,,,if all else fails attack the messenger,,,

sorry honey I am a product of public education,,,,

and back on topic, what do you mean by a change in the social contract???

we had one and it got changed when the feds took over the education system which resulted in a down turn of education in this country,,

the old one was about education and the new one is about indoctrination,,,

whats yours gonna be???

Let's do a test and see how well you learn. If you were taught and refuse to learn that's not on your teachers, pal. That's on you.

These are ellipses

...

Three periods in a row. TECHNICALLY you are supposed to type them like this . . . with spaces in between, but only book publishers do this. So, three dots, no spaces is accepted. Like this ...

It means a pause, the thought is continuing, or I'm left hanging.

You use COMMAS for ellipses, and I have seen you do this before. It's very peculiar. Like this.

"about indoctrination,,,"

So rather than talk about science, let's talk about your punctuation. Since we're so far afield anyway.

I moved on from that,,,

whats your plan for changing the social contract???

Your school apparently failed you.

in many ways thats correct,,,