trump Backs Down. Again.

[BlindBoo]

The reason we count them is the same reason why any Tom Dick or Harriet can purchase enough weapons and ammunition to create their own memorial massacre. We're too polarized by entrenched interests to change it.

Non citizens cannot buy firearms in the U.S.

Ever heard the phrase "look before you leap"?

And?
They cant legally buy firearms.
I guess Trump was right by your own admission...they are criminals.

Green card holders are permitted to buy and purchase firearms and ammunition. Check your state law requirements.

Green card holders are not here illegally.

But they still have the Constitutional right to purchase enough weapons and ammunition to kill a bunch of people quickly.

I don't think the framers intended it to be the case. They just couldn't imagine the type of weaponry we have now.

After the Civil War. when they include all persons to be counted, they meant to cover the freed slaves who were not citizens. They couldn't imagine the immigration situation we would be facing in the future.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Non citizens cannot buy firearms in the U.S.

Ever heard the phrase "look before you leap"?

And?
They cant legally buy firearms.
I guess Trump was right by your own admission...they are criminals.

Green card holders are permitted to buy and purchase firearms and ammunition. Check your state law requirements.

Obviously I was referring to illegals.

Yeah? I can see how some people would irrationally conflate the two. I mean they weren't trying to put a "Are you an Illegal Alien" question on the Census were they? But some people might see it that way.

Are you a legal citizen or not?

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, you mean the "camps" that are filled to overflowing with illegal immigrants that were caravanned here from Central America by you liberals? You two faced cretins could care LESS about them other than using them to keep political power! You're the ones who created this mess in the first place...now you want US to feel bad about it?

Um, yeah, here's the thing. What we were doing before worked just fine. Take their info, give them a court date and let the system take it's course.

Trump decided that' "Hey, let's put them into concentration camps!"

Or to put it a way even a simpleton like can understand.

Jaywalking is bad.
Cops shooting jaywalkers is an overreaction.

 

[JimH52]

Trump won today...he dropped the mic and walked off the stage leaving the municipalities that are suing the administration in turmoil....they must go forward with the legal action they started costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars....for nothing...Trump went around them making their legal actions mute.....brilliant move by Trump and Barr.....this will make the hate Trump crowd think twice before they drag the white house into court.....

They do not need to go forward, they can stop tonight.

Trump got his ass handed to him and then made up some bullshit about data and you sheep took that bullshit and made a sandwich out of it and asked for another.

Deportations start Sunday. That'll work for now.

How smart is it to announce that the deportations will start on Sunday and where they will happen?

Do you really think that anyone who is undocumented in those cities is going to be at home or available for the government to pick them up?

trump gave them warning so anyone who is undocumented now knows where and when it's going to happen.

Not very smart of trump. Or is he giving them warning just so they can avoid being picked up?

Is it safe to say trump HAS A BUG MOUTH!

Maybe it is a good thing he doesn't read Intel Reports. He would tell the world all our secrets..

 

[B. Kidd]

Trump won today...he dropped the mic and walked off the stage leaving the municipalities that are suing the administration in turmoil....they must go forward with the legal action they started costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars....for nothing...Trump went around them making their legal actions mute.....brilliant move by Trump and Barr.....this will make the hate Trump crowd think twice before they drag the white house into court.....

They do not need to go forward, they can stop tonight.

Trump got his ass handed to him and then made up some bullshit about data and you sheep took that bullshit and made a sandwich out of it and asked for another.

Deportations start Sunday. That'll work for now.

How smart is it to announce that the deportations will start on Sunday and where they will happen?

Do you really think that anyone who is undocumented in those cities is going to be at home or available for the government to pick them up?

trump gave them warning so anyone who is undocumented now knows where and when it's going to happen.

Not very smart of trump. Or is he giving them warning just so they can avoid being picked up?

Is it safe to say trump HAS A BUG MOUTH!

Maybe it is a good thing he doesn't read Intel Reports. He would tell the world all our secrets..

Illegals are cowering as you post.
And, that's a good thang!

 

[B. Kidd]

Also, anti-American Democrats are showing their true colors; and that"s a good thang, too!

 

[Oldstyle]

Oh, you mean the "camps" that are filled to overflowing with illegal immigrants that were caravanned here from Central America by you liberals? You two faced cretins could care LESS about them other than using them to keep political power! You're the ones who created this mess in the first place...now you want US to feel bad about it?

Um, yeah, here's the thing. What we were doing before worked just fine. Take their info, give them a court date and let the system take it's course.

Trump decided that' "Hey, let's put them into concentration camps!"

Or to put it a way even a simpleton like can understand.

Jaywalking is bad.
Cops shooting jaywalkers is an overreaction.

Do you have any idea what the percentage of recent illegals is that seek asylum and are given court dates...actually showing up for court, Joey? It's around 10%. Let the system take it's course? More like let these people make a mockery of our system!

 

[JoeB131]

Do you have any idea what the percentage of recent illegals is that seek asylum and are given court dates...actually showing up for court, Joey? It's around 10%. Let the system take it's course? More like let these people make a mockery of our system!

Not true at all- In fact.

FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017
According to DOJ statistics, between 2013 and 2017, 92 percent of asylum seekers appeared in court to receive a final decision on their claims. In FY 2018, 89.4 percent of those who applied for asylum complied with their court hearing obligations. Out of 66,592 final asylum decisions, 7,072 denials were the result of the asylum seeker failing to appear in court.

Asylum seekers released from detention to pursue their claims attend immigration court hearings nearly 100 percent of the time
Government figures made available through the Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) asylum decision tracking tool show near 100 percent appearance rates for asylum seekers released from immigration detention. Out of 10,427 decisions in fiscal year 2018 for released asylum seekers, only 160 received removal orders because they missed a court hearing—resulting in a 98.5 percent court hearing compliance rate.

98 percent of mothers with children who were represented by legal counsel complied with court hearing obligations
As of May 2018, when data analyzed by TRAC was most recently updated, mothers who had passed a credible fear interview and were represented by counsel attended their immigration court hearings over 97.5 percent of the time for cases initiated between 2014 and April 2017. TRAC’s data shows that 36 percent of families went unrepresented in immigration court. While overall apprehensions along the southern border are the lowest in decades, families continue to make up a significant proportion of those crossing the border and seeking admission at ports of entry to request asylum.

 

[Oldstyle]

Do you have any idea what the percentage of recent illegals is that seek asylum and are given court dates...actually showing up for court, Joey? It's around 10%. Let the system take it's course? More like let these people make a mockery of our system!

Not true at all- In fact.

FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017
According to DOJ statistics, between 2013 and 2017, 92 percent of asylum seekers appeared in court to receive a final decision on their claims. In FY 2018, 89.4 percent of those who applied for asylum complied with their court hearing obligations. Out of 66,592 final asylum decisions, 7,072 denials were the result of the asylum seeker failing to appear in court.

Asylum seekers released from detention to pursue their claims attend immigration court hearings nearly 100 percent of the time
Government figures made available through the Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) asylum decision tracking tool show near 100 percent appearance rates for asylum seekers released from immigration detention. Out of 10,427 decisions in fiscal year 2018 for released asylum seekers, only 160 received removal orders because they missed a court hearing—resulting in a 98.5 percent court hearing compliance rate.

98 percent of mothers with children who were represented by legal counsel complied with court hearing obligations
As of May 2018, when data analyzed by TRAC was most recently updated, mothers who had passed a credible fear interview and were represented by counsel attended their immigration court hearings over 97.5 percent of the time for cases initiated between 2014 and April 2017. TRAC’s data shows that 36 percent of families went unrepresented in immigration court. While overall apprehensions along the southern border are the lowest in decades, families continue to make up a significant proportion of those crossing the border and seeking admission at ports of entry to request asylum.

Look at your stats, Joe! Those were the OLD numbers! I'm talking about RECENT asylum seekers! The "game" has changed over the last two years. Those stats you quote were the OLD asylum seekers! The people coming now...the people flooding our border...they are the ones that once released into our country are not showing up for their court dates at an almost 90% rate! Why? Because asylum isn't being granted to them at even close to what the old rate used to be! Why? Because most of them don't have a case for asylum! They were simply told to ask for it if they were apprehended because it was a "get out of jail free card".

 

[JimH52]

Trump won today...he dropped the mic and walked off the stage leaving the municipalities that are suing the administration in turmoil....they must go forward with the legal action they started costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars....for nothing...Trump went around them making their legal actions mute.....brilliant move by Trump and Barr.....this will make the hate Trump crowd think twice before they drag the white house into court.....

They do not need to go forward, they can stop tonight.

Trump got his ass handed to him and then made up some bullshit about data and you sheep took that bullshit and made a sandwich out of it and asked for another.

Deportations start Sunday. That'll work for now.

How smart is it to announce that the deportations will start on Sunday and where they will happen?

Do you really think that anyone who is undocumented in those cities is going to be at home or available for the government to pick them up?

trump gave them warning so anyone who is undocumented now knows where and when it's going to happen.

Not very smart of trump. Or is he giving them warning just so they can avoid being picked up?

Is it safe to say trump HAS A BUG MOUTH!

Maybe it is a good thing he doesn't read Intel Reports. He would tell the world all our secrets..

Illegals are cowering as you post.
And, that's a good thang!

Yup...cause trump's entire regime is based on fear....intimidation...and b bullying.....That is what Cowards do.

 

[JoeB131]

Look at your stats, Joe! Those were the OLD numbers! I'm talking about RECENT asylum seekers! The "game" has changed over the last two years. Those stats you quote were the OLD asylum seekers!

You mean after Trump started abusing them, they stopped playing by the rules?

point was, before Putin's Cockholster started fucking with the system, it worked.... just fine.

 

[B. Kidd]

They do not need to go forward, they can stop tonight.

Trump got his ass handed to him and then made up some bullshit about data and you sheep took that bullshit and made a sandwich out of it and asked for another.

Deportations start Sunday. That'll work for now.

How smart is it to announce that the deportations will start on Sunday and where they will happen?

Do you really think that anyone who is undocumented in those cities is going to be at home or available for the government to pick them up?

trump gave them warning so anyone who is undocumented now knows where and when it's going to happen.

Not very smart of trump. Or is he giving them warning just so they can avoid being picked up?

Is it safe to say trump HAS A BUG MOUTH!

Maybe it is a good thing he doesn't read Intel Reports. He would tell the world all our secrets..

Illegals are cowering as you post.
And, that's a good thang!

Yup...cause trump's entire regime is based on fear....intimidation...and b bullying.....That is what Cowards do.

Illegals are cowering because...well...they're illegals. They didn't play by the rules.
All Trump is doing is a major clean-up in aisle 5.
Obama did too; to the tune of 1.6 million of 'em.
It's roundup time again, buckaroo!

 

[Oldstyle]

Look at your stats, Joe! Those were the OLD numbers! I'm talking about RECENT asylum seekers! The "game" has changed over the last two years. Those stats you quote were the OLD asylum seekers!

You mean after Trump started abusing them, they stopped playing by the rules?

point was, before Putin's Cockholster started fucking with the system, it worked.... just fine.

Oh, it was Trump's "abuse" that started massive caravans headed for our borders? That's what you're going with, Joey? Our border is being "bum rushed" by people and that was encouraged by you folks on the left! If you had an ounce of honesty in your whole body you'd admit that was in fact the truth! They didn't stop playing by the rules...they started using the rules against us. It's why we need a total overhaul of our immigration system. It's out of control. We have no southern border anymore. It's become a joke and it's become that because you liberals see Hispanics flooding the country as a way to keep power. You could care less if it hurts the US...you could care less if it hurts Americans!

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, it was Trump's "abuse" that started massive caravans headed for our borders? That's what you're going with, Joey? Our border is being "bum rushed" by people and that was encouraged by you folks on the left!

Not really. While there has been a spike due to the instability in Central America, the number of people trying to cross the border is only about a fifth of what it was in 2000.

They didn't stop playing by the rules...they started using the rules against us. It's why we need a total overhaul of our immigration system. It's out of control. We have no southern border anymore. It's become a joke and it's become that because you liberals see Hispanics flooding the country as a way to keep power.

More like, you guys live in terror that you can't frighten enough stupid white people into voting against their own economic interests.

Here's the thing. "My Daughter might date a Mexican" is not a crisis, buddy. It's just not. No matter how much Trump gets bigots like you upset about it, it's JUST NOT A BIG DEAL.

It wasn't a big deal 50 years ago with the Poles.
It wasn't a big deal 100 years ago with the Germans.
it wasn't a big deal 150 years ago with the Irish.

People come here, they assimilate, we all gain from it.

 

[Oldstyle]

Oh, it was Trump's "abuse" that started massive caravans headed for our borders? That's what you're going with, Joey? Our border is being "bum rushed" by people and that was encouraged by you folks on the left!

Not really. While there has been a spike due to the instability in Central America, the number of people trying to cross the border is only about a fifth of what it was in 2000.

They didn't stop playing by the rules...they started using the rules against us. It's why we need a total overhaul of our immigration system. It's out of control. We have no southern border anymore. It's become a joke and it's become that because you liberals see Hispanics flooding the country as a way to keep power.

More like, you guys live in terror that you can't frighten enough stupid white people into voting against their own economic interests.

Here's the thing. "My Daughter might date a Mexican" is not a crisis, buddy. It's just not. No matter how much Trump gets bigots like you upset about it, it's JUST NOT A BIG DEAL.

It wasn't a big deal 50 years ago with the Poles.
It wasn't a big deal 100 years ago with the Germans.
it wasn't a big deal 150 years ago with the Irish.

People come here, they assimilate, we all gain from it.

No big deal? So you're pretty much in favor of an open border...right? Pretty simple question for ya' then, Joey! Since you're a liberal it's a given you believe in lots of free shit for everybody...and you also believe in open borders? How do you PAY for that free shit...when you let everybody in who wants in? I hate to point out the painfully obvious here, Sparky but you've got to decide what it is you want most...you can't have both! So which is it you're going to give up?

 

[JoeB131]

No big deal? So you're pretty much in favor of an open border...right? Pretty simple question for ya' then, Joey! Since you're a liberal it's a given you believe in lots of free shit for everybody...and you also believe in open borders? How do you PAY for that free shit...

Guy, when you want to discuss what I actually believe in, let me know.

I hate to point out the painfully obvious here, Sparky but you've got to decide what it is you want most...you can't have both! So which is it you're going to give up?

Simple. We redistribute the wealth. Make the word "Billionaire" a thing of the past because no one should have that much money.

When the top 3 richest people have more money than the bottom 40% of the country, you know you have a problem.

 

[Oldstyle]

No big deal? So you're pretty much in favor of an open border...right? Pretty simple question for ya' then, Joey! Since you're a liberal it's a given you believe in lots of free shit for everybody...and you also believe in open borders? How do you PAY for that free shit...

Guy, when you want to discuss what I actually believe in, let me know.

I hate to point out the painfully obvious here, Sparky but you've got to decide what it is you want most...you can't have both! So which is it you're going to give up?

Simple. We redistribute the wealth. Make the word "Billionaire" a thing of the past because no one should have that much money.

When the top 3 richest people have more money than the bottom 40% of the country, you know you have a problem.

So you want to implement a Communist style government here in the US? Seize personal assets? Let the government decide who deserves what? Show me where that has EVER worked out better for the people, Joey!

 

[Oldstyle]

You do realize that Billionaires have the where with all to decide where they live...right, Joey? So do you think they're all going to just LET you seize their assets? Or do you think they'll move to another country...taking those assets with them? It's plans like yours, Joey that always make me laugh at progressives!

 

[JoeB131]

So you want to implement a Communist style government here in the US? Seize personal assets? Let the government decide who deserves what? Show me where that has EVER worked out better for the people, Joey!

How about "The United States, 1932-1980"

The rich paid their fair share, the workers all had unions with fair wages. I bet you are too young to remember, but it was kind of awesome.

You do realize that Billionaires have the where with all to decide where they live...right, Joey? So do you think they're all going to just LET you seize their assets? Or do you think they'll move to another country...taking those assets with them? It's plans like yours, Joey that always make me laugh at progressives!

Any other country a billionaire would want to live ALREADY has confiscatory taxes... and socialized medicine... where do you think these billionaires are going to flee to?

 

[Oldstyle]

So you want to implement a Communist style government here in the US? Seize personal assets? Let the government decide who deserves what? Show me where that has EVER worked out better for the people, Joey!

How about "The United States, 1932-1980"

The rich paid their fair share, the workers all had unions with fair wages. I bet you are too young to remember, but it was kind of awesome.

You do realize that Billionaires have the where with all to decide where they live...right, Joey? So do you think they're all going to just LET you seize their assets? Or do you think they'll move to another country...taking those assets with them? It's plans like yours, Joey that always make me laugh at progressives!

Any other country a billionaire would want to live ALREADY has confiscatory taxes... and socialized medicine... where do you think these billionaires are going to flee to?

We were the country left "standing" after a World War that reduced much of the rest of the world to rubble, Joey! That period of intense growth took place because that distinct set of circumstances...not because the tax rates were higher and unions were all powerful!

If I were a billionaire and saw you progressives coming after my assets? I'd establish residency in the Bahamas. They have zero income tax.