Trump blames Obama for doubling the debt

[francoHFW]

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Of course you didn't, neither did I, neither did congressional Democrats, economists or anyone else.

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.


Here is the true part about it - Obama failed to deal with our long term deficit and debt problems, but that is far different from CAUSING them.

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

You were whining about the Bush tax cuts, not me.

You didn't want Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Why not?

Because deficits and stuff and Bush was bad and stuff, right?

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.

So is the nonsense that Obama was powerless with regards to the debt, because Bush.

Poor Obama, smartest President ever, weakest President ever.

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

 

[francoHFW]

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

You were whining about the Bush tax cuts, not me.

You didn't want Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Why not?

Because deficits and stuff and Bush was bad and stuff, right?

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.

So is the nonsense that Obama was powerless with regards to the debt, because Bush.

Poor Obama, smartest President ever, weakest President ever.

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

This isn't a flat tax rate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

 

[francoHFW]

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

As I've showed you many times, that federal income tax is a propaganda Bonanza, but if you count all taxes and fees everyone is paying between 20 and 30%on average, not enough from the rich to keep up services for the middle class and the working class and to keep up our infrastructure, for 35 years now. Dupe. The middle of a meltdown is no time to be messing with taxes in any way... The whole idea is get people's confidence back...

 

[francoHFW]

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

The law who is eligible for unemployment and Welfare were never changed, just the numbers. Up to 800 billion extra were spent on victims in 2010 even now it's about 200 billion a year. How many times do I have to say it, brainwashed functional moron? It had nothing to do with Obama is all about your lying cheating corrupt greedy idiot billionaire GOP, super dupe... Allowed 9/11 to share in confidence, then the stupidest Wars ever, and then a world depression. No one but a brainwash tool would vote for them...

 

[RealDave]

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

 

[RealDave]

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

Wow, Mr Economic Knowitall is too fucking stupid to know that the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

And you were here bragging how much you know about the stock market, derrivatives & the economy. Your post just proved what a lying fuck you are.

 

[RealDave]

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Of course you didn't, neither did I, neither did congressional Democrats, economists or anyone else.

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.


Here is the true part about it - Obama failed to deal with our long term deficit and debt problems, but that is far different from CAUSING them.

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

You were whining about the Bush tax cuts, not me.

You didn't want Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Why not?

Because deficits and stuff and Bush was bad and stuff, right?

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.

So is the nonsense that Obama was powerless with regards to the debt, because Bush.

Poor Obama, smartest President ever, weakest President ever.

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

Yet another example of your lack of knowledge on basic economics. You can't raise taxes during a recession you stupid ignorant asshole POS.

 

[RealDave]

I can't understand this reasoning.

Increasing spending by trillions - little effect

Cutting taxes 8 years early - debt explosion.

Somehow that debt waiting until Obama took over to show up.

Strange

The deficit was already estimated to be over a trillion when Obama took office. You are just another lying POS who can't admit that the Republicans nearly killed this country under Bush & now you assholes are trying again under your hero Trump.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited.

Look, asshole, if there was no benefit to Obama's economy from the lower rates, why didn't Obama raise them?
If there was a benefit, go fuck yourself, those are his rates now.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts

Unfunded tax cuts? That's hilarious!!!
So to pay for Bush's tax cuts, Obama should have cut spending.
Or raised rates.
Poor Obama, so smart, so powerless. Nothing was his fault.

Talk about low expectations.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

Wow, Mr Economic Knowitall is too fucking stupid to know that the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

And you were here bragging how much you know about the stock market, derrivatives & the economy. Your post just proved what a lying fuck you are.

the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

When did the effects end? When did Obama's awesome economic stewardship erase the "Bush recession"?
Once he fixed things, why was his spending still so much higher than Bush's?

 

[RealDave]

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited.

Look, asshole, if there was no benefit to Obama's economy from the lower rates, why didn't Obama raise them?
If there was a benefit, go fuck yourself, those are his rates now.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts

Unfunded tax cuts? That's hilarious!!!
So to pay for Bush's tax cuts, Obama should have cut spending.
Or raised rates.
Poor Obama, so smart, so powerless. Nothing was his fault.

Talk about low expectations.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking moron.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

You know nothing about economics.

 

[RealDave]

It's like talking to a wall.

NOT FIXING is very different from CAUSING.

Are you really too fucking stupid to understand the difference?

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

Wow, Mr Economic Knowitall is too fucking stupid to know that the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

And you were here bragging how much you know about the stock market, derrivatives & the economy. Your post just proved what a lying fuck you are.

the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

When did the effects end? When did Obama's awesome economic stewardship erase the "Bush recession"?
Once he fixed things, why was his spending still so much higher than Bush's?

You said they should have ended in 2009. You have already proven what an ass you are. STFU.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

...you wanted Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

You were whining about the Bush tax cuts, not me.

You didn't want Obama to immediately raise taxes in the middle of Great Recession?

Why not?

Because deficits and stuff and Bush was bad and stuff, right?

Your argument is frivolous nonsense.

So is the nonsense that Obama was powerless with regards to the debt, because Bush.

Poor Obama, smartest President ever, weakest President ever.

You are a pathetic debater because instead of addressing the arguments in good faith you constantly fall back on deflections, falsehoods and outright fabrications.

I was not "whining about Bush tax cuts" - I was stating FACTS ABOUT THEM:

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

You have not disputed even a SINGLE WORD of that, but are instead trying to conflate Obama not FIXING deficits and Obama's policies CAUSING them.


AGAIN:
Yes, Obama failed to deal with long term debt problems
No, he did not cause them.

"If you don't count Bush tax-cut extensions Obama barely added to the debt"

When Obama didn't reverse the Bush cuts, despite huge majorities, they became Obama tax cuts.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

Ok but go ahead and HONESTLY STICK WITH IT and admit that the reason Obama increased debt is due to policies YOU CREDIT HIM FOR.

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

Yet another example of your lack of knowledge on basic economics. You can't raise taxes during a recession you stupid ignorant asshole POS.

You can't raise taxes during a recession

FDR did, multiple times. Asshole.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want to put tax-cutting on Obama?

You're blaming part of Obama's added deficits on the tax rate on Jan 20, 2009.
As though he had no power to change them while he had majorities in both Houses.

He didn't increase tax rates in 2009, right?
Or in 2010, right?

Is that Bush's fault? Did Bush tie his hands somehow?

Whatever chunk of the debt you want to blame on tax cuts became Obama's responsibility when he didn't end them.

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited.

Look, asshole, if there was no benefit to Obama's economy from the lower rates, why didn't Obama raise them?
If there was a benefit, go fuck yourself, those are his rates now.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts

Unfunded tax cuts? That's hilarious!!!
So to pay for Bush's tax cuts, Obama should have cut spending.
Or raised rates.
Poor Obama, so smart, so powerless. Nothing was his fault.

Talk about low expectations.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking moron.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

You know nothing about economics.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Careful, people will accuse you of being a conservative.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

I agree, Bush spent way too much.
Obama made Bush look like a skinflint.

Once Obama kept the same rates, he owned them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I understand that he didn't fix the "problem".

What portion of the blame does he deserve for the "debt caused by the Bush tax cuts 2009-2017"?

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

Wow, Mr Economic Knowitall is too fucking stupid to know that the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

And you were here bragging how much you know about the stock market, derrivatives & the economy. Your post just proved what a lying fuck you are.

the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

When did the effects end? When did Obama's awesome economic stewardship erase the "Bush recession"?
Once he fixed things, why was his spending still so much higher than Bush's?

You said they should have ended in 2009. You have already proven what an ass you are. STFU.

Can't answer? I'm shocked. DERP!

 

[francoHFW]

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown. Duh... Nobody expected Scott Brown... A catastrophe for the country because the Democrats were unable to pass anything from then on... We have to go back to the 50%top rate like when Reagan had all his success or higher when everyone had success before Reagan... A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich disaster for the middle class and the country. Thanks GOP. The only way they can get away with this crap is brainwashing all you fools

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

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This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited.

Look, asshole, if there was no benefit to Obama's economy from the lower rates, why didn't Obama raise them?
If there was a benefit, go fuck yourself, those are his rates now.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts

Unfunded tax cuts? That's hilarious!!!
So to pay for Bush's tax cuts, Obama should have cut spending.
Or raised rates.
Poor Obama, so smart, so powerless. Nothing was his fault.

Talk about low expectations.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking moron.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

You know nothing about economics.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Careful, people will accuse you of being a conservative.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

I agree, Bush spent way too much.
Obama made Bush look like a skinflint.

Once Obama kept the same rates, he owned them.

The Democrats have been blocked from raising the tax rates on the rich for 35 years now, brain-washed functional moron.

 

[francoHFW]

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts and five to six trillion in assistance to victims of the GOP meltdown according to already existing welfare and unemployment law...

And mainly a couple trillion in bailouts

The bank "bailout" was repaid, at a profit to the US Treasury.

and five to six trillion in assistance to victims

The recession ended in June 2009.
Has the level of "assistance spending" returned to Bush levels since
employment normalized? Or did Obama keep shoveling money out the door?

Wow, Mr Economic Knowitall is too fucking stupid to know that the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

And you were here bragging how much you know about the stock market, derrivatives & the economy. Your post just proved what a lying fuck you are.

the effects of a recession continue long after the end of the official recession.

When did the effects end? When did Obama's awesome economic stewardship erase the "Bush recession"?
Once he fixed things, why was his spending still so much higher than Bush's?

You said they should have ended in 2009. You have already proven what an ass you are. STFU.

Can't answer? I'm shocked. DERP!

The effects haven't ended yet stupid. Africa South America and parts of the Middle East are still in Bush depression. Victims of the Meltdown are still receiving 200 billion a year or so in welfare. You are the thickest...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't raise tax rates in the middle of a another corrupt GOP economic meltdown.

Obama's economy benefitted from the lower Bush rates. Thanks for admitting that.

A flat tax rate like we have now effectively is Pander to the rich

View attachment 154362

This isn't a flat tax rate.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited. To say raising taxes during a recession is bad is saying it would make it worse,.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts added to the deficits every year since your stupid party passed them.

Look asswipe, no one said Obama benefited.

Look, asshole, if there was no benefit to Obama's economy from the lower rates, why didn't Obama raise them?
If there was a benefit, go fuck yourself, those are his rates now.

Your hero's unfunded tax cuts

Unfunded tax cuts? That's hilarious!!!
So to pay for Bush's tax cuts, Obama should have cut spending.
Or raised rates.
Poor Obama, so smart, so powerless. Nothing was his fault.

Talk about low expectations.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Jesus fucking Christ you are a fucking moron.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

You know nothing about economics.

BECAUSE RAISING THEM WOULD MAKE IT WORSE YOU STUPID SHIT.

Careful, people will accuse you of being a conservative.

BUSH & your stupid paolical party should have of paid for those tax cuts. THEY were responsible.

I agree, Bush spent way too much.
Obama made Bush look like a skinflint.

Once Obama kept the same rates, he owned them.

The Democrats have been blocked from raising the tax rates on the rich for 35 years now, brain-washed functional moron.

The Democrats have been blocked from raising the tax rates on the rich for 35 years now

They talked Bush into raising them in 1990.
Clinton raised them in 1993.
Obama raised them in 2012.

Have you always been a moron, or just since your brain injury?