Trump files, jury sees classified files or Trump wins

[WorldWatcher]

They'd have to pick a jury and do background checks.......extending the trial for months.

The judge is saying how can jury come to a conclusion/rule on evidence they can not see.

"Trust Us"

Nah, pretty easy.

Ask DOD for a list of Florida residents on active duty that hold a TS clearance. Then let DOD sent them TAD/TDY to Palm Beach for the duration of the court. [/s]

WW

 

[Delldude]

No. Existing TS Clearance holders. Should be able to free up a dozen for Trump.

All career democrats of course.

 

[Marener]

Both articles roll that way citing presidential administrations. Those records are the ultimate responsibility of the president.

The point here is that presidents aren’t in the habit of taking home highly classified documents.

 

[Delldude]

Nah, pretty easy.

Ask DOD for a list of Florida residents on active duty that hold a TS clearance. Then let DOD sent them TAD/TDY to Palm Beach for the duration of the court. [/s]

WW

Mostly republicans.............

 

[Marener]

LOL Seems it's only serious when it's TRUMP

It’s always serious. Your view of what “seems” to be the case may be influenced by your prejudices and biases.

If the DoJ was worried about Trump’s willingness to comply, he certainly proved that worry to be justified.

 

[Rawley]

OK. Prosecute them. We're talking about Trump in this thread.

You made the argument that if he possessed classified docs "If so he is guilty. Thats all the law requires."

Just pointing out that so Biden, so did Hillary, so did Bill, so did Pence. But Biden is only prosecuting his political enemy.

Incredibly sad turn in American politics. Unless Biden stops this nonsense soon, I will wholeheartedly support Trump putting the demented fuckstik in prison for the res of his life.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The jury needs to know he ignored a grand jury subpoena.

The witnesses can testify to that.

Really? That’s how you envision it?

Witnesses will say “oh yeah, Trump ignored the subpoena. For sure.”

They don’t have to explain how they don’t have to show what the subpoena was for and prove that Trump still had it by showing it?

Imagine cases where mishandling classified documents is in enforceable because the jury isn't authorized to see them...which is why we have CIPA.

Where do you get the idea that the jury “can’t see it?”

The jury will have to have a security clearance to see any classified information. But as I explained it another post, it’s so happens that the same partisan hacks who are prosecuting Trump are the ones in charge of granting or not granting clearances. All they gotta do is give the jury clearances.

Not like it’s a big flex for them to do that. They offered a Twitter exec to give him a “block” of clearances to pass out like candy - just to make it easier for them to censor negative information about Biden.

You did know Smith has at least two who have testified that he instructed justice and that is just what we know.



Again, study up on CIPA. I don't make the laws, I am just telling you they exist.



False equivalence. Let's stick to documents covered under the espionage act.



Nothing unfair about I can see.

Trump obstructed justice, lied to investigators, conspired to obstruct and violated the espionage act.


No. Just pointing out the actual indictments, testimony and CIPA laws.

yes, those of you who worship him, worship him even more. He literally could gun down people live on TV and you would still support and vote for him. You are not part of this equation.

There are people out there that are not like you or like the mindless Biden drones.

Now you drift into nonsensical ranting, that cannot logically be responded to.

Before any of his actual court dates on all the cases he will have delayed till after the election. it will not take long for him to run if he loses.

OK, you seem to have set the bar pretty high for your prediction. Wager accepted!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Now you drift into nonsensical ranting, that cannot logically be responded to.

Just stating the facts. Trump himself said he could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose any voters. He was speaking about people like you.

OK, you seem to have set the bar pretty high for your prediction. Wager accepted!

Good deal.

 

[Rawley]

It’s always serious. Your view of what “seems” to be the case may be influenced by your prejudices and biases.

Yup prejudiced and biased by objective fact. Biden wasn't prosecuted , Hillary wasn't prosecuted, Bill wasn't prosecuted, Pence wasn't prosecuted, Carter wasn't prosecuted

If the DoJ was worried about Trump’s willingness to comply, he certainly proved that worry to be justified.

He complied. And for the fourth time, six weeks later Garland/Biden opened a criminal investigation. Your "non-response does nothing to refute my argument."

 

[Delldude]

If the DoJ was worried about Trump’s willingness to comply, he certainly proved that worry to be justified.

There was two schools of thought on whether a raid should have been conducted at all. One group thought talking to Trump was working and a better optic than raiding......while the other group wanted to go full cowboy......who just happened to be the same group who were involved in the Russia hoax. Trump has the Russia hoax files and they know it. Hear all the BS stories about files they didn't find?

 

[berg80]

There was two schools of thought on whether a raid should have been conducted at all. One group thought talking to Trump was working and a better optic than raiding......while the other group wanted to go full cowboy......who just happened to be the same group who were involved in the Russia hoax. Trump has the Russia hoax files and they know it. Hear all the BS stories about files they didn't find?

She's a hack.

11th Circuit Vacates Cannon’s Order to Appoint a Special Master in Mar-a-lago Investigation

On Dec. 1, in a unanimous per curiam decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled to reverse an order issued by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master to oversee the review of classified documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-lago residence on Aug. 8.

The 11th Circuit found that Cannon “improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction” in hearing the case and that the entire proceeding should be dismissed. Notably, the court also found that regardless of the status of a document in question (personal or presidential), the government maintains the authority to seize it under a warrant supported by probable cause.

The panel wrote, “The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.”
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=On Dec. 1, in a,lago residence on Aug. 8.

 

[Delldude]

She's a hack.

11th Circuit Vacates Cannon’s Order to Appoint a Special Master in Mar-a-lago Investigation

On Dec. 1, in a unanimous per curiam decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled to reverse an order issued by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master to oversee the review of classified documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-lago residence on Aug. 8.

The 11th Circuit found that Cannon “improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction” in hearing the case and that the entire proceeding should be dismissed. Notably, the court also found that regardless of the status of a document in question (personal or presidential), the government maintains the authority to seize it under a warrant supported by probable cause.

The panel wrote, “The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.”
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=On Dec. 1, in a,lago residence on Aug. 8.

So one decision...............you made out like it happens all the time.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You made the argument that if he possessed classified docs "If so he is guilty. Thats all the law requires."

Right. If they did it, prosecute them too.

Just pointing out that so Biden, so did Hillary, so did Bill, so did Pence. But Biden is only prosecuting his political enemy.

Go after them too.

Incredibly sad turn in American politics. Unless Biden stops this nonsense soon, I will wholeheartedly support Trump putting the demented fuckstik in prison for the res of his life.

Your complaining and then want to imprison people you don't like without charges. Smooth Move there Poindexter.

 

[SeaMajor7]

She's a hack.

11th Circuit Vacates Cannon’s Order to Appoint a Special Master in Mar-a-lago Investigation

On Dec. 1, in a unanimous per curiam decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled to reverse an order issued by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master to oversee the review of classified documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-lago residence on Aug. 8.

The 11th Circuit found that Cannon “improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction” in hearing the case and that the entire proceeding should be dismissed. Notably, the court also found that regardless of the status of a document in question (personal or presidential), the government maintains the authority to seize it under a warrant supported by probable cause.

The panel wrote, “The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.”
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=On Dec. 1, in a,lago residence on Aug. 8.

YOU'RE A HACK!!!!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yup prejudiced and biased by objective fact. Biden wasn't prosecuted , Hillary wasn't prosecuted, Bill wasn't prosecuted, Pence wasn't prosecuted, Carter wasn't prosecuted

He complied. And for the fourth time, six weeks later Garland/Biden opened a criminal investigation. Your "non-response does nothing to refute my argument."

He did not comply, he gave a tiny part of what he had. He kept the rest, and according to his own employees tried to hide it.

 

[Rawley]

There was two schools of thought on whether a raid should have been conducted at all. One group thought talking to Trump was working and a better optic than raiding......while the other group wanted to go full cowboy......who just happened to be the same group who were involved in the Russia hoax. Trump has the Russia hoax files and they know it. Hear all the BS stories about files they didn't find?

One thing they never address is what was the result of Biden's DNI's security review of the Trump docs. You know damn well if it was bad for Trump it would have been front page news. The only logical conclusion is that it was harmful to Biden, which is why they are not releasing the results

Intel officials to assess national security fallout from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents

Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines confirmed the review in a letter to top lawmakers.

www.politico.com

 

[berg80]

She's a hack and a shill for Dear Leader.

Aileen Cannon Might Actually Get Herself Kicked Off the Trump Classified Docs Case​

The recent news about possible Russian space nukes reminds us that we live in a very insecure world. That is why perhaps none of Donald Trump’s four criminal cases is more troubling than the federal prosecution brought by special counsel Jack Smith for mishandling classified documents. Unfortunately, the judge handling the case, Aileen Cannon—a last-minute appointment rushed through in the waning days of the Trump administration—has proved herself to be by far the worst of the jurists overseeing these momentous cases. Her decisions during the investigative phase of the case strayed wildly from precedent, leading to brutal reversals by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit. Now Smith appears to be preparing to ask that body to overturn at least one and possibly two of her decisions. In our view, while he is there on those other issues, he should also petition them to remove her from the case.

Aileen Cannon Might Actually Get Herself Kicked Off the Trump Classified Docs Case

Jack Smith is likely headed for the court of appeals.

slate.com

 

[Rawley]

He did not comply

For the last time. He did comply and six weeks later Garland/Biden opened a criminal investigation. Deal with the reality.

 

[berg80]

ONe theing they never address is what was the result of Biden's DNI's security review of the Trump docs. You know damn well if it was bad for Trump it would have been front page news. The only logical conclusion is that it was harmful to Biden, which is why they are not releasing the results

Intel officials to assess national security fallout from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents

Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines confirmed the review in a letter to top lawmakers.

www.politico.com

Do we really need a DNI review in light of Smith's indictment following the grand jury's decision?

 

[Delldude]

Go after them too.

They did and DOJ didn't pursue, except for Clinton........which DOJ lost.

Prosecutorial discretion.