Trump Guilty...Surprised?

[Catsnmeters]

I am addressing it.

Fraud can only happen if another crime is being covered up.

What was the other crime?

Now let’s see who won’t address the topic.

The other crimes were listed in the jury instructions at the end of the trial.

You can look them up on left wing media sites if the right wing sites are hiding them from you.

 

[rightwinger]

Is a NDA not a legal document?

It is not the NDA Damn it!
Why do you keep saying that?

It was that Cohen paid for the NDA and Trump paid him back claiming legal expenses

 

[JoeMoma]

The other crimes were listed in the jury instructions at the end of the trial.

You can look them up on left wing media sites if the right wing sites are hiding them from you.

None of the "other crimes" were proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law? The way the jury instructions were set up allowed for the avoidance of that legal standard that is the bedrock of our judicial system.

 

[JoeMoma]

It is not the NDA Damn it!
Why do you keep saying that?

It was that Cohen paid for the NDA and Trump paid him back claiming legal expenses

And the NDA was a legal expense.

 

[theHawk]

The other crimes were listed in the jury instructions at the end of the trial.

You can look them up on left wing media sites if the right wing sites are hiding them from you.

Should be easy for you to post then.

 

[Catsnmeters]

None of the "other crimes" were proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law? The way the jury instructions were set up allowed for the avoidance of that legal standard that is the bedrock of our judicial system.

The supporting crimes don't have to be proven.

That is the law since 1965 and is based on judicial precedent.

That is what Trump supporters refuse to accept.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

So Trump stands convicted.
And MAGA is mad as crap!

Which raises, in the DADO mind, a question.

Are you MAGA types REALLY surprised by the verdict?
You claim "shock," but really?

Given Trump's behavior over his lifetime.
His charity frauds.
Trump U.
and the hundreds of scams he's run against MAGA the last 8 years...
Given the fact his attorney was convicted in this matter.
Given the facts presented at trial...

Can you honestly expect anyone to believe you are "surprised" or "shocked" by the verdict.

MY guess on the probabilities was 90% Guilty, 10% Hung, 0% Not Guilty.

If, in fact, you are surprised by the verdict can you explain why?



Here's a link for the wannabe Mods.

Live Updates: Trump Guilty on All Counts in Hush-Money Case

Donald J. Trump, the former president and presumptive 2024 Republican nominee, was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a case stemming from a payment that silenced a porn star.

www.nytimes.com

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About the 50th thread about this.

Y'all are so easy.







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[theHawk]

It was that Cohen paid for the NDA and Trump paid him back claiming legal expenses

Which isn’t illegal in the least.

Otherwise, provide the law that says it is.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I guess I was a little surprised. I've been retired from there for 18 years. Rudy was the mayor then and it was a lot different. It was a little hard for me to accept how far down the toilet NYC has gone. Now it's going to be hard to imagine that NYC could possibly straighten itself out. I think some of our bigger cities have reached the point of no return. MAGA

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MAGA

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[j-mac]

If Cohen performed legal services for the Trump organization it would be a legitimate legal fee.

But for Cohen to personally pay hush money to cover one of Trumps sexual conquests and be reimbursed by the Trump organization is no “legal fee”

Good Grief you're stupid....NDA's are a legal instrument, and are used everyday in many businesses. Hell, they're even used in Congress, who btw, has a slush fund to pay off their sexual dalliances...

When a lawyer submits an invoice to the entity he is doing work for, what exactly should that be entered in the books as?

 

[JoeMoma]

The supporting crimes don't have to be proven.

That is the law since 1965 and is based on judicial precedent.

That is what Trump supporters refuse to accept.

And thus we now have a kangaroo court.

 

[theHawk]

LOL even ant-Trump lunatic Chris Cuomo (aka Freddo) says these charges are completely bogus.

 

[j-mac]

Nothing wrong with an NDA. Trump does it all the time.

But if Trump wants to pay off his sexual conquests, he needs to use his own money……not that of the Trump Organization hidden as a legal fee

Nothing was presented at trial proving that anything was illegal in entering the payment for the invoice that Cohen presented to the company, other than Cohen stealing $60K from Trump...

 

[rightwinger]

MAGA keeps screaming LAWFARE……KANGAROO COURT!

But each of these cases comes down to a simple fact.
Trump made bad decisions and is paying for them.

1. Nothing illegal about having sex with Stormy Daniels or paying her for an NDA.
If Trump had written her a check or gave her a suitcase full of money it would be no problem. But he insisted Cohen pay with his money and would pay him off after the election as legal services. BAD DECISION BY TRUMP

2. It is bad having TOP SECRET Documents in your possession. Both Biden and Mike Pence found them and immediately turned them in.
Trump denied he had them, ordered them moved, covered them up until the FBI searched for them.
BAD DECISION BY TRUMP

3. Every President who has lost re-election admitted they lost and peacefully transition. Trump refused to admit he lost, made up a lie that he had won, pressured local election officials to overturn the voters, pressured his VP to not certify the vote, brought in fake electors to steal the election, launched an assault on Congress.
BAD DECISION BY TRUMP

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nothing was presented at trial proving that anything was illegal in entering the payment for the invoice that Cohen presented to the company, other than Cohen stealing $60K from Trump...

The jury that actually heard the evidence does not agree with you.

 

[BULLDOG]

"Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues".

Good idea. Pack your shit and go. The country doesn't need MAGA scum.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Should be easy for you to post then.

You are right. It was easy. You should have done it days ago.

Read the jury instructions in Donald Trump's New York criminal hush money trial

Read the full jury instructions in former President Donald Trump's New York criminal hush money trial.

www.usatoday.com

(Page 31 of the embedded document)

"In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws."

 

[rightwinger]

Nothing was presented at trial proving that anything was illegal in entering the payment for the invoice that Cohen presented to the company, other than Cohen stealing $60K from Trump...

The jury unanimously declared otherwise

 

[Catsnmeters]

And thus we now have a kangaroo court.

The court can't change laws. They enforce them.

Merchan and subsequently the jurors are bound by the law as written.

 

[dblack]

So Trump stands convicted.
And MAGA is mad as crap!

Which raises, in the DADO mind, a question.

Are you MAGA types REALLY surprised by the verdict?
You claim "shock," but really?

Given Trump's behavior over his lifetime.
His charity frauds.
Trump U.
and the hundreds of scams he's run against MAGA the last 8 years...
Given the fact his attorney was convicted in this matter.
Given the facts presented at trial...

Can you honestly expect anyone to believe you are "surprised" or "shocked" by the verdict.

MY guess on the probabilities was 90% Guilty, 10% Hung, 0% Not Guilty.

If, in fact, you are surprised by the verdict can you explain why?



Here's a link for the wannabe Mods.

Live Updates: Trump Guilty on All Counts in Hush-Money Case

Donald J. Trump, the former president and presumptive 2024 Republican nominee, was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a case stemming from a payment that silenced a porn star.

www.nytimes.com

Not surprised at all. Sadly, it's going down exactly as I feared it would. Once again, we're going to saddled with Trump as our President.

Thanks Obama!