Trump has the worst negatives of just about any candidate in modern history.

[Dr.Traveler]

Leaders of nations have the moral and professional responsibility to put the interests of their nation first, and to do what they can to advance them.

Leaders in government have the responsibility to ensure the continued survival of the nation. You do that by knowing when you have to stand up for the national interest and knowing when you have to acquiesce in the interest of peace and stability. Through out US History we have been fortunate to have leaders that understood that and acted on that. That understanding is something most Trump followers would call being "globalist" and it is exactly that understanding that permeates so much of the Constitution.

Trump appears to not grasp that at all. He's said stupid and arrogant stuff that will poison the well of international politics for years to come. As powerful as we are (and we are mighty), acting that way can absolutely undermine our agenda overseas and our industry at home.

Your claim that Trump doesn't understand that is nonsense.

YOur first stated concern was Russia. Trump wants to STOP our screwing around with Russia.

China? China is screwing around with US. We have tremendous leverage on them as they are dependent on the 300 billion a year trade surplus they get from US. They are the ones who need to know when to acquiesce.

Mexico? Mexico has been an insanely unfriendly neighbor, violating our sovereignty massively for decades. And again, we have the leverage and THEY need to be the ones to acquiesce.

So your plan is to take on all three at once. Great plan.

 

[easyt65]

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

And Liberals AREN'T?

A 74yo self-proclaimed Socialist

A career lying, self-serving, criminal who jeopardized national security for convenience, got 4 Americans needlessly murdered, and who has more skeletons in her closet than 1 4-story haunted house the week after Halloween.

 

[Correll]

well played. I love a good sense of humor

Hillary is having trouble beating Sanders dude and when the SD's take the nomination away from him all, if not most, of his supporters will bail on the election. Well at least thats what they are threatening. They may change their mind when they see that if they bail Trump will step into the WH without even breaking a sweat.

Hillary has a lot of problems and all one needs to do is look at whats happening. Sanders is embarrassing her in these primaries. For him to be doing as well as he is says a lot. He's a 74 year old bum who is giving her a run for her money. Thats fucked up

The Dems will hold together, regardless of who gets the nomination. To think any democrat is going to sit down when they can get up to three SCOTUS appointments is senseless thinking. That's what pisses me off about the GOP. Too many are ready to throw all of that away in a hissy fit if they don't get Donald.

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

Or don't sideline Trump....and take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

Siding with Trump would mean NOT attacking a significant portion of their base.

That's the type of self inflicted wound that might take decades to heal.

You dems seem to be fine with knowing that your leaders hold you in contempt. We republicans? NOt so much.

 

[Nyvin]

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

And Liberals AREN'T?

A 74yo self-proclaimed Socialist

A career lying, self-serving, criminal who jeopardized national security for convenience, got 4 Americans needlessly murdered, and who has more skeletons in her closet than 1 4-story haunted house the week after Halloween.

From the most neutral partisan position as I can possibly put myself into....I cannot at all see the Democratic candidates being as bad as the current TWO Republican Frontrunners.

 

[Correll]

Leaders of nations have the moral and professional responsibility to put the interests of their nation first, and to do what they can to advance them.

Leaders in government have the responsibility to ensure the continued survival of the nation. You do that by knowing when you have to stand up for the national interest and knowing when you have to acquiesce in the interest of peace and stability. Through out US History we have been fortunate to have leaders that understood that and acted on that. That understanding is something most Trump followers would call being "globalist" and it is exactly that understanding that permeates so much of the Constitution.

Trump appears to not grasp that at all. He's said stupid and arrogant stuff that will poison the well of international politics for years to come. As powerful as we are (and we are mighty), acting that way can absolutely undermine our agenda overseas and our industry at home.

Your claim that Trump doesn't understand that is nonsense.

YOur first stated concern was Russia. Trump wants to STOP our screwing around with Russia.

China? China is screwing around with US. We have tremendous leverage on them as they are dependent on the 300 billion a year trade surplus they get from US. They are the ones who need to know when to acquiesce.

Mexico? Mexico has been an insanely unfriendly neighbor, violating our sovereignty massively for decades. And again, we have the leverage and THEY need to be the ones to acquiesce.

So your plan is to take on all three at once. Great plan.

How does "Stopping" screwing around with Russia equate to "taking them on"?

I do want to "take on" China and Mexico at once.

Both of them have been extremely unfriendly to US and advanced their interests aggressively at our expense, with the meek acquiescence of our American Last leaders.

Considering the tremendous leverage we hold on both of them, it should work out just fine for US.

 

[Correll]

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

And Liberals AREN'T?

A 74yo self-proclaimed Socialist

A career lying, self-serving, criminal who jeopardized national security for convenience, got 4 Americans needlessly murdered, and who has more skeletons in her closet than 1 4-story haunted house the week after Halloween.

From the most neutral partisan position as I can possibly put myself into....I cannot at all see the Democratic candidates being as bad as the current TWO Republican Frontrunners.

Trump is the only one with sane policies.


You aren't trusting what his enemies have to say about him are you?

 

[easyt65]

From the most neutral partisan position as I can possibly put myself into....I cannot at all see the Democratic candidates being as bad as the current TWO Republican Frontrunners.

So a candidate who jeopardized our nation's security for her own 'convenience' and so she could skirt the law by avoiding the pesky FOIA, who needlessly got 4 Americans murdered, and who lies more than her husband, a career sexual harassing, rapist, and adultering Ex - President coming along as baggage...

Okay then...

Out of all the 'evils' to choose from I might have to pick Bernie....because CONGRESS could control Bernie. Hillary would go the Obama 'EO' route to bypass Congress, the Constitution, and law...and I probably bet Trump might try to do the same.

 

[Correll]

well played. I love a good sense of humor

Hillary is having trouble beating Sanders dude and when the SD's take the nomination away from him all, if not most, of his supporters will bail on the election. Well at least thats what they are threatening. They may change their mind when they see that if they bail Trump will step into the WH without even breaking a sweat.

Hillary has a lot of problems and all one needs to do is look at whats happening. Sanders is embarrassing her in these primaries. For him to be doing as well as he is says a lot. He's a 74 year old bum who is giving her a run for her money. Thats fucked up

The Dems will hold together, regardless of who gets the nomination. To think any democrat is going to sit down when they can get up to three SCOTUS appointments is senseless thinking. That's what pisses me off about the GOP. Too many are ready to throw all of that away in a hissy fit if they don't get Donald.

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

The reason why there is so much hostility towards Trump from within the GOP is because many believe Trump will lead the party to a historic defeat, and damage the party amongst the fastest growing segments of the population.

Trump isn't unpopular with wide swaths of the population because the party is attacking him. The party is attacking him because he is unpopular with wide swaths of the population.

The GOP has been losing those segments of the population for decades before Trump.

Losing by slightly more is not reason enough to attack your own base.

The behavior of the GOP leadership, is either madness or a complete selling out to our political enemies.

 

[Skylar]

The Dems will hold together, regardless of who gets the nomination. To think any democrat is going to sit down when they can get up to three SCOTUS appointments is senseless thinking. That's what pisses me off about the GOP. Too many are ready to throw all of that away in a hissy fit if they don't get Donald.

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

Or don't sideline Trump....and take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

Siding with Trump would mean NOT attacking a significant portion of their base.

True enough. But it would mean that a significant portion of the GOP base that can't stand trump would either sit out the election or vote for Hillary. Which is about 1 in 4 GOP voters.

Plus, Trump is ludicrously unpopular with the general electorate. With about 55% of those polled indicating they would never vote Trump. And Trump pulling down some of the highest unfavorable ratings in polling history.

So......go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Don't go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Its just one big bucket of dogshit for the Grand Ol' Party.

 

[cereal_killer]

if Cruz get the GOP nomination I will fully support him. The most important thing any of us can do is keep Hillary Clinton out of power.

If Cruz or Kasich or Rubio get the nomination, I will vote for any one of them.

If Trump gets the nomination, I am not voting for President.

I'll vote for Hillary if Trump is the candidate. I'll probably vote Libertarian if Cruz is the candidate, though I might support Cruz. I'll vote for almost any other Republican if another emerges from the convention.

Toro are you a Democrat? Serious question

 

[eddiew]

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

And Liberals AREN'T?

A 74yo self-proclaimed Socialist

A career lying, self-serving, criminal who jeopardized national security for convenience, got 4 Americans needlessly murdered, and who has more skeletons in her closet than 1 4-story haunted house the week after Halloween.

Easy I say put her in jail BUT only after that lying pos repub gwb gets the chair for as well as murdering so many of our soldiers in his bs war

 

[Correll]

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

Or don't sideline Trump....and take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

Siding with Trump would mean NOT attacking a significant portion of their base.

True enough. But it would mean that a significant portion of the GOP base that can't stand trump would either sit out the election or vote for Hillary. Which is about 1 in 4 GOP voters.

Plus, Trump is ludicrously unpopular with the general electorate. With about 55% of those polled indicating they would never vote Trump. And Trump pulling down some of the highest unfavorable ratings in polling history.

So......go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Don't go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Its just one big bucket of dogshit for the Grand Ol' Party.

If the GOP leadership had taken steps to denounce the absurd propaganda about Trump, instead of supporting it at every opportunity, the negatives, at least among Republicans would not be as bad as they are now.

Ditto among Independents who don't always vote dem.

Instead they joined in on the Dog pile against their own front runner and their own base.

This is inexcusable and unforgivable behavior.

 

[eddiew]

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

Or don't sideline Trump....and take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

The GOP is basically picking between flavors of dog shit.

Siding with Trump would mean NOT attacking a significant portion of their base.

True enough. But it would mean that a significant portion of the GOP base that can't stand trump would either sit out the election or vote for Hillary. Which is about 1 in 4 GOP voters.

Plus, Trump is ludicrously unpopular with the general electorate. With about 55% of those polled indicating they would never vote Trump. And Trump pulling down some of the highest unfavorable ratings in polling history.

So......go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Don't go with Trump, and the GOP is fucked.

Its just one big bucket of dogshit for the Grand Ol' Party.

As it should be ,,,God is great

 

[JakeStarkey]

easyt and Correll, your types are not the base. You are only a significant minority but trying to act as if you have the weight and the pull of the majority of the party. You don't, you won't.

Trump scares the crap out of every sane person in America.

 

[easyt65]

The GOP has been losing those segments of the population for decades before Trump.

Losing by slightly more is not reason enough to attack your own base.

The behavior of the GOP leadership, is either madness or a complete selling out to our political enemies.

Yet their (Democrats) turnout in 2014, as it is so far in 2016, has been 'dismal', and that's being kind. It has been reported, again, that Liberal turnout so far in 2016 primaries has been 40% lower than it was in 2014, when Democrats suffered a record-setting defeat.

That is not meant to be an 'attack', just the facts. The base is not excited about Hillary, but hatred for Trump may be just what the Obamacare doctor ordered for Hillary in Nov....if Trump is allowed to get the nomination.

 

[Correll]

easyt and Correll, your types are not the base. You are only a significant minority buttrying to act as if you have the weight and the pull of the majority of the party. You don't, you won't.

Obviously we are not the whole base. Thanks for stating the obvious.


My point stands. It is utter madness or complete corruption for the Leadership to join with the lib media in attacking their own front runner and A SIGNIFICANT PORTION of their base.

Do you have anything to offer relevant to my actual point?

 

[Tom Horn]

Trump has promised he'll "act presidential" once he's got the nomination. I assume that means he'll stop his crazy Twitter rants, name-calling, walking back statements day after day, and read some policy briefs to know what he's talking about. And anybody who believes a word of it is probably still trying to find some Trump steaks or attend Trump University.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Trump is the nominee, the Dems sweep at least the WH and the Senate, push through every SCOTUS nomination on reconciliation, and turn this country upside down.

No sane Republican has to put up with Trump's nonsense.

 

[Correll]

The GOP has been losing those segments of the population for decades before Trump.

Losing by slightly more is not reason enough to attack your own base.

The behavior of the GOP leadership, is either madness or a complete selling out to our political enemies.

Yet their (Democrats) turnout in 2014, as it is so far in 2016, has been 'dismal', and that's being kind. It has been reported, again, that Liberal turnout so far in 2016 primaries has been 40% lower than it was in 2014, when Democrats suffered a record-setting defeat.

That is not meant to be an 'attack', just the facts. The base is not excited about Hillary, but hatred for Trump may be just what the Obamacare doctor ordered for Hillary in Nov....if Trump is allowed to get the nomination.

Thus, any push back on the absurd propaganda on Trump, doesn't have to convince Dem voters, just raise enough doubt to get them to return to their previous low level of energy.

And stay the fuck home.

Too bad the GOP leadership doesn't seem to care about winning.

 

[Toro]

The Dems will hold together, regardless of who gets the nomination. To think any democrat is going to sit down when they can get up to three SCOTUS appointments is senseless thinking. That's what pisses me off about the GOP. Too many are ready to throw all of that away in a hissy fit if they don't get Donald.

In effect the Establishment is telling us Trump supporters that they hold us in as much contempt as you do Jakey.

You don't get to do that and then ask for our support.

The GOP wants your support sensibly. If not, the GOP mainstream wants you gone. We will take the defeat if we have to in order to run you off. Then we get to blame you folks for the SCOTUS picks HRC is going to ram down our throats.

It is not sensible for a political party to attack it's own front runner and to join in the marginalization of a significant portion of it's own base.

If you get your way and sideline Trump, you will take this defeat and every one that comes after it.

Hillary will keep the borders open and by the time she is out of office, the GOP will be done as a national party.

This is on you and yours.

The reason why there is so much hostility towards Trump from within the GOP is because many believe Trump will lead the party to a historic defeat, and damage the party amongst the fastest growing segments of the population.

Trump isn't unpopular with wide swaths of the population because the party is attacking him. The party is attacking him because he is unpopular with wide swaths of the population.

The GOP has been losing those segments of the population for decades before Trump.

Losing by slightly more is not reason enough to attack your own base.

The behavior of the GOP leadership, is either madness or a complete selling out to our political enemies.

The GOP doesn't have to win those groups. They have to be competitive.

W won 44% of the Hispanic vote and won. Romney won 27% and lost. Right now, Hillary is leading Trump 72%-16% amongst Hispanics.

That's a death knell.