Trump-haters making democracy impossible

[eddiew37]

[Q
those first 100 days couldn't have been a carry over from the bush recession? you do remember him losing 800000 jobs in just HIS LAST MONTH??

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Bush economy was doing fine with a Republican Congress for six years, you dumbass. What changed was when that filthy 2006 Democrat Congress took over with Barney Queerboy, Tits Peloski, Dirty Harry and that new commie scumbag Senator from Illinois. Then everything went to hell. Of course those CRA chickens coming home to roost didn't help much,did it? The CRA was a stupid Democrat idea to use the force of the government to give credit to potential Democrat voters who had neither the means not the inclinations to ever pay the money back. You know, for social justice reasons. What could possibly go wrong?

This sorry crap that you Moon Bats do with blaming Obama's failures on Bush got old after the first five or six years. Grow up!

You idiots elected the worst President this country ever had and you were on a path to elect somebody that had the potential to be even worse with Crooked Hillary. You Moon Bats never get it right, do you? Nowadays you idiots are obstructionists to Trump's effort to make this country great again and that is despicable.

Hows this Flash?
July 23 (UPI) -- Jeb Bush criticized Republicans for going easy on Donald Trump on possible collusion between Russia and the campaign of his former rival for the U.S. presidency.

Bush, a former Florida governor, also blasted Trump on Saturday during Ozy Fest, a combination of policy-related symposiums and musical acts hosted by the digital news magazine in New York's Central Park.

"If your opponent does things that you, your head explodes on, if Barack Obama did something as it's related to Russia, you say 'this is outrageous,' all this stuff, then when your guy does the same thing, have the same passion to be critical," Bush said.


When asked whether Republicans were afraid of Trump, he continued: "Does everything have to be a political calculus? 'Oh, my god, if I say something, there will be an opponent, and there will be a third-party interest group come and give money to my opponent. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.' This is not what public services should be about."

Bush, who did not vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or Trump in the 2016 election, has criticized Trump repeatedly since the president took office in January.

Bush addressed Trump's way of governing Saturday.

"You get disciplined when your team says, 'No, Mr. President, let's stay focused on these policy objectives,'" Bush said. "Don't disparage people, don't go after Mueller, don't say you're going to pardon yourself or whatever. Don't do all that. Govern."

Independent counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the possible collusion.

"He unleashed five tweets today about stuff that jeopardizes his legal situation, insults somebody, goes back to the 2016 election, none of which is relevant to getting tax relief done, regulatory reform done," Bush said about Trump. "This is going to be a long ride between 2018 in January, much less 2020."

 

[eddiew37]

Donald Trump was elected by the people of the United States to a four year term. He is the person we chose to execute the laws of our Republic. We chose him according to the method as provided in our Constitution--the supreme law of the land. You Trump-haters have opposed him from his first day in office--not his policies, but him. You have attacked him like a pack of vicious dogs every minute of every day of his administration--not his policies, but him. In other words, you have spent every day since he took office attacking our democracy itself.

You seek to bring him down. That means you seek to overturn the election. That means you seek to bring down our system of government. That means you and your thug allies think you should replace the democratic will of the people as the supreme power in this land. That means you seek to overturn the Constitution; you seek to subvert the rule of law. That means you are dangerous traitors.

Consider this from today's Washington Post: Sessions discussed Trump campaign with Russian ambassador, per intel intercepts. Do you know what that is? That is a big fat nothing. So what if Sessions discussed the campaign with the Russian ambassador. So fucking what? Jeff Sessions could have made it his mission to discuss the campaign with every leader on earth plus Satan every single day from Iowa through November 8 and no laws would have been broken.

Trump should have federal agents raid the Washington Post on Monday morning and have every person there arrested on charges of treason. He should keep them in jail until the end of his term.

Just politics? Mr. Trump alleged to have a, "fine and wonderful" health plan. Where is it.

you gotta pass it to see what's in it.

Pass this Ice
July 21 (UPI) -- As President Donald Trump promotes his "Made in America" week to encourage the purchase of American-made goods and increase American jobs, his Palm Beach resort is seeking visas to hire non-American workers and pay them less than a living wage.

According to paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor, Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club is seeking foreign worker visas to hire 15 housekeepers at $10.33 per hour, 20 cooks at $13.34 per hour and 35 servers at $11.88 per hour.

The visa applications were first reported by Buzzfeed.


Palm Beach, Fla. is known for its lavish beachside estates where millionaires and billionaires reside, so most service workers there reside outside the city, such as nearby West Palm Beach. But even in the working-class city with an unemployment rate of about 4 percent adjacent to the wealthy city that Trump calls his second home, the average cost of living requires one to earn at least $25 per hour after taxes, according to Numbeo.

Trump, who ran on a promise to increase the number of jobs for Americans and decrease immigration, has applied for foreign workers to fill service positions at Mar-a-Lago several times since he announced his presidential bid in 2015, including a request for 64 workers at his resort in February.

In July 2016, he told ABC News "it's very, very hard to get employees" at his club.

"We interview. And we have a lot of people. We come with a lotta people. But it's very, very hard to get people in Palm Beach during the Palm Beach season. It's called the 'Palm Beach social season.' And what we do is we sometimes have to bring people in," he said.

His son, Donald Trump, Jr., also requested foreign worker visas to work the farms of his Virginia winery in March.

This week, Trump used the "Made in America" campaign to promote American-made goods.

"Every day, we are fighting to bring back our jobs, to restore our industry, and to put America first," he said Thursday.

 

[cnelsen]

...Climb down off your glory stand there, pumpkin. The press is rogue and needs to be stopped one way or the other. They are forcing the issue, and the majority of Americans agrees with me.

Hor$e$hit.

What you propose is both un-Constitutional and un-American and is not going to happen.

Got it now, Dr. Goebbels?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Clearly the free press the founders envisioned is long gone. At lease 1965, when Jews in Congress and the lying Jewish owned press colluded to inflict the 1965 Immigration Act on us. Squawk all you want about Nazis under the bed, but it's the truth. Jews betrayed us, and they used their media power to do it. It needs to stop because, clearly, they don't seem to be able to stop themselves. It just keeps getting worse, and their behavior since Trump announced his candidacy has been shockingly treasonous.

And there is this: overt and explicit interference by the Jewish owner of Univision and Israeli-American dual citizen to push Hillary Clinton,"our candidate" , as Friedman, the coChair of the Motion Pictures Assn calls her. And the lapdogs in Congress are investigating RUSSIAN interference? Jews are just proving once again they are an enemy.

So why lie about them? Why omit them from disclosure forms?

The issue here is the media picking a candidate, who loses to everyone's utter shock, and in response is in the process of overturning the election. That has never been the purview of the free press. The Founders envisioned the free press to be one with the people. That is no longer the case. They are hostiles with an agenda not only at odds with the American people's, but downright antagonistic.

 

[eddiew37]

...Climb down off your glory stand there, pumpkin. The press is rogue and needs to be stopped one way or the other. They are forcing the issue, and the majority of Americans agrees with me.

Hor$e$hit.

What you propose is both un-Constitutional and un-American and is not going to happen.

Got it now, Dr. Goebbels?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Clearly the free press the founders envisioned is long gone. At lease 1965, when Jews in Congress and the lying Jewish owned press colluded to inflict the 1965 Immigration Act on us. Squawk all you want about Nazis under the bed, but it's the truth. Jews betrayed us, and they used their media power to do it. It needs to stop because, clearly, they don't seem to be able to stop themselves. It just keeps getting worse, and their behavior since Trump announced his candidacy has been shockingly treasonous.

And there is this: overt and explicit interference by the Jewish owner of Univision and Israeli-American dual citizen to push Hillary Clinton,"our candidate" , as Friedman, the coChair of the Motion Pictures Assn calls her. And the lapdogs in Congress are investigating RUSSIAN interference? Jews are just proving once again they are an enemy.

So why lie about them? Why omit them from disclosure forms?

The issue here is the media picking a candidate, who loses to everyone's utter shock, and in response is in the process of overturning the election. That has never been the purview of the free press. The Founders envisioned the free press to be one with the people. That is no longer the case. They are hostiles with an agenda not only at odds with the American people's, but downright antagonistic.

Think 63 million Americans disagree with you

 

[cnelsen]

[Q
those first 100 days couldn't have been a carry over from the bush recession? you do remember him losing 800000 jobs in just HIS LAST MONTH??

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Bush economy was doing fine with a Republican Congress for six years, you dumbass. What changed was when that filthy 2006 Democrat Congress took over with Barney Queerboy, Tits Peloski, Dirty Harry and that new commie scumbag Senator from Illinois. Then everything went to hell. Of course those CRA chickens coming home to roost didn't help much,did it? The CRA was a stupid Democrat idea to use the force of the government to give credit to potential Democrat voters who had neither the means not the inclinations to ever pay the money back. You know, for social justice reasons. What could possibly go wrong?

This sorry crap that you Moon Bats do with blaming Obama's failures on Bush got old after the first five or six years. Grow up!

You idiots elected the worst President this country ever had and you were on a path to elect somebody that had the potential to be even worse with Crooked Hillary. You Moon Bats never get it right, do you? Nowadays you idiots are obstructionists to Trump's effort to make this country great again and that is despicable.

Hows this Flash?
July 23 (UPI) -- Jeb Bush criticized Republicans for going easy on Donald Trump on possible collusion between Russia and the campaign of his former rival for the U.S. presidency.

Bush, a former Florida governor, also blasted Trump on Saturday during Ozy Fest, a combination of policy-related symposiums and musical acts hosted by the digital news magazine in New York's Central Park.

"If your opponent does things that you, your head explodes on, if Barack Obama did something as it's related to Russia, you say 'this is outrageous,' all this stuff, then when your guy does the same thing, have the same passion to be critical," Bush said.


When asked whether Republicans were afraid of Trump, he continued: "Does everything have to be a political calculus? 'Oh, my god, if I say something, there will be an opponent, and there will be a third-party interest group come and give money to my opponent. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.' This is not what public services should be about."

Bush, who did not vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or Trump in the 2016 election, has criticized Trump repeatedly since the president took office in January.

Bush addressed Trump's way of governing Saturday.

"You get disciplined when your team says, 'No, Mr. President, let's stay focused on these policy objectives,'" Bush said. "Don't disparage people, don't go after Mueller, don't say you're going to pardon yourself or whatever. Don't do all that. Govern."

Independent counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the possible collusion.

"He unleashed five tweets today about stuff that jeopardizes his legal situation, insults somebody, goes back to the 2016 election, none of which is relevant to getting tax relief done, regulatory reform done," Bush said about Trump. "This is going to be a long ride between 2018 in January, much less 2020."

Vanquished Rival Bitterly Denounces Victor. Wow, shocking.

 

[eddiew37]

anyone wonder why trump isn't lobbying for HC? Because like most other things he doesn't know shit

 

[eddiew37]

[Q
those first 100 days couldn't have been a carry over from the bush recession? you do remember him losing 800000 jobs in just HIS LAST MONTH??

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Bush economy was doing fine with a Republican Congress for six years, you dumbass. What changed was when that filthy 2006 Democrat Congress took over with Barney Queerboy, Tits Peloski, Dirty Harry and that new commie scumbag Senator from Illinois. Then everything went to hell. Of course those CRA chickens coming home to roost didn't help much,did it? The CRA was a stupid Democrat idea to use the force of the government to give credit to potential Democrat voters who had neither the means not the inclinations to ever pay the money back. You know, for social justice reasons. What could possibly go wrong?

This sorry crap that you Moon Bats do with blaming Obama's failures on Bush got old after the first five or six years. Grow up!

You idiots elected the worst President this country ever had and you were on a path to elect somebody that had the potential to be even worse with Crooked Hillary. You Moon Bats never get it right, do you? Nowadays you idiots are obstructionists to Trump's effort to make this country great again and that is despicable.

Hows this Flash?
July 23 (UPI) -- Jeb Bush criticized Republicans for going easy on Donald Trump on possible collusion between Russia and the campaign of his former rival for the U.S. presidency.

Bush, a former Florida governor, also blasted Trump on Saturday during Ozy Fest, a combination of policy-related symposiums and musical acts hosted by the digital news magazine in New York's Central Park.

"If your opponent does things that you, your head explodes on, if Barack Obama did something as it's related to Russia, you say 'this is outrageous,' all this stuff, then when your guy does the same thing, have the same passion to be critical," Bush said.


When asked whether Republicans were afraid of Trump, he continued: "Does everything have to be a political calculus? 'Oh, my god, if I say something, there will be an opponent, and there will be a third-party interest group come and give money to my opponent. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.' This is not what public services should be about."

Bush, who did not vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or Trump in the 2016 election, has criticized Trump repeatedly since the president took office in January.

Bush addressed Trump's way of governing Saturday.

"You get disciplined when your team says, 'No, Mr. President, let's stay focused on these policy objectives,'" Bush said. "Don't disparage people, don't go after Mueller, don't say you're going to pardon yourself or whatever. Don't do all that. Govern."

Independent counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the possible collusion.

"He unleashed five tweets today about stuff that jeopardizes his legal situation, insults somebody, goes back to the 2016 election, none of which is relevant to getting tax relief done, regulatory reform done," Bush said about Trump. "This is going to be a long ride between 2018 in January, much less 2020."

Vanquished Rival Bitterly Denounces Victor. Wow, shocking.

Like McConnell did to Obama ??Funny as hell to see republicans not liking the same shit they threw , thrown back in their faces

 

[eddiew37]

Agreed .. Bernie sure got screwed over by the corrupt DNC Hillary coronation and what's the deal with super delegates deciding for all Democrats, epic Democrat voter suppression. If Bernie wasn't such a fascist blowhard and totally corrupt insider after all, it would have bothered me.

Bernie sure got screwed over by the corrupt DNC Hillary coronation

and yet the leftards would still go along with it

and defend her actions and vote for the criminal

--LOL

locksteppers

Far Far better than this uneducated in our presidency , lying sack of turd in our WH

come on eagle I'll bet even you know more about our economy and foreign affairs than that moron

My God the stupidity in this thread is beyond reason..........If you are an example of half of our country we are FUCKED.

thankfully he is not

Jon Need a job? Trumps hiring
July 21 (UPI) -- As President Donald Trump promotes his "Made in America" week to encourage the purchase of American-made goods and increase American jobs, his Palm Beach resort is seeking visas to hire non-American workers and pay them less than a living wage.

According to paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor, Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club is seeking foreign worker visas to hire 15 housekeepers at $10.33 per hour, 20 cooks at $13.34 per hour and 35 servers at $11.88 per hour.

The visa applications were first reported by Buzzfeed.


Palm Beach, Fla. is known for its lavish beachside estates where millionaires and billionaires reside, so most service workers there reside outside the city, such as nearby West Palm Beach. But even in the working-class city with an unemployment rate of about 4 percent adjacent to the wealthy city that Trump calls his second home, the average cost of living requires one to earn at least $25 per hour after taxes, according to Numbeo.

Trump, who ran on a promise to increase the number of jobs for Americans and decrease immigration, has applied for foreign workers to fill service positions at Mar-a-Lago several times since he announced his presidential bid in 2015, including a request for 64 workers at his resort in February.

In July 2016, he told ABC News "it's very, very hard to get employees" at his club.

"We interview. And we have a lot of people. We come with a lotta people. But it's very, very hard to get people in Palm Beach during the Palm Beach season. It's called the 'Palm Beach social season.' And what we do is we sometimes have to bring people in," he said.

His son, Donald Trump, Jr., also requested foreign worker visas to work the farms of his Virginia winery in March.

This week, Trump used the "Made in America" campaign to promote American-made goods.

"Every day, we are fighting to bring back our jobs, to restore our industry, and to put America first," he said Thursday.

 

[Flash]

[Q
those first 100 days couldn't have been a carry over from the bush recession? you do remember him losing 800000 jobs in just HIS LAST MONTH??

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Bush economy was doing fine with a Republican Congress for six years, you dumbass. What changed was when that filthy 2006 Democrat Congress took over with Barney Queerboy, Tits Peloski, Dirty Harry and that new commie scumbag Senator from Illinois. Then everything went to hell. Of course those CRA chickens coming home to roost didn't help much,did it? The CRA was a stupid Democrat idea to use the force of the government to give credit to potential Democrat voters who had neither the means not the inclinations to ever pay the money back. You know, for social justice reasons. What could possibly go wrong?

This sorry crap that you Moon Bats do with blaming Obama's failures on Bush got old after the first five or six years. Grow up!

You idiots elected the worst President this country ever had and you were on a path to elect somebody that had the potential to be even worse with Crooked Hillary. You Moon Bats never get it right, do you? Nowadays you idiots are obstructionists to Trump's effort to make this country great again and that is despicable.

Hows this Flash?
July 23 (UPI) -- Jeb Bush criticized Republicans for going easy on Donald Trump on possible collusion between Russia and the campaign of his former rival for the U.S. presidency.

Bush, a former Florida governor, also blasted Trump on Saturday during Ozy Fest, a combination of policy-related symposiums and musical acts hosted by the digital news magazine in New York's Central Park.

"If your opponent does things that you, your head explodes on, if Barack Obama did something as it's related to Russia, you say 'this is outrageous,' all this stuff, then when your guy does the same thing, have the same passion to be critical," Bush said.


When asked whether Republicans were afraid of Trump, he continued: "Does everything have to be a political calculus? 'Oh, my god, if I say something, there will be an opponent, and there will be a third-party interest group come and give money to my opponent. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.' This is not what public services should be about."

Bush, who did not vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or Trump in the 2016 election, has criticized Trump repeatedly since the president took office in January.

Bush addressed Trump's way of governing Saturday.

"You get disciplined when your team says, 'No, Mr. President, let's stay focused on these policy objectives,'" Bush said. "Don't disparage people, don't go after Mueller, don't say you're going to pardon yourself or whatever. Don't do all that. Govern."

Independent counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the possible collusion.

"He unleashed five tweets today about stuff that jeopardizes his legal situation, insults somebody, goes back to the 2016 election, none of which is relevant to getting tax relief done, regulatory reform done," Bush said about Trump. "This is going to be a long ride between 2018 in January, much less 2020."

How about this Moon Bat? One of the reasons I am not a Republican anymore is that Bush was a Liberal that did not further a conservative agenda. Besides, the Bush family is all butt hurt because Trump schlonged Jeb just like he schlonged Crooked Hillary so I really don't give a shit what he thinks.

However, regardless of the criticism of Bush being a Progressive it is a fact that the economy was doing fine for six years until the filthy Democrats took over.

Bush can be blamed for not standing up to the filthy Democrats but they are the ones that are responsible for the economic failure in 2007 and 2008 and they sure as hell didn't do a damn thing of substance to fix what they broke.

Obama was a total failure as a President. An incompetent affirmative action nobody that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about making this country great. A dumbass that thought that we would have prosperity with increased taxes, more welfare, more illegals, more debt, more regulations and subsiding failed businesses like GM and Solundra.

Obama did a lot of damage to this country. Trump has a big job ahead of him trying to fix all the things that Obama broke and we all should be supporting him instead of trying to obstruct his efforts.

 

[g5000]

Donald Trump was elected by the people of the United States to a four year term. He is the person we chose to execute the laws of our Republic. We chose him according to the method as provided in our Constitution--the supreme law of the land. You Trump-haters have opposed him from his first day in office--not his policies, but him.

What goes around, comes around.

So far, the whining over Trump has not even approached the thrashing and screaming and wailing and moaning and flailing and spinning around on the floor from the pseudocons over the past eight years during Obama's regime.

Take your medicine, punk.

 

[Flash]

[QUOT

Like McConnell did to Obama ??Funny as hell to see republicans not liking the same shit they threw , thrown back in their faces

You are confused Moon Bat.

That asshole Obama got almost everything that he wanted. He got his increased welfare, tremendous growth in the Federal budget, more taxes, more debt, more illegals, Obamacare, two shithead Supreme Court Justices and more Muslims, The only two things other than outright communism that we wanted that he didn't get was no gun control and not being able to appoint a third extreme far Left bat shit crazy Supreme Court Justice.

 

[WEATHER53]

Absolutely and as I have stated over and over this is their stated intent since about 10pm election night. Cry, accuse, investigate, obstruct and delay the implementation of the policies of the elected President
Just like with a child you go easy early and try to soothe but eventually ignore and it cries itself out
I hope Trump pardons every element that is being caught up in this fly swarm
so that governance can resume

 

[iceberg]

[Q
those first 100 days couldn't have been a carry over from the bush recession? you do remember him losing 800000 jobs in just HIS LAST MONTH??

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Bush economy was doing fine with a Republican Congress for six years, you dumbass. What changed was when that filthy 2006 Democrat Congress took over with Barney Queerboy, Tits Peloski, Dirty Harry and that new commie scumbag Senator from Illinois. Then everything went to hell. Of course those CRA chickens coming home to roost didn't help much,did it? The CRA was a stupid Democrat idea to use the force of the government to give credit to potential Democrat voters who had neither the means not the inclinations to ever pay the money back. You know, for social justice reasons. What could possibly go wrong?

This sorry crap that you Moon Bats do with blaming Obama's failures on Bush got old after the first five or six years. Grow up!

You idiots elected the worst President this country ever had and you were on a path to elect somebody that had the potential to be even worse with Crooked Hillary. You Moon Bats never get it right, do you? Nowadays you idiots are obstructionists to Trump's effort to make this country great again and that is despicable.

Hows this Flash?
July 23 (UPI) -- Jeb Bush criticized Republicans for going easy on Donald Trump on possible collusion between Russia and the campaign of his former rival for the U.S. presidency.

Bush, a former Florida governor, also blasted Trump on Saturday during Ozy Fest, a combination of policy-related symposiums and musical acts hosted by the digital news magazine in New York's Central Park.

"If your opponent does things that you, your head explodes on, if Barack Obama did something as it's related to Russia, you say 'this is outrageous,' all this stuff, then when your guy does the same thing, have the same passion to be critical," Bush said.


When asked whether Republicans were afraid of Trump, he continued: "Does everything have to be a political calculus? 'Oh, my god, if I say something, there will be an opponent, and there will be a third-party interest group come and give money to my opponent. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Oh, my god.' This is not what public services should be about."

Bush, who did not vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton or Trump in the 2016 election, has criticized Trump repeatedly since the president took office in January.

Bush addressed Trump's way of governing Saturday.

"You get disciplined when your team says, 'No, Mr. President, let's stay focused on these policy objectives,'" Bush said. "Don't disparage people, don't go after Mueller, don't say you're going to pardon yourself or whatever. Don't do all that. Govern."

Independent counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the possible collusion.

"He unleashed five tweets today about stuff that jeopardizes his legal situation, insults somebody, goes back to the 2016 election, none of which is relevant to getting tax relief done, regulatory reform done," Bush said about Trump. "This is going to be a long ride between 2018 in January, much less 2020."

Vanquished Rival Bitterly Denounces Victor. Wow, shocking.

Like McConnell did to Obama ??Funny as hell to see republicans not liking the same shit they threw , thrown back in their faces

as it was done before them.
and before them.
and before them.

it's not like all this started with obama only. also - if you told your parents "well they did it first" how well would that work in an argument? if you have kids and they told you that, would you give them an iota of caring about who started what?

but funny how adults are now doing what they'd never let children get away with.

 

[usmbguest5318]

You Trump-haters have opposed him from his first day in office--not his policies, but him.

Where you have been? Trump has been assailed because he is a reprobate and because his policy proposals are ill considered.

• Critique of Trump's Education Policies
• Critique of Trump's policy toward the media -- comments from a former GOP POTUS
• George W. Bush Delivers Critique of Donald Trump’s Policies
  
• Discussion of Trump's economic policies: protectionism, low taxes and coal mines
• The Macroeconomic Consequences of Mr. Trump’s Economic Policies
  
• Who Benefits From Donald Trump's Tax Plan?

When it comes to criticism of his public policy, when an organization does not proffer fawning approbation of them, they are declared an opponent or a liberal, or both, and, at least here on USMB. Such declarations are nearly never accompanied by an on-point rebuttal that directly and with portfolio takes on the specific policy proposal criticized. Instead, what one gets is aspersions such as "you're an idiot," "you're full of sh*t," "fake news," "more liberal XYZ," etc. The problem, mind you, isn't the vulgar aspersion; it's that the aspersion isn't accompanied by sound, rigorous, and well developed and founded content that gives it "adult teeth." (Sure, one can have plenty of adolescent-grade discussions here; indeed, they are on USMB ubiquitous....Were we teens, there'd be nothing bizarre or disconcerting about that....)

In short, one way or another, conservatives and Trumpkin members of USMB just don't engage in substantive and sound debate on points of policy. Accordingly, on USMB, it's nigh impossible to have a serious policy or current events discussion/debate. To wit:

• CDZ - Donald Trump's [100 Day] Contract with the American Voter
  
• Obamacare Economy: 7 Years, 16 million Jobs Created, Middle Class Incomes Up $3K
  
• CDZ - Understanding how the ACA's discounting provisions help people afford health insurance
  
• CDZ - Understanding how the ACA's discounting provisions help people afford health insurance
  
• CDZ - American workers competing with "world" workers
  
• CDZ - Analysis of the ACHA and ACA at the individual level
  
• CDZ - Trump Transition Team Skipped Ethics Training! Really? No gov't experience and they demurred?
  
• CDZ - Does Spicer know what he's talking about? Does he know what's going on? I doubt it.
  
• CDZ - Is it treasonous?
  
• Why Kushner was right to "beg" Trudeau to "talk some sense" into Trump re: NAFTA
  
• CDZ - U.S., China and North Korea
  
• Liberal & Conservative Think Tanks Agree on The Net Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration -- This discussion is particularly illustrative of my remarks above in that not one person who advocated for immigration limits as has Trump offered exculpating rebuttals for the fact that the net economic impact of immigration is positive. People addressed the costs or gains, but not the net impact...That despite the fact that anyone with sense they were born with would recognize that, in isolation, costs or gains, respectively, are of no use in determining public policy. Neither did anyone offer credible refutation of the empirical data and analysis I referenced showing that the net economic impact of immigration is positive.
  
• Look at what nations Trump's updated ban affects
  
• Just how much did Trump shave off the cost of the F-35 JSF?
  
• Debate Now - Universal Exchange Plan
  
• Trump wants sources but has none to give....The man isn't keen on free speech at all -- This thread is less about public policy and more about Trump's personal polilcies.
  
• In the space of a month, roughly, what has Trump accomplished and are there any measurable results?
  
• Trump's Israel remarks today are the first things he said that I can sorta "get with"
  
• Cutting Immigration Won't Do Low-skilled Workers Any Good -- Not a single direct answer offered in response to a straightforward question about the impact of a proposed policy.

Those are some of my posts/threads -- I listed them as examples because I know of their existence -- I'm sure others have made similar entreaties for substantive debate/discussion. The point is that we, as you put it, "Trump haters" (I don't hate Trump; I abhor that he is POTUS.) have presented plenty of opportunities for substantive discussion/debate about his policies. Few, if any, Trump advocates exhibit the will to step up and present hard-hitting arguments, counterarguments and rebuttals that refrain from puerile epithets, or at least that accompany the vulgar aspersions with strong cases that show them to be preponderantly merited.

 

[WEATHER53]

When it takes 10 paragraphs to Try and make a point then there is no point

 

[Valerie]

Donald Trump was elected by the people of the United States to a four year term. He is the person we chose to execute the laws of our Republic. We chose him according to the method as provided in our Constitution--the supreme law of the land. You Trump-haters have opposed him from his first day in office--not his policies, but him. You have attacked him like a pack of vicious dogs every minute of every day of his administration--not his policies, but him. In other words, you have spent every day since he took office attacking our democracy itself.

You seek to bring him down. That means you seek to overturn the election. That means you seek to bring down our system of government. That means you and your thug allies think you should replace the democratic will of the people as the supreme power in this land. That means you seek to overturn the Constitution; you seek to subvert the rule of law. That means you are dangerous traitors.

Consider this from today's Washington Post: Sessions discussed Trump campaign with Russian ambassador, per intel intercepts. Do you know what that is? That is a big fat nothing. So what if Sessions discussed the campaign with the Russian ambassador. So fucking what? Jeff Sessions could have made it his mission to discuss the campaign with every leader on earth plus Satan every single day from Iowa through November 8 and no laws would have been broken.

Trump should have federal agents raid the Washington Post on Monday morning and have every person there arrested on charges of treason. He should keep them in jail until the end of his term.

it's nothing personal against the donald per se, it's just all that illicit collusion with Russia...

ALL while undermining highly esteemed USA journalists and intelligence agencies.

Jared Kushner is in deep trouble—

Jared Kushner, sought a secret line of communications with Russian officials that would bypass American intelligence services is four large Goodyears tossed onto the White House tire fire. There is no "legitimate" reason why Trump's transition team should have sought out a secret line of communication with a foreign nation that the American government wouldn't know about. Sunday shows be damned; there is no spin that makes that "better."

That's colluding with a foreign government in defiance of your own no matter how you look at it, and is prima facie evidence that there was something going on between the top members of Team Trump and Russian officials that they didn't want American officials getting wind of—and that's even without considering the breaking news that Kushner had still more conversations with Russian officials that he did not previously bother to mention.

Jared Kushner and Russian ambassador discussed setting up a secret communications channel

 

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You seek to bring him down. That means you seek to overturn the election. That means you seek to bring down our system of government. That means you and your thug allies think you should replace the democratic will of the people as the supreme power in this land. That means you seek to overturn the Constitution; you seek to subvert the rule of law. That means you are dangerous traitors.

not quite, trumpswab. our constitution has a word for what the trump family has done to our country.

hint: it begins with a T.



Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.





"The Russian active measures campaign may have begun as early as 2015, when Russian intelligence services launched a series of spear fishing attacks designed to penetrate the computers of a broad array of Washington based Democratic and Republican party organizations, think tanks and other entities. This continued at least through the winter of 2016.

While at first the hacking may have been intended solely for the collection of foreign intelligence. In mid-2016 the Russians weapon eyes the stolen data and used platforms established by the Intel services, such as D.C. leaks in existing third-party channels like WikiLeaks to dump the documents. The stolen documents were almost uniformly damaging to the candidate Putin despised, Hillary Clinton. And by forcing her campaign to constantly respond to the daily drip of disclosures, the releases greatly benefited Donald Trump's campaign.

None of these facts is seriously in question. And they're reflected in the consensus conclusion of our intelligence agencies.

We will never know whether the Russian intervention was determinative in such a close election. Indeed, it is unknowable in a campaign to which so many small changes could have dictated a different result. More importantly, and for the purposes of our investigation, it simply does not matter.

What does matter is this, the Russians successfully meddled in our democracy and our intelligence agencies have concluded they will do so again. Ours is not the first democracy to be attacked by the Russians in this way. Russian intelligence has been simile interfering in the internal and political affairs of our European and other allies for decades.


SCHIFF: What is striking here is the degree to which the Russians were willing to undertake such an audacious and risky action against the most powerful nation on Earth. That ought to be a warning to us that if we thought that the Russians would not dare to so blatantly interfere in our affairs, we were wrong.

And if we do not do our very best to understand how the Russians accomplished this unprecedented attack on our democracy and what we need to do to protect ourselves in the future, we will only have ourselves to blame.

We know a lot about the Russian operation, about the way they amplified the damage their hacking and dumping of stolen documents was causing through the use of slick propaganda like R.T., the Kremlin's media arm. But there is a lot we don't know.

Full transcript: FBI Director James Comey testifies on Russian interference in 2016 election

Most important, we do not yet know whether the Russians have the help of U.S. citizens including people associated with the Trump campaign. Many of the Trump's campaign personnel, including the president himself, have ties to Russia and Russian interests. This is of course no crime. On the other hand, if the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it aided or abetted the Russians, it would not only be a serious crime, it would also represent one of the most shocking betrayals of democracy in history."

 

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Trump White House has taken little action to stop next election hack



The Trump administration has taken little meaningful action to prevent Russian hacking, leaking and disruption in the next national election in 2018, despite warnings from intelligence officials that it will happen again, officials and experts told NBC News.


"This attack is really the political equivalent of 9/11 — it is deadly, deadly serious," said Michael Vickers, a career intelligence official who was the Pentagon's top intelligence official in the Obama administration. "The Russians will definitely be back, given the success they had…I don't see much evidence of a response."

According to recent Congressional testimony, Trump has shown no interest in the question of how to prevent future election interference by Russia...