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You can find links for all of this stuff everywhere, but I am going to keep it simple:
Thursday, 06 August 2015 - 1st GOP nomination debate: Megyn Kelly asks Trump a question about misogynistic statements he has made. Trump fires back. On TV.
Following the debate, one of Frank Luntz's survey groups, a group of Republicans, responds very negatively to Trump. Luntz reports the results of the groups' impressions of Trump following the debate.
Trump and one of his attorneys, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, like, starting around 3 in the morning, tweet nasty things about Megyn Kelly and Frank Luntz.
Friday, 07 August, 2015 - Trump goes on CNN and insinuates that Megyn Kelly acted that way toward him because she was on her period.
The meltdown begins.
Saturday, 08 August, 2015 - as a result, Erik Erikson, founder and leader of RED STATE, a strongly Conservative movement, based mostly in the deep South, disinvites Trump to it's function that evening and invites Megyn Kelly in his place. Trump then tears into Erik Erikson, who himself has some problems with his own misogyny, but is a stalwart Conservative.
At about 1 PM on Saturday, Roger Stone, Trump's campaign advisor (a war-worn veteran of political battles for the GOP all the way back to the days of Nixon) quits the Trump campaign. He does this in a letter to Politico and announces it on a FOX station. Trump then announces that he fired Stone. One of those two gentlemen is lying. Only, Stone announced it first, so it is very likely that his version of events is the true version.
Sources Roger Stone quit wasn t fired by Donald Trump in campaign shakeup - Marc Caputo - POLITICO
This part of the Politico link to Stone's leaving the campaign is the key part:
You really need to read the entire quote from above. It is most enlightening.
So, within 48 hours time, Donald Trump managed to ruin relations to at least four very well known and influential Conservatives:
Megyn Kelly - FOX anchor
Frank Luntz - GOP pollster, strongly Conservative
Erik Erikson - founder: RED STATE
Roger Stone, Trump's own campaign advisor, Conservative political operative all the way since the Nixon era.
Of the other 9 GOPers who were on the stage on Thursday, all but Ted Cruz have denounced what Trump did with Megyn Kelly.
So, the question is simple: how can you win if you are alienating your own team?
Now, Conservatives, take a moment and think long and hard about that one. Instead of getting mad and firing back with lots of poo, really think this time.
At some point in time, the old red-herring that "they are all actually RINOs" won't play anymore.
We have seen the wheels fall off of campaigns before in history: Hart in 88, for example. Dean in '04. McGovern's national campaign in '72. There are warning signs that appear when a campaign is kipping-over.
Wait and see. Trump has lots of fortitude, he may survive this, or he may not.
You thoughts?
Thursday, 06 August 2015 - 1st GOP nomination debate: Megyn Kelly asks Trump a question about misogynistic statements he has made. Trump fires back. On TV.
Following the debate, one of Frank Luntz's survey groups, a group of Republicans, responds very negatively to Trump. Luntz reports the results of the groups' impressions of Trump following the debate.
Trump and one of his attorneys, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, like, starting around 3 in the morning, tweet nasty things about Megyn Kelly and Frank Luntz.
Friday, 07 August, 2015 - Trump goes on CNN and insinuates that Megyn Kelly acted that way toward him because she was on her period.
The meltdown begins.
Saturday, 08 August, 2015 - as a result, Erik Erikson, founder and leader of RED STATE, a strongly Conservative movement, based mostly in the deep South, disinvites Trump to it's function that evening and invites Megyn Kelly in his place. Trump then tears into Erik Erikson, who himself has some problems with his own misogyny, but is a stalwart Conservative.
At about 1 PM on Saturday, Roger Stone, Trump's campaign advisor (a war-worn veteran of political battles for the GOP all the way back to the days of Nixon) quits the Trump campaign. He does this in a letter to Politico and announces it on a FOX station. Trump then announces that he fired Stone. One of those two gentlemen is lying. Only, Stone announced it first, so it is very likely that his version of events is the true version.
Sources Roger Stone quit wasn t fired by Donald Trump in campaign shakeup - Marc Caputo - POLITICO
This part of the Politico link to Stone's leaving the campaign is the key part:
The next morning, Stone had to fight Trump’s handlers to meet with him for 15 minutes, prompting the following exchange that both of Stone’s friends, independently and separately, tell POLITICO what happened:
Stone: “Donald, stop with the Megyn Kelly shit. It’s fucking crazy. It’s killing us.”
Trump: “What do you mean? I won the debate. People loved it.”
Stone: “You didn’t win the debate.”
Trump: “Yes I did. Look at the polling. Look at Drudge.”
Stone: “The Drudge Report poll isn’t a scientific poll. You won’t give me the money to pay for a scientific poll. And you’re off-message.”
Trump: “There are other polls.”
Stone: “Those are bullshit polls, Donald. They’re not scientific polls. We need to run a professional campaign and talk about what people really care about.”
Trump: “We’re winning.”
After the meeting, Trump did the opposite of what Stone had recommended by going on CNN and trashing Kelly. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her — wherever,” Trump said, a comment perceived by many to be a reference to a woman’s menstrual cycle. Trump’s campaign later denied that interpretation, but by then Stone was consulting his friends about quitting.
“He is losing his grip on reality,” Stone told them. “He has these yes-men around him. And now he’s living in a parallel world.”
You really need to read the entire quote from above. It is most enlightening.
So, within 48 hours time, Donald Trump managed to ruin relations to at least four very well known and influential Conservatives:
Megyn Kelly - FOX anchor
Frank Luntz - GOP pollster, strongly Conservative
Erik Erikson - founder: RED STATE
Roger Stone, Trump's own campaign advisor, Conservative political operative all the way since the Nixon era.
Of the other 9 GOPers who were on the stage on Thursday, all but Ted Cruz have denounced what Trump did with Megyn Kelly.
So, the question is simple: how can you win if you are alienating your own team?
Now, Conservatives, take a moment and think long and hard about that one. Instead of getting mad and firing back with lots of poo, really think this time.
At some point in time, the old red-herring that "they are all actually RINOs" won't play anymore.
We have seen the wheels fall off of campaigns before in history: Hart in 88, for example. Dean in '04. McGovern's national campaign in '72. There are warning signs that appear when a campaign is kipping-over.
Wait and see. Trump has lots of fortitude, he may survive this, or he may not.
You thoughts?