Trump mental health disaster

[pknopp]

It's really not a huge hassle to carry many smaller capacity ones.

I don't understand the idea of thinking we solved anything because 20 people were killed as opposed to 23.

The idea should be to intervene before it gets that far.

Potentially saving 3 lives isn't worth it?? I don't understand that logic?

Yes you do.

No, I don't. To me, saving 3 lives makes it worth the effort. Would it be worth the effort to you if one of those three lives saved is yours?

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

 

[Disir]

1. President Donald Trump deflected the blame for the massacres away from firearm access, saying, “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.”


2.Trump has taken repeated action during his presidency to restrict Americans’ access to health care, including mental health care.

3.
Trump Blames Shootings on Mental Illness. But He’s Spent the Past 2 Years Trying to Cut Access to Health Coverage.


4.The Trump administration has worked to roll back the ACA and insurance regulation, moving in the direction of less coverage of mental health, not more.


5.
The Obama rule that Trump nullified had added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had that rule taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added 75,000 names to the national background check database.

ACA was about insurance. Not about health care. You think those little free screenings accomplished anything? Guess again.

Texas did not expand medicaid. In 2014, Elliot Rogers' parents had been trying to get him inpatient but had been denied. Medicaid had been expanded in California in 2013. It was also expanded in 2013 in Colorado. Ohio has always sucked when it comes to mental health care.

This is the situation. There are 535 members of congress. There are 50 states and each has their own legislature. Then there are county governments and city governments. Beds have been shutting down for years and state mental hospitals have closed. Even so, you have a very strict criteria to even get a bed........should one exist. And do you know why? There is no profit to be made.

Therefore, you are called up on to make a choice. You can either continue on the course you are on, spending money on USAID, sending checks to countries to keep their own citizens because you don't want to deal with the US exploiting them, non stop immigration to lower the wages in the US, picking up the tab for the world, etc. and so on.............or you get your fucking shit together and address the mental health crisis in the US.

The ball is in your fucking court.

 

[joaquinmiller]

I know for a fact, that crazy people were let out under Carter, because next thing you knew, during holloween kids started having razor blades and needles in their candy. Since then, we have seen more and more, show up and half of Congress is bat shit crazy, most wore white in the President Address.

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) is the statute that repealed President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act which was supposed to continue federal funding for mental health programs. Reagan gave the appearance of making a consequentialist ethical decision because he presented his repeal of OBRA as an action that would best serve American society and do more good than harm as a result. The OBRA gave mental patients a choice to seek treatment outside of a mental institution, an option to seek treatment at clinics at the state level, and the freedom to administer their own medication (PSY533, 2017) (Pan, 2013). However, Reagan was hasty in taking unsound advice to repeal OBRA because his real motive was to cut the federal budget (Roberts, 2013). He was a leader who “never exhibited any interest in the need for research or better treatment for serious mental illness” (Torrey, 2017).

U01: Ronald Reagan and the Federal Deinstitutionalization of Mentally Ill Patients | PSY 833: Ethics and Leadership (Wheeler)

Jesus H.

When Carter allowed people to walk free amongst US, then there were empty beds in the crazy hospitals, so why keep them open and waste money? You know pay for something that isnt needed, which you Dimwitocraps have no problem doing. So he closed the insane asylums and now in the last presidents admin put the Dept of Homeland Security HQ in the crazy persons building in Washington DC. Quite appropriate for a government agency.

St. Elizabeths DHS consolidation plan: Where do we go from here? | Federal News Network

Sitting at a plywood desk in what would become his successors’ personal office, former Homeland Security Department Secretary Jeh Johnson uncovered a secret: the future DHS headquarters at the St. Elizabeths Hospital Campus in Southeast Washington was the perfect place to take in the nation’s capital.

St. Elizabeths Hospital - Wikipedia

St. Elizabeths Hospital is a psychiatric hospital in Southeast Washington, D.C. It opened in 1855 as the first federally operated psychiatric hospital in the United States. Housing over 8,000 patients at its peak in the 1950s, the hospital had a fully functioning medical-surgical unit, a school of nursing, accredited internships and psychiatric residencies.[4] Its campus was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1990.[3]

A crazy person always wants the security they need, and this move by Obama's head of the DOH proves it. Liberalism is a mental illness.

LOLOL

And yet, you're the crazy person who actually has that completely backwards. It was Carter who signed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 into law, provided federal funds for such asylums. And it was Reagan who repealed most of it.

Evidence isn't accepted. It gets in the way of making up their own truth.

 

[Faun]

Potentially saving 3 lives isn't worth it?? I don't understand that logic?

Yes you do.

No, I don't. To me, saving 3 lives makes it worth the effort. Would it be worth the effort to you if one of those three lives saved is yours?

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying do everything possible to save lives.

 

[pknopp]

Yes you do.

No, I don't. To me, saving 3 lives makes it worth the effort. Would it be worth the effort to you if one of those three lives saved is yours?

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying do everything possible to save lives.

We could argue that curtailing free speech could save lives. Should we start going there? What other rights should we look at beyond that?

 

[SweetSue92]

I wish I could stress even more than I do what an utter wasteland our schools are right now on discipline. Absolutely it is partially our fault. And absolutely we have "caved" to the culture-at-large, where permissive parenting and distrust of all school personnel really make all the decisions.

You don't really want to know how many Nikolas Cruz types are in the pipelines, getting passed around from school to school, referral to referral, program to program.

No one wants to think about that--believe me

I totally agree with your problem of schools. Back in the day, God was respected in schools by a prayer to God, not any specific one, but we were also taught that if you did wrong you would have to pay for your actions in Hell. Today, they dont teach right from wrong, or good vs evil, they teach 50 shades of grey.

It's an old saw but actually true too: if I would have been in trouble at school it wouldn't have come CLOSE to what I rec'd at home. Whatever the teacher doled out, my parents would have matched--at least. They didn't even love all my teachers but that did not matter. My job was to learn and obey.

Those days are gone. Now, many times, if the child gets in trouble guess who is called on the carpet? The teacher. That is not to say teachers are perfect (we're not) but many times there's no quarter given. Parents do not understand or appreciate the long-term damage this does. As a teacher I'm not bothered by this for the pain it is FOR ME--whatever, I've been doing this a long time, I can deal with it.

It is horrible for our SOCIETY. And we see it now all around us.

You’re a teacher? You don’t even write proper sentences. Your grammar and syntax suggest English is your second language.

Sweetheart, message boards are informal writing, somewhere between texting and formal writing. Please. I was not an English major but rest assured I did very well in all my language arts classes.

Leftist go for personal attacks, btw, because they are losing in every single other venue and area of politics.

Calling out liars and lies isn’t a “personal attack”. You brought up the idea that you’re a teacher.

You’re not writing “casually” either. Grammar and sentence structure aren’t things you “put on” for formal discussions and abandon everything you’ve been taught in casual conversation.

Yeah go to the Education forum and see how often I post there. Do not project your personal failings on me.

 

[Faun]

No, I don't. To me, saving 3 lives makes it worth the effort. Would it be worth the effort to you if one of those three lives saved is yours?

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying do everything possible to save lives.

We could argue that curtailing free speech could save lives. Should we start going there? What other rights should we look at beyond that?

I'm not suggesting we curtail anyone's rights.

 

[pknopp]

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying do everything possible to save lives.

We could argue that curtailing free speech could save lives. Should we start going there? What other rights should we look at beyond that?

I'm not suggesting we curtail anyone's rights.

And yet you are.

 

[Faun]

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

I'm stating we need to look at the most important step. It will make a difference. You aren't going to stop people intent on killing from killing. You have to stop it from getting that far.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying do everything possible to save lives.

We could argue that curtailing free speech could save lives. Should we start going there? What other rights should we look at beyond that?

I'm not suggesting we curtail anyone's rights.

And yet you are.

Oh? What right am I advocating against?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

1. President Donald Trump deflected the blame for the massacres away from firearm access, saying, “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.”


2.Trump has taken repeated action during his presidency to restrict Americans’ access to health care, including mental health care.

3.
Trump Blames Shootings on Mental Illness. But He’s Spent the Past 2 Years Trying to Cut Access to Health Coverage.


4.The Trump administration has worked to roll back the ACA and insurance regulation, moving in the direction of less coverage of mental health, not more.


5.
The Obama rule that Trump nullified had added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had that rule taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added 75,000 names to the national background check database.

Yeah, and if Obama hadn't fucked with the school system about profiling, those in Broward County would still be alive. Amazing how those on the left, deny the fact that over this last weekend 7 people died in Chicago and another 39 were injured. Why dont we hear about those? Because it is black on black, and doesnt fit the liberal narrative. Thanks for playing. There is a cancer in the world, it is called Liberalism, and until it is removed from society, it will continue to kill people.

At least 46 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend, including seven who were killed

I wish I could stress even more than I do what an utter wasteland our schools are right now on discipline. Absolutely it is partially our fault. And absolutely we have "caved" to the culture-at-large, where permissive parenting and distrust of all school personnel really make all the decisions.

You don't really want to know how many Nikolas Cruz types are in the pipelines, getting passed around from school to school, referral to referral, program to program.

No one wants to think about that--believe me

I totally agree with your problem of schools. Back in the day, God was respected in schools by a prayer to God, not any specific one, but we were also taught that if you did wrong you would have to pay for your actions in Hell. Today, they dont teach right from wrong, or good vs evil, they teach 50 shades of grey.

It's an old saw but actually true too: if I would have been in trouble at school it wouldn't have come CLOSE to what I rec'd at home. Whatever the teacher doled out, my parents would have matched--at least. They didn't even love all my teachers but that did not matter. My job was to learn and obey.

Those days are gone. Now, many times, if the child gets in trouble guess who is called on the carpet? The teacher. That is not to say teachers are perfect (we're not) but many times there's no quarter given. Parents do not understand or appreciate the long-term damage this does. As a teacher I'm not bothered by this for the pain it is FOR ME--whatever, I've been doing this a long time, I can deal with it.

It is horrible for our SOCIETY. And we see it now all around us.

I know the feeling, I used to hate being in trouble, because when I got home, I would get a 1inch belt across the back of my legs. After a few lashes, I never thought about doing the bad thing again. Today, we have time outs and take aways, but those just seem to make things much worse.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I know for a fact, that crazy people were let out under Carter, because next thing you knew, during holloween kids started having razor blades and needles in their candy. Since then, we have seen more and more, show up and half of Congress is bat shit crazy, most wore white in the President Address.

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) is the statute that repealed President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act which was supposed to continue federal funding for mental health programs. Reagan gave the appearance of making a consequentialist ethical decision because he presented his repeal of OBRA as an action that would best serve American society and do more good than harm as a result. The OBRA gave mental patients a choice to seek treatment outside of a mental institution, an option to seek treatment at clinics at the state level, and the freedom to administer their own medication (PSY533, 2017) (Pan, 2013). However, Reagan was hasty in taking unsound advice to repeal OBRA because his real motive was to cut the federal budget (Roberts, 2013). He was a leader who “never exhibited any interest in the need for research or better treatment for serious mental illness” (Torrey, 2017).

U01: Ronald Reagan and the Federal Deinstitutionalization of Mentally Ill Patients | PSY 833: Ethics and Leadership (Wheeler)

Jesus H.

When Carter allowed people to walk free amongst US, then there were empty beds in the crazy hospitals, so why keep them open and waste money? You know pay for something that isnt needed, which you Dimwitocraps have no problem doing. So he closed the insane asylums and now in the last presidents admin put the Dept of Homeland Security HQ in the crazy persons building in Washington DC. Quite appropriate for a government agency.

St. Elizabeths DHS consolidation plan: Where do we go from here? | Federal News Network

Sitting at a plywood desk in what would become his successors’ personal office, former Homeland Security Department Secretary Jeh Johnson uncovered a secret: the future DHS headquarters at the St. Elizabeths Hospital Campus in Southeast Washington was the perfect place to take in the nation’s capital.

St. Elizabeths Hospital - Wikipedia

St. Elizabeths Hospital is a psychiatric hospital in Southeast Washington, D.C. It opened in 1855 as the first federally operated psychiatric hospital in the United States. Housing over 8,000 patients at its peak in the 1950s, the hospital had a fully functioning medical-surgical unit, a school of nursing, accredited internships and psychiatric residencies.[4] Its campus was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1990.[3]

A crazy person always wants the security they need, and this move by Obama's head of the DOH proves it. Liberalism is a mental illness.

LOLOL

And yet, you're the crazy person who actually has that completely backwards. It was Carter who signed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 into law, provided federal funds for such asylums. And it was Reagan who repealed most of it.

No, it was to allow mentally ill patients to be amongst the people, because it was very cruel to keep them locked up. Someone had to pay to make sure their loved ones were taken care of. And it was the tax payers. Again, I was there when the crazies started hurting children, you can keep your head up your ass all you want, that is what you guys do best.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

“Trump Blames Shootings on Mental Illness. But He’s Spent the Past 2 Years Trying to Cut Access to Health Coverage.”

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

They can’t blame ‘mental illness’ for gun violence yet deny citizens access to affordable mental healthcare.

You guys are such retards.. Mentally ill people dont need affordable healthcare they need a place that keeps them from harming themselves and others. Get rid of the 33 million people who arent supposed to be here, take that money and create those safe places for the crazies, and the problem is solved.

Up to 33 million now. 40 million next month?

Nobody knows the real amount in the US not even this government. President Trump with the 2020 census could get a real count, but you leftards are against that. Is it because I am close to the real amount? Dumbass twit.

Yale Professor: '22.8 Million Undocumented' Aliens Live in America—Double Official Estimates | National Economics Editorial

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The sad fact is we will never be able to stop these nut jobs...

The best we can hope for is for friends or family members to

report any signs that one of these nut jobs might go off...

Even then the way the laws exist, they are likely not to be stopped.

More gun laws will only effect the law abiding.

There is no doubt that one of the lefts main goals is to disarm the American people.

Out of my cold dead hands.........

That's true, we can't stop them. But we can try to make it more difficult for them to kill so many people so quickly. Such as the states that banned large capacity magazines.

Can you ban large Box Trucks, which killed many people in France?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It's really not a huge hassle to carry many smaller capacity ones.

I don't understand the idea of thinking we solved anything because 20 people were killed as opposed to 23.

The idea should be to intervene before it gets that far.

Potentially saving 3 lives isn't worth it?? I don't understand that logic?

Yes you do.

No, I don't. To me, saving 3 lives makes it worth the effort. Would it be worth the effort to you if one of those three lives saved is yours?

No, it really wouldn't because I would know that those left behind still can not fully access the better option.

Addressing the growing mental health problem.

The goal should not be saving three. The goal should be I saving 23. We don't even have any idea whether or not any restrictions would save even one.

We do know that if we can intervene before the act, all would live.

I never said limiting magazine capacity is the only action we should take. The more steps we take, the more lives we can potentially save. I just don't understand the logic that we should ignore some steps if it means we might only save a few lives.

Do you think stopping abortions would save more lives?

 

[pknopp]

“Trump Blames Shootings on Mental Illness. But He’s Spent the Past 2 Years Trying to Cut Access to Health Coverage.”

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

They can’t blame ‘mental illness’ for gun violence yet deny citizens access to affordable mental healthcare.

You guys are such retards.. Mentally ill people dont need affordable healthcare they need a place that keeps them from harming themselves and others. Get rid of the 33 million people who arent supposed to be here, take that money and create those safe places for the crazies, and the problem is solved.

Up to 33 million now. 40 million next month?

Nobody knows the real amount in the US not even this government. President Trump with the 2020 census could get a real count, but you leftards are against that. Is it because I am close to the real amount? Dumbass twit.

Yale Professor: '22.8 Million Undocumented' Aliens Live in America—Double Official Estimates | National Economics Editorial

No he couldn't get a real count but he could have added it to the census if they hadn't lied about it to the Supreme Court.

 

[mudwhistle]

1. President Donald Trump deflected the blame for the massacres away from firearm access, saying, “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.”


2.Trump has taken repeated action during his presidency to restrict Americans’ access to health care, including mental health care.

3.
Trump Blames Shootings on Mental Illness. But He’s Spent the Past 2 Years Trying to Cut Access to Health Coverage.


4.The Trump administration has worked to roll back the ACA and insurance regulation, moving in the direction of less coverage of mental health, not more.


5.
The Obama rule that Trump nullified had added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had that rule taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added 75,000 names to the national background check database.

Sometimes the truth sounds crazy.....but right now we're faced with people who act crazy every chance they get.

If that debate wasn't evidence enough....

 

[LaDairis]

Democrat definition of mental illness = failure to vote Dem

Republican definition of mental illness = asking for a photo of "Osama" in Saudi

 

[pknopp]

Democrat definition of mental illness = failure to vote Dem

Republican definition of mental illness = asking for a photo of "Osama" in Saudi

People are dead and you feel this is a valid remark?

 

[LaDairis]

People are dead and you feel this is a valid remark?

Sorry, I should just scream out MORE GUN CONTROL and salute....






There, are you happy now?

 

[pknopp]

People are dead and you feel this is a valid remark?

Sorry, I should just scream out MORE GUN CONTROL and salute....



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There, are you happy now?

No. That has nothing to do with what I said. At least many of those who do support gun control believe in what they are arguing and can make an adult argument.