Trump promises much worse than water boarding...torture?

[bodecea]

Then you don't really have a point. First you say waterboarding them will cause them to torture us, then you acknowledge they will do it even if we DON'T. If you have a problem with waterboarding, fine, but the bogus argument you're presenting doesn't cut it.

You really dont understand this point? WtF?

You want to give our soldiers the best chance they can get to avoid being tortured if captured? Its a chance you are giving them. Not a fucking guarantee.

How come the military has laws against torture? You think they love their enemies. Is that it? NO.

the military brass opposes torture because they want to give their soldiers the best chance they can to survive if captured Does it always work? Fuck no.
Do we punish people we catch who tortured Americans? You could ask them but we killed them.

But nothing works always now does it?
If we torture, there is no chance that our soldiers will not be tortured.

If you aint smart enough to understand that, I dont know what else to tell ya.

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.

false.

nope its 100% true. ISIS is going to behead, burn alive, rape, stone, and defile any person who does not subscribe to their radical Islamic beliefs. Whether we use enhanced interrogation techniques (which have never killed anyone) or not will have no affect on these savages. The only thing that will stop them is to blow them into tiny pieces.

YAY! Be like ISIS!

 

[bodecea]

It seems the non-combatant bleeding hearts who claim the moral high road are always perfectly fine with murdering unborn and just born children. Such high character.

not the bullshit baby killer ploy again ..

if the shoe fits----------------------you libs think nothing of killing unborn human beings, even up to the point of natural birth, but you whine and pout if anyone dares to discussing squirting water up the nose of a murdering terrorist who wants to kill YOU.

The liberal mind does not qualify to be called a brain, it is a collection of cells controlled by a defective liberal gene.

says Cinderella's step sister.
the baby killer ploy just highlights how desperate you slapdicks are, it's the triple dog dare of the paranoid right.

Are you claiming that you libs and dems do not support abortion on demand up until the moment of birth? That's what Hillary supports, if you support her then you also support the murder of unborn human beings.

I see you support torture.

 

[daws101]

No one called today's military a bunch of cowards. I inferred that were you and I to be in the same platoon, I would simply take you out first before I took on the enemy soldiers. I would protect my back.

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


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I hate to state the obvious but thb is mental.

 

[the_human_being]

It seems the non-combatant bleeding hearts who claim the moral high road are always perfectly fine with murdering unborn and just born children. Such high character.

It was only a matter of time before you would abandon your untenable position on the thread topic and slither off to another non-related topic.

I do tire of talking to cowards.

 

[the_human_being]

No one called today's military a bunch of cowards. I inferred that were you and I to be in the same platoon, I would simply take you out first before I took on the enemy soldiers. I would protect my back.

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


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You were a desk jockey no doubt. The keyword here is career. Most guys with any sense get the hell out. They don't seek a gravy train for life.

 

[bodecea]

No one called today's military a bunch of cowards. I inferred that were you and I to be in the same platoon, I would simply take you out first before I took on the enemy soldiers. I would protect my back.

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


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"Many a blanket party thought".

 

[bodecea]

It seems the non-combatant bleeding hearts who claim the moral high road are always perfectly fine with murdering unborn and just born children. Such high character.

It was only a matter of time before you would abandon your untenable position on the thread topic and slither off to another non-related topic.

I do tire of talking to cowards.

Have you thought of removing the mirrors in your trailer?

 

[the_human_being]

And you accuse others of binary thinking

Binary thinking if I don't accept that there are conditions. Maybe we just disagree on where that line is....or is going to remain if it is drawn.

I never said there wouldn't be conditions that was all you

Where did I says there would not be conditions?

isn't there always conditions?

And that's the line that moves.

Is that the line Obama drew in the sand?

 

[Redfish]

Then you don't really have a point. First you say waterboarding them will cause them to torture us, then you acknowledge they will do it even if we DON'T. If you have a problem with waterboarding, fine, but the bogus argument you're presenting doesn't cut it.

You really dont understand this point? WtF?

You want to give our soldiers the best chance they can get to avoid being tortured if captured? Its a chance you are giving them. Not a fucking guarantee.

How come the military has laws against torture? You think they love their enemies. Is that it? NO.

the military brass opposes torture because they want to give their soldiers the best chance they can to survive if captured Does it always work? Fuck no.
Do we punish people we catch who tortured Americans? You could ask them but we killed them.

But nothing works always now does it?
If we torture, there is no chance that our soldiers will not be tortured.

If you aint smart enough to understand that, I dont know what else to tell ya.

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.

false.

nope its 100% true. ISIS is going to behead, burn alive, rape, stone, and defile any person who does not subscribe to their radical Islamic beliefs. Whether we use enhanced interrogation techniques (which have never killed anyone) or not will have no affect on these savages. The only thing that will stop them is to blow them into tiny pieces.

what post are you reading ? more to the point what part of what post are you reading?

this one

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.


the one that you said was false

 

[bodecea]

No one called today's military a bunch of cowards. I inferred that were you and I to be in the same platoon, I would simply take you out first before I took on the enemy soldiers. I would protect my back.

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


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You were a desk jockey no doubt. The keyword here is career. Most guys with any sense get the hell out. They don't seek a gravy train for life.

Check this out...what this poster thinks of those who serve their country for a career.

 

[Redfish]

It seems the non-combatant bleeding hearts who claim the moral high road are always perfectly fine with murdering unborn and just born children. Such high character.

not the bullshit baby killer ploy again ..

if the shoe fits----------------------you libs think nothing of killing unborn human beings, even up to the point of natural birth, but you whine and pout if anyone dares to discussing squirting water up the nose of a murdering terrorist who wants to kill YOU.

The liberal mind does not qualify to be called a brain, it is a collection of cells controlled by a defective liberal gene.

says Cinderella's step sister.
the baby killer ploy just highlights how desperate you slapdicks are, it's the triple dog dare of the paranoid right.

Are you claiming that you libs and dems do not support abortion on demand up until the moment of birth? That's what Hillary supports, if you support her then you also support the murder of unborn human beings.

when conservatives stop having abortions maybe that will mean something ,until then it means jack shit.

Which conservatives support abortion on demand?


Which GOP candidates support the kinds of abortion that Hillary supports?

you attempt at deflection fails.

 

[Political Junky]

Torture shouldn't be only to get information. It should be done to make an example of what happens to enemies.

Obviously it doesn't work.

 

[bodecea]

You really dont understand this point? WtF?

You want to give our soldiers the best chance they can get to avoid being tortured if captured? Its a chance you are giving them. Not a fucking guarantee.

How come the military has laws against torture? You think they love their enemies. Is that it? NO.

the military brass opposes torture because they want to give their soldiers the best chance they can to survive if captured Does it always work? Fuck no.
Do we punish people we catch who tortured Americans? You could ask them but we killed them.

But nothing works always now does it?
If we torture, there is no chance that our soldiers will not be tortured.

If you aint smart enough to understand that, I dont know what else to tell ya.

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.

false.

nope its 100% true. ISIS is going to behead, burn alive, rape, stone, and defile any person who does not subscribe to their radical Islamic beliefs. Whether we use enhanced interrogation techniques (which have never killed anyone) or not will have no affect on these savages. The only thing that will stop them is to blow them into tiny pieces.

what post are you reading ? more to the point what part of what post are you reading?

this one

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.


the one that you said was false

So we blissfully follow ISIS and their "rules". Obviously that's why we followed the Nazis' "rules"...that's why we followed the Japanese' "rules"...that's why we followed the VC's "rules".

 

[the_human_being]

No one called today's military a bunch of cowards. I inferred that were you and I to be in the same platoon, I would simply take you out first before I took on the enemy soldiers. I would protect my back.

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You were a desk jockey no doubt. The keyword here is career. Most guys with any sense get the hell out. They don't seek a gravy train for life.

Check this out...what this poster thinks of those who serve their country for a career.

Being in the military for 20 to 30 years is little different than working for a company for thirty years. Most of these guys get up in the morning and go to work and come home again in the afternoon. There's not a thing special about them. The guys you should respect are those who go off to combat and either don't return or come back maimed. I realize though that you have no respect for those guys and deem them to be murderers.

 

[the_human_being]

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.

false.

nope its 100% true. ISIS is going to behead, burn alive, rape, stone, and defile any person who does not subscribe to their radical Islamic beliefs. Whether we use enhanced interrogation techniques (which have never killed anyone) or not will have no affect on these savages. The only thing that will stop them is to blow them into tiny pieces.

what post are you reading ? more to the point what part of what post are you reading?

this one

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.


the one that you said was false

So we blissfully follow ISIS and their "rules". Obviously that's why we followed the Nazis' "rules"...that's why we followed the Japanese' "rules"...that's why we followed the VC's "rules".

Actually, YOU'RE not going to do anything at all. YOU never have.

 

[Redfish]

Torture shouldn't be only to get information. It should be done to make an example of what happens to enemies.

Obviously it doesn't work.

whats missing in this discussion is the definition of torture.

My definition of torture: an act that inflicts extreme pain and results in permanent physical or mental damage to the person tortured. Waterboarding is not torture. McCain was tortured in viet nam. He has permanent physical damage.

 

[bodecea]

not the bullshit baby killer ploy again ..

if the shoe fits----------------------you libs think nothing of killing unborn human beings, even up to the point of natural birth, but you whine and pout if anyone dares to discussing squirting water up the nose of a murdering terrorist who wants to kill YOU.

The liberal mind does not qualify to be called a brain, it is a collection of cells controlled by a defective liberal gene.

says Cinderella's step sister.
the baby killer ploy just highlights how desperate you slapdicks are, it's the triple dog dare of the paranoid right.

Are you claiming that you libs and dems do not support abortion on demand up until the moment of birth? That's what Hillary supports, if you support her then you also support the murder of unborn human beings.

when conservatives stop having abortions maybe that will mean something ,until then it means jack shit.

Which conservatives support abortion on demand?


Which GOP candidates support the kinds of abortion that Hillary supports?

you attempt at deflection fails.

You support torture. (Simply redirected the conversation back on topic.)

 

[bodecea]

false.

nope its 100% true. ISIS is going to behead, burn alive, rape, stone, and defile any person who does not subscribe to their radical Islamic beliefs. Whether we use enhanced interrogation techniques (which have never killed anyone) or not will have no affect on these savages. The only thing that will stop them is to blow them into tiny pieces.

what post are you reading ? more to the point what part of what post are you reading?

this one

Oh, I understand it alright. It's just not valid because anyone ISIS captures is gonna be tortured (no 'maybe' to it), so your idea that they might not do it if we don't is stupid. You're the one who doesn't understand. If the enemy knows they won't be tortured if captured, why should they fear us, and why should they think twice about torturing us every chance they get? The only way to defeat them is to illustrate that we are willing to respond to their brutality with greater brutality. Make the price they have to pay for their terror too high The rules are set by the aggressor. You don't seem to grasp that.


the one that you said was false

So we blissfully follow ISIS and their "rules". Obviously that's why we followed the Nazis' "rules"...that's why we followed the Japanese' "rules"...that's why we followed the VC's "rules".

Actually, YOU'RE not going to do anything at all. YOU never have.

^Blissfully follows ISIS and supports their "rules".

 

[bodecea]

Torture shouldn't be only to get information. It should be done to make an example of what happens to enemies.

Obviously it doesn't work.

whats missing in this discussion is the definition of torture.

My definition of torture: an act that inflicts extreme pain and results in permanent physical or mental damage to the person tortured. Waterboarding is not torture. McCain was tortured in viet nam. He has permanent physical damage.

Where are your credentials to make such a determination?

 

[bodecea]

You would take out a member of your own platoon before the enemy? What fucking Army were you in asshole? Al Queda?

Fucking idiot.

If he was a threat to me, of course. Are you so stupid you don't think it has ever been done?

Never saw it in my career asshole
27 years active duty
Many a blanket party thought
Many a fight
Never had a murderer I the ranks
Fucking idiot


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You were a desk jockey no doubt. The keyword here is career. Most guys with any sense get the hell out. They don't seek a gravy train for life.

Check this out...what this poster thinks of those who serve their country for a career.

Being in the military for 20 to 30 years is little different than working for a company for thirty years. Most of these guys get up in the morning and go to work and come home again in the afternoon. There's not a thing special about them. The guys you should respect are those who go off to combat and either don't return or come back maimed. I realize though that you have no respect for those guys and deem them to be murderers.

Noticing how your TRUE FEELINGS about our military and our veterans are coming out now.