Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[Billy_Bob]

Then you are doing exactly what I'm telling you. China is doing everything they can to improve their land, air, sea and the emissions output long before 2030. They signed with the accord to show the world that they are part of a good movement for the sake of one planet.
For you and Trump or anybody to say China is not doing anything till 2030 is pure idiotic.

And STOP cutting my post to fit your nonsense agenda.

Specifically what is China required to do prior to 2030. For that matter, what are they REQUIRED to do after 2030?

If they're doing something now, what purpose is the accord?

NOTHING... this was all voluntary... so they don't have to do squat.. now or then...

Really? How do you know that?

Explain.

Read the dam treaty... Your just an ignorant dupe... Keep your head in your ass..

 

[toobfreak]

Fact is Americans are getting jobs because Obama lost his

Nonsense.

Then it must be that employment has gone way up and the stock market soaring in the past several months because everyone is relieved Hillary and the democrats are finally out of the White House!!!

Or maybe, finally, Obama's trickle down economics has finally kicked in--- --- he has finally made all HIS money and can now start letting the rest of the country make a little as well.

 

[toobfreak]

If you put a bag over her head and sanitize her, then I might still not want to pull into her in the first place!

 

[toobfreak]

We've always been visible in Syria and Iraq------

Can't argue with that! Under Obama, we have always been visible; here is the visible Obama Foreign Policy as seen through our enemy's eyes:

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fact is Americans are getting jobs because Obama lost his

Nonsense.

Then it must be that employment has gone way up and the stock market soaring in the past several months because everyone is relieved Hillary and the democrats are finally out of the White House!!!

Or maybe, finally, Obama's trickle down economics has finally kicked in--- --- he has finally made all HIS money and can now start letting the rest of the country make a little as well.

Report: Trump Rolls Back $60 Billion More in Regulatory Savings - Washington Free Beacon

 

[Markle]

And over 100 nations have ratified it....

So what?

No different than 100 welfare recipients "ratifying" something which requires them to do nothing but will receive benefits and checks from the one guy not in the agreement.

 

[Markle]

So what the hell is the difference treaty or not? it's about saving this planet.

It does nothing in the world like that. All it does is transfer trillions of our dollars to other nations. India doesn't have to do anything until someone deposits over $2 TRILLION in their coffers.

How is that accomplishing anything?

 

[charwin95]

You cannot prove your lies on the $380 billions and Germany $18 billions then double down by posting a worthless untrustworthy bias media national review. What a crap.

National Media: These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.

Right, because when you can't prove a story wrong, attack the source instead. Typical liberal strategy we see all the time.

So tell us, how much of our GDP would we have to pour into "green" under this agreement and how much money would that amount to? BTW, I never said anything about 380 billion or Germany.

What are you talking about dude?
Your buddy lied big time about the $380 billions and Germany's $18 billions. Then you supported his lies dude.

Then because of your desperation you posted a link from an asshole media. That's pathetic Ray.

No, that's not pathetic. What's pathetic is making a mistake and not admitting to it. That''s pathetic..........well.......I guess not for a leftist.

I never mentioned the$380 billions Ray your buddy did. You supported a big bullshit lie. That makes you a liar Ray. Sad very sad.

And what mistake did I make Ray? All my post are facts and I know what I'm talking about compared to you by keep blabbering nonsense all the way.

Oh, you didn't mention 380 billion and you didn't lie?

The best thing about telling the truth is never having to remember what you said.....like this just a few posts earlier:

So you cannot prove your $380 billions and Germany $18 billions. You lied and don't shit what you are taking about.
Why do you people lie? Like Trump.

You see, all you have to do is click the link that says "Click to expand" and it will bring up the entire conversation up to the last post. Now if you do that, you can clearly see you accused me of saying 380 billion when I didn't say shit about it. But of course you're not man enough to live up to your own mistakes. Typical lib.

You are dumber that I thought Ray. Aside from that you are also putting words in my mouth dude. How old are you?

The $380 billions and the $18 billions goes to Germany was a lie------- brought up by your friend that you supported. That makes you a liar.

What the fuck is wrong with you LIAR Ray?

 

[Markle]

You've got a lot to catch up.
Again and again ------- China's air, land and rivers are probably the most polluted country in this world. Smog alone is killing them.
They are not required to do anything before 2030 it's voluntary.
The 2030 was given to them to start doing something because that has something to do with their population and their current technology.
You cannot just cut off their coal industry leaving millions in the dark.
However they are not waiting for 2030 to do something. They scrap 103 coal plants, allocated $360 billions for reusable energy to be completed by 2020. There are lots of this going on in China trying to improve their land, air, rivers and sea.
Even the dirtiest country-------- China joined the accord as part of a global movement to save the planet.
Their goal after 2030 was to eliminate or phase out coal industry just like here in US.

China has stopped construction because they have a huge surplus of energy. Their infrastructure to deliver power to their billion plus citizens.

Of course, they signed up. It costs them nothing, gives them free reign to increase their pollution as fast as possible while costing their enemy trillions of dollars and crippling our industries. Yeah, that's a real tough decision. Meanwhile, the Chinese were rolling in the aisles laughing at how they so easily made a fool out of petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama. I say were rolling since President Donald Trump jerked the rug out from under them.

 

[charwin95]

I already posted what they currently doing Ray including $360 billions allocated to reusable energy before 2020.
Again they are doing a very big move to improved their air, land and sea environment as we speak. That also risking going to war to extract natural gas by building man made island in Sprately Island near Philippines.

Again you really don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about the 2030 tolerance Ray. They are choking to death.
I asked you this question repeatedly. What made you think China is not doing anything today to improve their atmosphere?
I even gave you an example of your house dude.

So far you have not answered any of my questions Ray. Why is that?

So what. Do you know how much we've spent in the past on pollution? Here is an article from 1990, no less from New York Communist Times, and here are some highlights from back then:

The United States devotes 2 percent of the total value of its annual output of goods and services to control pollution and to clean up the environment, an analysis by the Environmental Protection Agency has found. That is about the same as the most environmentally concerned European countries spend, agency officials said.

The nation spends nearly half as much to control pollution as it does to clothe itself and roughly a third of what it allocates to the military, according to the study, which the agency said was the first attempt to calculate the cost of pollution-control measures. The study was prepared for Congress and is now circulating within the Government in draft form.

Agency officials say that except for the Netherlands, no other country is likely to devote a bigger share of wealth to clean up the environment in the foreseeable future. The Netherlands has declared its intention to spend 4 percent of its gross national product on pollution control. Questions About Priorities

The study found that total costs rose to $100 billion in 1990 from $85 billion in 1987 and $26 billion in 1972 in constant 1986 dollars. By 2000, according to the analysis, the cost could rise to anywhere from $148 billion to $160 billion. Big Emission Reductions.

2% OF G.N.P. SPENT BY U.S. ON CLEANUP

Now if you read the article, it goes on to talk about the negative impacts on businesses. And mind you, in 1990, it was a Democrat led Congress that created the report.

So don't tell me about what China plans to do and how we are the bad guy. They have a hell of a lot of catching up to do to come close to what we've spent, and they are five times our population.

Liar Ray that is not the answer to my question. It's way off.
Your keep blabbing and blabbing that China is not doing anything till 2030 then suddenly you posted a different link. Go back and answer my question.
Obviously this is the first time you ran into this subject and you don't know a diddly shit what you are talking about Ray.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Right, because when you can't prove a story wrong, attack the source instead. Typical liberal strategy we see all the time.

So tell us, how much of our GDP would we have to pour into "green" under this agreement and how much money would that amount to? BTW, I never said anything about 380 billion or Germany.

What are you talking about dude?
Your buddy lied big time about the $380 billions and Germany's $18 billions. Then you supported his lies dude.

Then because of your desperation you posted a link from an asshole media. That's pathetic Ray.

No, that's not pathetic. What's pathetic is making a mistake and not admitting to it. That''s pathetic..........well.......I guess not for a leftist.

I never mentioned the$380 billions Ray your buddy did. You supported a big bullshit lie. That makes you a liar Ray. Sad very sad.

And what mistake did I make Ray? All my post are facts and I know what I'm talking about compared to you by keep blabbering nonsense all the way.

Oh, you didn't mention 380 billion and you didn't lie?

The best thing about telling the truth is never having to remember what you said.....like this just a few posts earlier:

So you cannot prove your $380 billions and Germany $18 billions. You lied and don't shit what you are taking about.
Why do you people lie? Like Trump.

You see, all you have to do is click the link that says "Click to expand" and it will bring up the entire conversation up to the last post. Now if you do that, you can clearly see you accused me of saying 380 billion when I didn't say shit about it. But of course you're not man enough to live up to your own mistakes. Typical lib.

You are dumber that I thought Ray. Aside from that you are also putting words in my mouth dude. How old are you?

The $380 billions and the $18 billions goes to Germany was a lie------- brought up by your friend that you supported. That makes you a liar.

What the fuck is wrong with you LIAR Ray?

God you leftists are thick. But it's like I've always said, the best part about being a liberal is never having to say you were wrong.

So let's try this one more time and hope some of it sinks in this time:

You accused me of making the statement about 380 billion when I never said anything like that. But instead of admitting you were wrong, you moved the goalposts to say I agreed with the person that said it, therefore, you didn't make a mistake.

You see, one of the characteristics about being conservative is admitting when you did make a mistake, or at the very least, not try to repeatedly defend your error.

Rating peoples comments is just a fun thing to do. I do it all the time. But rating peoples comments does not mean you made the comments. Only a complete liar would say different.

 

[charwin95]

It's one planet, one atmosphere. Explain why the populations matter as to the amount of greenhouse gasses entering the atmosphere.

The data is skewed against the USA due to its size and number of people! Of course we appear a bigger polluter than we are, if we didn't have such good technology, we would pollute much more. And India while contributing 7% is a much bigger polluter considering the small size of the country and population.

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China produces nearly a THIRD of the world CO2 emission yet is GROWING and not affected by the ACCORD.
India, despite its small size producers almost as much as all the countries of the EU combined.
Yes, we produce 14%, considering our population and size, pretty damned good compared to the tiny EU (look at a map).
Tiny Japan producers almost as much as all of Russia!
If you want to say 14% is still 14%, fine, but to cut our CO2 by 20% would be DEVASTATING to our economy, MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE. Now is not the time with our economy already weak and when the benefits of doing so are HIGHLY debatable. Even the PA predicts only a minuscule improvement over a century!
Not a good deal to CRIPPLE ourselves while China and India run away Scott free producing nearly 40% of the total global amount and INCREASING.

Let's take a look at air quality in BEIJING CHINA:


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Now let us take a look at New Delhi India:


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Now, let us take a look at an American City like Chicago, one of our largest:


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Any questions? Pure numbers and statistical data can be deceiving.

Yes you have a problem. No No No No and NO.
Your pictures are very misleading and very wrong comparison.
New Delhi, India is several hundred miles away from the ocean water. Beijing China is approximately 120 miles away a from the ocean water.
Chicago is next to a big body of water Lake Michigan and its windy blowing smog to inland city like Iowa. How often do you see a smog next to a body of water? See picture.
Other picture is from Riverside and San Bernardino, Ca. smog coming from Orange County Ca.
Now you compare those pictures to New Delhi and Beijing.

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This is San Bernardino and Riverside County, Ca

Yes you have a problem. No No No No and NO.
Your pictures are very misleading and very wrong comparison.
New Delhi, India is several hundred miles away from the ocean water. Beijing China is approximately 120 miles away a from the ocean water.
Chicago is next to a big body of water Lake Michigan and its windy blowing smog to inland city like Iowa. How often do you see a smog next to a body of water?

Yes. I see. Thank you. I got it all wrong. I posted a few pictures just for illustration, but China and India don't really have air quality issues! It is just all a matter of where you live next to a body of water!!! How did I never think of that??? The wind always blows around water and they never have breezes or wind away from bodies of water!

BULLSHIT!

1. CHINA. Taken strait from Wiki:
Air pollution has become a major issue in China and poses a threat to Chinese public health. In 2016, only 84 out of 338 prefecture-level or higher cities attained the national standard for air quality. The China Medical Association, warned in 2012 that air pollution could become China's biggest health threat. Measurements by Beijing municipal government in January 2013 showed that highest recorded level of PM2.5 (particulate matter smaller than 2.5 micrometers in size), was at nearly 1,000 μg per cubic meter. Traces of smog from mainland China has been observed to reach as far as California. Large-scale use of formaldehyde in make home building products in construction and furniture also contributes to indoor air pollution.

INDIA. Taken strait from Wiki:
Air pollution in India is quite a serious issue with the major sources being fuelwood and biomass burning, fuel adulteration, vehicle emission and traffic congestion. In autumn and winter months, large scale crop residue burning in agriculture fields – a low cost alternative to mechanical tilling – is a major source of smoke, smog and particulate pollution. India has a low per capita emissions of greenhouse gases but the country as a whole is the third largest greenhouse gas polluter. A 2013 study on non-smokers has found that Indians have 30% lower lung function compared to Europeans. The Air (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act was passed in 1981 to regulate air pollution and there have been some measurable improvements. However, the 2016 Environmental Performance Index ranked India 141 out of 180 countries.

2. THE USA. Taken straight from Wiki:
Pollution in the United States has plummeted in the recent decade, with pollutants such as nitrogen dioxide decreasing despite the fact the number of vehicles on the road isn't. This is due to better regulations, economic shifts, and technological innovations. With respect to nitrogen dioxide, NASA reported a 32% decrease in New York City and a 42% decrease in Atlanta between the periods of 2005-2007 and 2009-2011.
3. California has the worst air quality of any state, and in most surveys the cities in California rank in the top 5 or top 10 of most polluted air in the United States.

Last I checked, Nimrod, most of your major cities in California lie right along the coast, YOU KNOW, the Pacific Ocean, the LARGEST BODY OF WATER IN THE WORLD.


4. If the Paris Accord wants to worry about real air quality and climate change, ask the people of China and India what they think? These places need to get their act together, not the USA and Trump was right to say Nyet to the Accord rather than foot the bill for other people's problems!!!

1. Wrong again. I never said China and India don't have a pollution problem. Never.
2. This is funny. From your own words-------- US pollution plummeted in the recent decade. DUE to better *regulation*, economic shift and technological innovations ( reusable energy). In short according to you Obama did a very good job. Thank you.
But you purposely omit the increase of natural gas usage which is cheaper to extract and cleaner air compared to coal.
3. I am fully aware of the dirty air here in Ca. From #1 to #4 all of those are located inland. And if you go towards east surrounded by mountains blocking smog. The same with Los Angeles blocked by LA national forest, go south blocked by San Bernardino mountains. For #6 (picture) please don't tell me that is a smog.
We also have drought which causes warmer weather that results increased levels of ozone or smog.

Top 10 most ozone-polluted cities:
1. Fresno-Madera, Calif.
2. Bakersfield, Calif.
3. Visalia-Porterville-Hanford, Calif.
4. Modesto-Merced, Calif.
5. Los Angeles-Long Beach, Calif.
6. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, Calif.

The 10 most polluted cities in the U.S.

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4. China and India are very concern and worried of their air, land and sea quality. And as far as I know they are trying to do something. But to phase out in next 12 years is impossible----- That is why the 2030 time frame come in to place. What made you or others think they are not doing anything?

Trump pulled out from Paris accord is to revive a dying coal industry and believed its a hoax. *Nothing* more repeat nothing more. At the same time Trump believed in Climate Change according Pruiit and Haley.

Trump’s E.P.A. Chief Is Not Telling the Truth About Coal

Any questions Einstein?

Are those cities better or worse than your list of ten?

The 10 most polluted cities in the World

Or these?

List of most polluted cities by particulate matter concentration - Wikipedia

You are missing the point of the thread my dear. Toob mentioned the dirty in California so I just brought it up for him.
What are you trying to say?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I already posted what they currently doing Ray including $360 billions allocated to reusable energy before 2020.
Again they are doing a very big move to improved their air, land and sea environment as we speak. That also risking going to war to extract natural gas by building man made island in Sprately Island near Philippines.

Again you really don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about the 2030 tolerance Ray. They are choking to death.
I asked you this question repeatedly. What made you think China is not doing anything today to improve their atmosphere?
I even gave you an example of your house dude.

So far you have not answered any of my questions Ray. Why is that?

So what. Do you know how much we've spent in the past on pollution? Here is an article from 1990, no less from New York Communist Times, and here are some highlights from back then:

The United States devotes 2 percent of the total value of its annual output of goods and services to control pollution and to clean up the environment, an analysis by the Environmental Protection Agency has found. That is about the same as the most environmentally concerned European countries spend, agency officials said.

The nation spends nearly half as much to control pollution as it does to clothe itself and roughly a third of what it allocates to the military, according to the study, which the agency said was the first attempt to calculate the cost of pollution-control measures. The study was prepared for Congress and is now circulating within the Government in draft form.

Agency officials say that except for the Netherlands, no other country is likely to devote a bigger share of wealth to clean up the environment in the foreseeable future. The Netherlands has declared its intention to spend 4 percent of its gross national product on pollution control. Questions About Priorities

The study found that total costs rose to $100 billion in 1990 from $85 billion in 1987 and $26 billion in 1972 in constant 1986 dollars. By 2000, according to the analysis, the cost could rise to anywhere from $148 billion to $160 billion. Big Emission Reductions.

2% OF G.N.P. SPENT BY U.S. ON CLEANUP

Now if you read the article, it goes on to talk about the negative impacts on businesses. And mind you, in 1990, it was a Democrat led Congress that created the report.

So don't tell me about what China plans to do and how we are the bad guy. They have a hell of a lot of catching up to do to come close to what we've spent, and they are five times our population.

Liar Ray that is not the answer to my question. It's way off.
Your keep blabbing and blabbing that China is not doing anything till 2030 then suddenly you posted a different link. Go back and answer my question.
Obviously this is the first time you ran into this subject and you don't know a diddly shit what you are talking about Ray.

Obviously I do know what I'm talking about. And what I'm talking about is the USA has spent trillions on green whereas other nations spent next to nothing the past few decades. So China started now. Big deal. We started long ago, and now we need an international agreement to do even more?

How about this: when all these countries catch up to us and all the money we've spent throughout the years, maybe then create some kind of agreement. Because when they spend the kind of money we've spent, created the kinds of regulations we've created, and then chase many of those jobs back here like we chased out of this country, then we can start talking about doing more. Until the time, we've done more than our "fair share" when it comes to cleaning up our messes.

 

[charwin95]

AGAIN------ Are you saying 7 out of 10 Americans, CEOs, Exxon, ConocoPhillips, BP, Ivanka, Tillerson etc etc etc. that support this accord------- Are all democrats?
Withdrawing from this accord didn't make us the leader but a laughing and embarrassing around the world.
So if we act independently why not part of group of a great movement?

So far you have not answer any of my questions Ray. Why is that?

Trump withdrew from the accord only because of coal industry but pure dumb and do not accept that the climate change is a hoax. So what are you trying to say Ray? Crap.

You are 100% the Republicans have house, congress and the White House------ So how are they doing? Let say replace and repeal Obamacare with the same garbage, total chaos, non stop self inflicting wounds, continue sucking Putin dick, Russian scandal, republicans investigating republicans, an embarrassment around the world, discombobulated toxic administration. What an accomplishment.

Did anyone came up in support of Trump from withdrawing from the accord? except maybe 8 GOPs.

Keep your accord to yourselves leave the rest of us out of it

Then you are the minority here in America and the rest of the world.
Nicaragua didn't joined the accord because it's not strong or not good enough.
Syria because of on going civil war.
US just because of Trump trying to revive a dying coal industry. That makes the laughing stock and putting backwards. LMAO.

/--- Pres Trump never pulled out of the accord because we were never in it. You tool.
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That's a lie. Try harder.

/---- You need to try harder in Civics class. "The Founders incorporated the idea of treaties into the Constitution. Article II, Section 2 grants the president power “with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.”"

Try harder bud.

 

[charwin95]

So what's new in dealing with North Korea, ISIS and Syria? I don't see anything new.

You're kidding right?

* YOU DON'T SEE that in short order, we've gone from an invisible red line of total impotence in the sand that Obama's bluff was called on long ago leading to the slaughter of many thousands of lives to a missile attack that took out half of Assad's airforce, stopped the use of chemical weapons and made the world take serious Trump's resolve?

* YOU DON'T SEE that ISIS went from a free-running terror agency which had long since stopped taking America seriously to one day having the world's largest bomb dropped on its tunnel network killing many agents and slowing or stopping its tunnel system in and out of Afghanistan?

* And YOU DON'T SEE North Korea going from totally unchecked, to having China its closest ally now down its throat on one side working with us cutting off vital markets to our having a large military presence off shore ready to respond, meetings with Japan, a test of our strategist missile defense, to preparations to defending South Korea?

If you don't see any of that, you are indeed more than blind, you are willingly obtuse.

I see ISIS still attacking so that one bomb did squat.

I see NK firing missile after missile while El Dumster is Tweeting about Comey.

A missile strike on a abandoned air field? Really? You are bragging about that?

Pathetic

When Trump announced to the whole world that a massive armada are steaming toward Korean Peninsula. The whole world like OMG OMG OMG. The whole world was watching holding their breath especially in Asia.

While armada sits there we added 2 more aircraft carriers in the same area.
At the same time North Korean boy tested total of 4 more missiles in 3 weeks. This week 2 of the 3 carriers are pulled back.
That is military blunder because sending and announcing a massive armada then don't do a shit. That's bluffing.

 

[charwin95]

Right, because when you can't prove a story wrong, attack the source instead. Typical liberal strategy we see all the time.

So tell us, how much of our GDP would we have to pour into "green" under this agreement and how much money would that amount to? BTW, I never said anything about 380 billion or Germany.

What are you talking about dude?
Your buddy lied big time about the $380 billions and Germany's $18 billions. Then you supported his lies dude.

Then because of your desperation you posted a link from an asshole media. That's pathetic Ray.

No, that's not pathetic. What's pathetic is making a mistake and not admitting to it. That''s pathetic..........well.......I guess not for a leftist.

I never mentioned the$380 billions Ray your buddy did. You supported a big bullshit lie. That makes you a liar Ray. Sad very sad.

And what mistake did I make Ray? All my post are facts and I know what I'm talking about compared to you by keep blabbering nonsense all the way.

Oh, you didn't mention 380 billion and you didn't lie?

The best thing about telling the truth is never having to remember what you said.....like this just a few posts earlier:

So you cannot prove your $380 billions and Germany $18 billions. You lied and don't shit what you are taking about.
Why do you people lie? Like Trump.

You see, all you have to do is click the link that says "Click to expand" and it will bring up the entire conversation up to the last post. Now if you do that, you can clearly see you accused me of saying 380 billion when I didn't say shit about it. But of course you're not man enough to live up to your own mistakes. Typical lib.

I am the one who made that statement.. and in further posts down I showed how I came to that conclusion from the Paris accord itself... but alas idiots cant read and he has proven he only sees what he wants too, ignoring facts presented.

That was nice of you but it's not good enough.
I asked you to prove-------- Where and how you came up with $380 billions and the Germany was angry because they are not getting $18B.

How can that be when total contributions coming from 195 countries was no more $11B?
So far you have not proven your $380B. So who is the idiot?
If you follow this thread a lot of you morons keep plugging unnecessary and nonsense opinion. Pretend they know what the hell they are talking about.
The funny part is most of you snowflakes are using the same bible coming from Trump mouth and gas.
Like the 2030 non of you never traveled to China, posted 2 links about China's activities. Yet morons keep plugging China is not doing anything because Trump said so. What a bunch of idiots.
How the fuck can that be? They are already in big trouble and choking telling me they are not doing.

What the fuck you people know in the first place?

 

[charwin95]

Then you are doing exactly what I'm telling you. China is doing everything they can to improve their land, air, sea and the emissions output long before 2030. They signed with the accord to show the world that they are part of a good movement for the sake of one planet.
For you and Trump or anybody to say China is not doing anything till 2030 is pure idiotic.

And STOP cutting my post to fit your nonsense agenda.

Specifically what is China required to do prior to 2030. For that matter, what are they REQUIRED to do after 2030?

If they're doing something now, what purpose is the accord?

NOTHING... this was all voluntary... so they don't have to do squat.. now or then...

Really? How do you know that?

Explain.

Read the dam treaty... Your just an ignorant dupe... Keep your head in your ass..

You said they don't have to do squat------- How the hell do you know that? Just because Trump told you?
Why don't you pull your head out of Trump ass and start paying attention.
If you are choking are you dumb enough not to anything? I cannot make anymore stupid that that.

 

[charwin95]

We've always been visible in Syria and Iraq------

Can't argue with that! Under Obama, we have always been visible; here is the visible Obama Foreign Policy as seen through our enemy's eyes:


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Trump became the president suddenly you become aware that we have troops in Iraq and Syria. Wow I am impressed.

 

[charwin95]

Fact is Americans are getting jobs because Obama lost his

Nonsense.

Then it must be that employment has gone way up and the stock market soaring in the past several months because everyone is relieved Hillary and the democrats are finally out of the White House!!!

Or maybe, finally, Obama's trickle down economics has finally kicked in--- --- he has finally made all HIS money and can now start letting the rest of the country make a little as well.

Report: Trump Rolls Back $60 Billion More in Regulatory Savings - Washington Free Beacon

Right on brother coming Washington Free Beacon. Getting --------- desperate there Ray. WFB is no more than a right wing alt right bias media.

Washington Free Beacon: These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.

Factual Reporting: MIXED

 

[charwin95]

So what the hell is the difference treaty or not? it's about saving this planet.

It does nothing in the world like that. All it does is transfer trillions of our dollars to other nations. India doesn't have to do anything until someone deposits over $2 TRILLION in their coffers.

How is that accomplishing anything?

How did you came up with $2 trillions for India?