Trump thinks he can change the Constitution via EO

[Harpy Eagle]

"Under current policy, anyone born in the U.S. – regardless of whether they are delivered by a non-citizen or undocumented immigrant – is considered a citizen. The interpretation has been blamed for so-called 'birth tourism' and chain migration.

The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I hope he does! It should end. It would end all these mothers having babies in our country and then leaving to go back to their country. Then coming back as they complain, "My baby was born here in the US, so that makes me a citizen, too!"

We need to do something to stop the flow of these illegals coming here. They are taking advantage of our resources. We have enough hard time trying to take care of our own. Nevermind someone's child from another country. Especially, when the parents come here illegally.

I agree it should end, but I don't think you can change a Constitutional amendment with an executive order. Does Trump actually have lawyers over there? Aren't you supposed to propose another Amendment in order to change or eliminate one?

Yup, that's what many of us thought.
A List of Obama’s Constitutional Violations

I am rather embarrassed for you posting the link.


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It's not true?

Everything that doesn't fit the liberal agenda isn't true.

You would no since you are far more liberal than I am.


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[Flash]

The only reason the Moon Bats in this country have their head up their ass about illegal immigration is because they know they have to import welfare queens to elect Democrats. Without the filthy Democrats being elected there is no hope of this country ever being the socialist shithole that they desire so much.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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"Under current policy, anyone born in the U.S. – regardless of whether they are delivered by a non-citizen or undocumented immigrant – is considered a citizen. The interpretation has been blamed for so-called 'birth tourism' and chain migration.

The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I hope he does! It should end. It would end all these mothers having babies in our country and then leaving to go back to their country. Then coming back as they complain, "My baby was born here in the US, so that makes me a citizen, too!"

We need to do something to stop the flow of these illegals coming here. They are taking advantage of our resources. We have enough hard time trying to take care of our own. Nevermind someone's child from another country. Especially, when the parents come here illegally.

I agree it should end, but I don't think you can change a Constitutional amendment with an executive order. Does Trump actually have lawyers over there? Aren't you supposed to propose another Amendment in order to change or eliminate one?

Yup, that's what many of us thought.
A List of Obama’s Constitutional Violations

I am rather embarrassed for you posting the link.


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It's not true?

Or take EO 13603, which they claim gives the Govt the right to take anything.

It is related to the Defense Production Act of 1950 and was just an update of multiple updates to EOs dealing with said act, including twice by Bush II.

All EO 13603 did was update the changes in the Cabinet to include the changes made by Bush II and the creation of the DHS.


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[well named]

Sorry, that is a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

No need to apologize to me. You can take it up with the Supreme Court if you like.

You see you can't tell the difference because you feel you benefit from criminal behavior.

I doubt I am impacted by illegal immigration very much at all, either for good or ill. But I do think it's important that the economic evidence suggests strongly that Americans in general benefit from immigration, both legal and illegal. This mostly follows from the fact that many industries in many parts of the country are clearly dependent on migrant labor, and research shows a large degree of complementarity between the native and foreign-born work forces, so that they contribute positively to the economy without much impact on the wages of native citizens. Meanwhile we accrue the economic benefits of the labor they perform more cheaply. See for example this study.

I think you can make a reasonable case for the idea that the reasons for birthright citizenship which made sense in the 1860s no longer apply (see here), but it's also very clear in my view that the solution to the problem of illegal immigrants is to expand legal immigration. The sane solution is that the large majority of long-term illegal residents should be granted some legal status, although not necessarily citizenship. But I wouldn't oppose ending birthright citizenship if it were replaced by a constitutionally defined path to citizenship which allowed many more people (though not all) to become citizens than is possible under the currently broken system, and which also allowed for more long-term work visas for non-citizens.

 

[bodecea]

It reduces a motivation for illegal immigration. And a source of new and unwanted citizens.

And it saves we the tax payer billions each year.

Actually the exact opposite is true. I hope he tries to subvert the Constitution before the midterm. Manna from Heaven

I respectfully disagree. His base is so far gone they will NOT wake up if he tries to subvert the Constitution. They will continue to applaud because....MAGA!

------------------------------------------- Trump can't subvert the Constitution with an EO . Trump is just getting his thinking out in the public and signaling more actions after the Election . Its just a signal to his Deplorables Bode . [imo]

This isn't subverting the Constitution.

Completely ignoring the beginning of the 14th Amendment isn't "subverting the Constitution"? Maybe in trumpland...where black is white and ignorance is good.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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"Under current policy, anyone born in the U.S. – regardless of whether they are delivered by a non-citizen or undocumented immigrant – is considered a citizen. The interpretation has been blamed for so-called 'birth tourism' and chain migration.

The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I hope he does! It should end. It would end all these mothers having babies in our country and then leaving to go back to their country. Then coming back as they complain, "My baby was born here in the US, so that makes me a citizen, too!"

We need to do something to stop the flow of these illegals coming here. They are taking advantage of our resources. We have enough hard time trying to take care of our own. Nevermind someone's child from another country. Especially, when the parents come here illegally.

I agree it should end, but I don't think you can change a Constitutional amendment with an executive order. Does Trump actually have lawyers over there? Aren't you supposed to propose another Amendment in order to change or eliminate one?

Yup, that's what many of us thought.
A List of Obama’s Constitutional Violations

I am rather embarrassed for you posting the link.


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It's not true?

Or take EO 13524 which they claim gives INTPOL jurisdiction over the FBI and other government agencies.

This was an update to the International Organizations Immunities Act passed by Reagan which just allowed for organizations to work in the US and be exempt from certain US taxes and search and seizures laws.

INTERPOL was added to the Act above because they opened a liaison office in NY at the UN.

Despite what you see on TV, INTERPOL is not a police force and does not conduct investigations and has no arresting power.


They merely help the sharing of information by law enforcement in different countries.


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[jon_berzerk]

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where is the interpretation wiggle room in that?

There

And? Are you saying that illegals are not required to follow our laws while in our country? (That's what jurisdiction means, btw)

do they follow the law

explain fake and stolen identities and stolen ss numbers

they use to get by in the United States

If America doesn't have any jurisdiction over them like the 14th Amendment says then they aren't breaking any law.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction then they aren't here illegally and the nation has no authority to deport them.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction over them then NONE of our laws applies to them.

Interesting, we have people in our prisons who aren't citizens of this nation yet it was perfectly legal to prosecute them and put them in our prisons.

The 14th Amendment makes that possible.

--LOL

you bet all peoples here in the United States are expected to follow the laws

 

[bodecea]

Funny how the left didn't mind democrat icon FDR incarcerating American citizens without due process. Democrats still argue that it was justified. The left found a "right to privacy" that didn't exist in the Constitution to justify the murder of the unborn and a former KKK member appointed to the Court by FDR found a concept of "separation of church and state" that didn't exist in the Constitution to justify the bulldozing of National monuments. All Trump is doing is settling a long disputed part of the 14th Amendment.

You realize that was with a Declared War, right?

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no guarantee of citizen for anybody that enters this country illegally.

No there is not but constitutional is clear with respect to those who born here, except those born to an agent of a foreign government. Deal with it.

No, it isn't. The 14th amendment was intended only to address the rights of former slaves in the former Confederate states and then only as a condition for those states to gain representation in Congress. The days when liberal Justices can play fast and loose with the Constitution are over. The issues of citizenship will be handled, as they should be, by the Congress and the President and not by vigilante liberal Justices who have no respect for the Constitution.

 

[bodecea]

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where is the interpretation wiggle room in that?

There

And? Are you saying that illegals are not required to follow our laws while in our country? (That's what jurisdiction means, btw)

do they follow the law

explain fake and stolen identities and stolen ss numbers

they use to get by in the United States

If America doesn't have any jurisdiction over them like the 14th Amendment says then they aren't breaking any law.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction then they aren't here illegally and the nation has no authority to deport them.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction over them then NONE of our laws applies to them.

Interesting, we have people in our prisons who aren't citizens of this nation yet it was perfectly legal to prosecute them and put them in our prisons.

The 14th Amendment makes that possible.

--LOL

you bet all peoples here in the United States are expected to follow the laws

Exactly...which means the United States has jurisdiction over them.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There

And? Are you saying that illegals are not required to follow our laws while in our country? (That's what jurisdiction means, btw)

do they follow the law

explain fake and stolen identities and stolen ss numbers

they use to get by in the United States

If America doesn't have any jurisdiction over them like the 14th Amendment says then they aren't breaking any law.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction then they aren't here illegally and the nation has no authority to deport them.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction over them then NONE of our laws applies to them.

Interesting, we have people in our prisons who aren't citizens of this nation yet it was perfectly legal to prosecute them and put them in our prisons.

The 14th Amendment makes that possible.

--LOL

you bet all peoples here in the United States are expected to follow the laws

Exactly...which means the United States has jurisdiction over them.

indeed that is why we can throw their asses out

 

[dudmuck]

It reduces a motivation for illegal immigration. And a source of new and unwanted citizens.

And it saves we the tax payer billions each year.

Actually the exact opposite is true. I hope he tries to subvert the Constitution before the midterm. Manna from Heaven

I respectfully disagree. His base is so far gone they will NOT wake up if he tries to subvert the Constitution. They will continue to applaud because....MAGA!

------------------------------------------- Trump can't subvert the Constitution with an EO . Trump is just getting his thinking out in the public and signaling more actions after the Election . Its just a signal to his Deplorables Bode . [imo]

This isn't subverting the Constitution.

ok then, Obama could have nullified the 2nd amendment.

 

[bodecea]

And? Are you saying that illegals are not required to follow our laws while in our country? (That's what jurisdiction means, btw)

do they follow the law

explain fake and stolen identities and stolen ss numbers

they use to get by in the United States

If America doesn't have any jurisdiction over them like the 14th Amendment says then they aren't breaking any law.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction then they aren't here illegally and the nation has no authority to deport them.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction over them then NONE of our laws applies to them.

Interesting, we have people in our prisons who aren't citizens of this nation yet it was perfectly legal to prosecute them and put them in our prisons.

The 14th Amendment makes that possible.

--LOL

you bet all peoples here in the United States are expected to follow the laws

Exactly...which means the United States has jurisdiction over them.

indeed that is why we can throw their asses out

But not those born here. That's the topic of discussion, not the illegals themselves.

 

[Flash]

Here is something for the stupid Moon Bats to put in their pipes and smoke it:

It’s time to tell the truth; the 14th amendment was never ratified.

It’s time to tell the truth; the 14th amendment was never ratified.

They simply passed a “resolution” that “declared” that the 14th amendment had been ratified and then ORDERED the secretary of state to sign off on it. That is how it was “ratified”. The reality is that 16 states had said NO or TRIED to say NO when all was said and done. 16! when just 10 no’s was enough to defeat the amendment. 60% MORE NO’s THAN was needed to defeat it.

 

[idb]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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It will work to get more votes from people who have the right to vote.

I hate EOs. I think they are bullshit. I think the 14th Amendment is sloppy but clear. It needs to be amended.

BUT, Obama opened the EO door despite our yelling and screaming, so a little payback is in order.

Hopefully, the EO bullshit will stop forever after this.

.

Obama signed less EOs than GWB, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon and ten other presidents.
So...there is that inconvenient historical fact for those that try to justify Trump's EOs by blaming Obama I suppose.

 

[jon_berzerk]

do they follow the law

explain fake and stolen identities and stolen ss numbers

they use to get by in the United States

If America doesn't have any jurisdiction over them like the 14th Amendment says then they aren't breaking any law.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction then they aren't here illegally and the nation has no authority to deport them.

If America doesn't have jurisdiction over them then NONE of our laws applies to them.

Interesting, we have people in our prisons who aren't citizens of this nation yet it was perfectly legal to prosecute them and put them in our prisons.

The 14th Amendment makes that possible.

--LOL

you bet all peoples here in the United States are expected to follow the laws

Exactly...which means the United States has jurisdiction over them.

indeed that is why we can throw their asses out

But not those born here. That's the topic of discussion, not the illegals themselves.

too bad

if the folks are here illegal so are any offspring

dont like it

take it to court bitch

 

[iceberg]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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It will work to get more votes from people who have the right to vote.

I hate EOs. I think they are bullshit. I think the 14th Amendment is sloppy but clear. It needs to be amended.

BUT, Obama opened the EO door despite our yelling and screaming, so a little payback is in order.

Hopefully, the EO bullshit will stop forever after this.

.

Obama signed less EOs than GWB, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon and ten other presidents.
So...there is that inconvenient historical fact for those that try to justify Trump's EOs by blaming Obama I suppose.

it's not the total # they sign or put into play. it's what they are doing it for.

if we're talking what it's supposed to be used for then who cares how often they do it. if it's to circumvent our system and get their ideas into action then yes, that is the foul.

i hated it when obama was doing it cause it set such a bad tone and i hate that trump is following suit. however both of these presidents are doing it cause congress is more or less stagnant and not doing anything at all. that's what we need to fix.

 

[idb]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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Doesn't he think the October middle class 10% tax cut will be enough to win the mid-terms?
How many more hours has he got to implement it?
Is he using East Coast time or West Coast time?
So many questions!

 

[iceberg]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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Doesn't he think the October middle class 10% tax cut will be enough to win the mid-terms?
How many more hours has he got to implement it?
Is he using East Coast time or West Coast time?
So many questions!

and yet you can't come up with a legitimate one.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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Doesn't he think the October middle class 10% tax cut will be enough to win the mid-terms?
How many more hours has he got to implement it?
Is he using East Coast time or West Coast time?
So many questions!

and yet you can't come up with a legitimate one.

Seems it was a legit question.

Trump does seem to be throwing the spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks.

The fake tax cut via decree had no traction so he moved to this.


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