Trump thinks he can change the Constitution via EO

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure he can ... and when he signs an executive order that violates the Constitution like this one, the Supreme Court will squash it like a conservative on the windshield of an 18-wheeler.

So then its not a living document.

Mark

LOLOL

I just posted the text from the Constitution itself where it details the process for amending it — and you’re still ignorant??

Amending it does not make it the "living document" the left claims it to be. They claim it can be interpreted differently because todays needs are different than they were yesterday.

Mark

Dumbshit.... it’s a living document because it can be changed.

In ONLY two ways and it can ONLY be amended, not changed.

But the interpretations of it kind of are subject to change. Thus, SCOTUS.

 

[WinterBorn]

don't claim that welfare (for citizens and illegals) is why we are broke.

Don't spin my words.

I'm not spinning your words. Just making a point. So many want to make it seem as though the social programs are breaking us, when they are less than 7% of our budget. And since we haven't had an administration that only spends what we bring in, being broke doesn't seem to be an issue when they write the budget.

 

[Darkwind]

So then its not a living document.

Mark

LOLOL

I just posted the text from the Constitution itself where it details the process for amending it — and you’re still ignorant??

Amending it does not make it the "living document" the left claims it to be. They claim it can be interpreted differently because todays needs are different than they were yesterday.

Mark

Dumbshit.... it’s a living document because it can be changed.

In ONLY two ways and it can ONLY be amended, not changed.

But the interpretations of it kind of are subject to change. Thus, SCOTUS.

You mean the proper role of checks and balances in challenging an interpretation of an Amendment?

The SCOTUS will decide it eventually. The problem is, that it has not as of today. As I said before, according to some Constitutional scholars, the very notion that illegals having a child gives the child a birthright to be here - it has never been said it gives the parent a right to stay -- only began as recently as the 1960's. Before that, it wasn't even a consideration.

 

[Faun]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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My money says you're the stupid one...……...

A fool and his money are soon parted

Would you care to make a wager?

Sure.

If the SCOTUS says that the 14th as written does not apply to children of illegals, then I will leave this board for good.

If the SCOTUS says that the 14th as written does apply to children of illegals, then you leave this board for good.

Why on Earth would you make a wager with a loser who will 100% welsh if he loses?

 

[ColonelAngus]

If those who believe that the 14th Amendment shows no distinction between who is ruled a citizen and who is not, how come American Indians born in the US were not US citizens?

Mark

Stupid , archaic racism. Next softball...

Russians go on birthing tours.

Trump would be pushing back on Russian babies being American.

I thought Trump and Putin were pals. Why is Trump racist against Russians?

I'm sure that would be news to the ignorant, incurious Trump.

You are much smarter than he is, we know.

Everything is racist to you, huh?

What about the black on black gun violence in Chicago?

Are the Chicago elected officials racist to let so many young men of color get shot down in the street?

 

[Faun]

Thanks for proving the person who introduced the 14th Amendment, meant for it to include ALL persons born in the U.S. EXCEPT for those born in families of foreign ambassadors or foreign ministers.

 

[deltex1]

Lindsey Graham Says He’ll Back Trump On Birthright Citizenship With Legislation

Sweet Lindsey is really sucking hard.

Brown,red,white. Very representative of our population...which contains an expected number of nut cases.

 

[Faun]

Now let me tell you what is hilarious here.

Republicans want to end citizenship through birth so they can increase the number of white people coming here and decrease the number of brown and black people who are citizens.
These Republicans are assuming that there are millions of white people who are just dying to come into the United States.

Now let me ask you a couple of questions.

First, where would they be coming from and why would they even want to leave where they are at?

Second, who would be willing to want to come to this country and live in polluted Red State economic basket cases with a bunch of ignorant and armed deplorables? After all, you don't want to live with your kids by such people. They kill elderly and unarmed Jews in their place of worship. They believe an orange monster. They are fond of Nazi's. And you can never believe a word they say.

You see what I mean?

Sound familiar...?

Article 4

1. A Jew cannot be a citizen of the Reich.​

 

[Faun]

If those who believe that the 14th Amendment shows no distinction between who is ruled a citizen and who is not, how come American Indians born in the US were not US citizens?

Mark

Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof...

 

[oreo]

Source: CNBC.COM original story on Axios
Trump wants to sign an order to end birthright citizenship, setting up a constitutional battle

"President Donald Trump is planning to terminate birthright citizenship, according to a report by Axios, potentially setting up another stand-off between the U.S. president and the courts.

Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said Monday, according to Axios which used the exclusive interview to promote a new documentary series called "Axios on HBO."

"This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting 'anchor babies' and 'chain migration'," Axios said in its report.


Trump's comments come as he continues to push a hard anti-immigration line ahead of the midterms this month, and many experts will highlight that it's not within the president's power to change birthright citizenship.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump reportedly said, declaring he can do it by using an executive order.

Trump said he had run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed, despite likely controversy. However, during the same interview Trump expressed surprise that Axios knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one," he said."

Let the fun, games and gnashing of teeth begin.

This should be an interesting court battle if President Twitter follows through with the Executive Order since the courts have never ruled on the question of whether or not the 14th Amendment applies to illegal immigrants or foreigners with temporary legal status.

Personally I don't think he's going to win this battle but I guess we'll see.

"May you live in interesting times" -- Chinese Curse

There won't be any battle, it's unconstitutional-- The only way to change or repeal an amendment to the Constitution requires 2/3's of the Senate, 2/3's of the House then it has to be ratified by 38 state legislatures. Notably the President doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Faun]

Sure he can ... and when he signs an executive order that violates the Constitution like this one, the Supreme Court will squash it like a conservative on the windshield of an 18-wheeler.

So then its not a living document.

Mark

LOLOL

I just posted the text from the Constitution itself where it details the process for amending it — and you’re still ignorant??

Amending it does not make it the "living document" the left claims it to be. They claim it can be interpreted differently because todays needs are different than they were yesterday.

Mark

Dumbshit.... it’s a living document because it can be changed.

In ONLY two ways and it can ONLY be amended, not changed.

Dumbshit, Amendments can, and do, include changes.

 

[beagle9]

The left claims they want families to stay together, yet they promote such an idiotic thing with this birthright citizenship ???

So if it is found that a male/ female couple from Honduras were to have a baby on American soil, and the two illegal adults are to be scheduled for deportation, then the left wants their baby seperated from it's mother and father for whom have to be deported ??

 

[candycorn]

I hope and pray he does....

And then every Republican on the ballot has to run on that? Fantastic.

Why would every Republican have to run on that? Not every Republican supports that decision, and trump doesn't speak for everyRepublican, he speaks for himself.

When the head of your party (the President) does something, you are going to be asked if you support or oppose it.

 

[peach174]

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Trump hasn't either.

 

[Faun]

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Trump hasn't either.

Stutter much?

 

[deanrd]

Now let me tell you what is hilarious here.

Republicans want to end citizenship through birth so they can increase the number of white people coming here and decrease the number of brown and black people who are citizens.
These Republicans are assuming that there are millions of white people who are just dying to come into the United States.

Now let me ask you a couple of questions.

First, where would they be coming from and why would they even want to leave where they are at?

Second, who would be willing to want to come to this country and live in polluted Red State economic basket cases with a bunch of ignorant and armed deplorables? After all, you don't want to live with your kids by such people. They kill elderly and unarmed Jews in their place of worship. They believe an orange monster. They are fond of Nazi's. And you can never believe a word they say.

You see what I mean?

WTF, you worried you'll have to clean your own toilet, mow your own lawn...dumbass.

I do those things now.

 

[peach174]

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Trump hasn't either.

Stutter much?

Grammar Police

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No changes needed to the Constitution. Citizenship is granted to babies born to legal residents who are living here UNDER THE LAWS IF THE UNITED STATES. Illegals don’t meet that requirement. Send them home.

They dont'?

So, if a illegal alien kills someone, they are not under our laws?

As citizens of say Mexico they still have their home country embassy they can appeal to for help. Same as any US citizen in Mexico accused of a crime. But if you’re a US citizen in Mexico none of your kids born there are Mexican citizens.

This is true, we are different than Mexico.

And again, I am do not support the idea of automatic citizenship based just on birth, but the Constitution is the Constitution and we cannot choose to ignore the parts we do not like.

Do you think the 14th was intended for anchor babies? If it wasn’t then we should stop doing that. Nobody in their right mind would have voted it in thinking it meant anyone in the world could just come here and give birth to an American citizen.

Do you think the 1st was intended for pornography?

Do you think the Founding Fathers were thinking about AR-15s when the wrote the 2nd?

I do not believe in trying to figure out intent, that opens way too many doors.

The words are what they are. That is what we should go by.

If you do not like the 14, as I do not, then there is a system to get rid of it.

Choosing to ignore it is not the right answer

Yeah porn is covered in the first. Back then you had to go to a bar to see a wenches tits today pornhub can do that. Same concept though. Those that show and those that watch.

I’m sure if they had AR-15’s that son of a bitch would have been mentioned specifically as a right to own. They had the top of the line weapons of war for the period and made no distinction between those or any other arms.

Without intent you can make it say anything you can dream up. As written and as intended is how it needs to be.

Who fucked up the 14th? The writers or the assholes that came later thinking it meant illegals? Maybe we should have stuck to what it says.

 

[Faun]

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Gee...another chicken that's come home to roost! Remember when Barry declared that he had a pen and a phone and he was ready to do an end run around a newly elected GOP Congress to keep his agenda moving forward? Remember the warnings that were given to Democrats that they would rue that decision because of the precedent it set? I've got news for you...if you take control of the House and try to stall Trump's agenda...he will very likely do the same thing that Obama did...and keep his agenda on track using EO's!

And you'll have nobody to blame but yourselves...

The Great Obama never claimed he could change the Constitution
He operated within the powers of the executive branch

Trump hasn't either.

Stutter much?

Grammar Police

Dumbfuck, I said nothing about grammar. Do they bread you idiots to be this stupid?

 

[peach174]

They dont'?

So, if a illegal alien kills someone, they are not under our laws?

As citizens of say Mexico they still have their home country embassy they can appeal to for help. Same as any US citizen in Mexico accused of a crime. But if you’re a US citizen in Mexico none of your kids born there are Mexican citizens.

This is true, we are different than Mexico.

And again, I am do not support the idea of automatic citizenship based just on birth, but the Constitution is the Constitution and we cannot choose to ignore the parts we do not like.

Do you think the 14th was intended for anchor babies? If it wasn’t then we should stop doing that. Nobody in their right mind would have voted it in thinking it meant anyone in the world could just come here and give birth to an American citizen.

Do you think the 1st was intended for pornography?

Do you think the Founding Fathers were thinking about AR-15s when the wrote the 2nd?

I do not believe in trying to figure out intent, that opens way too many doors.

The words are what they are. That is what we should go by.

If you do not like the 14, as I do not, then there is a system to get rid of it.

Choosing to ignore it is not the right answer

Yeah porn is covered in the first. Back then you had to go to a bar to see a wenches tits today pornhub can do that. Same concept though. Those that show and those that watch.

I’m sure if they had AR-15’s that son of a bitch would have been mentioned specifically as a right to own. They had the top of the line weapons of war for the period and made no distinction between those or any other arms.

Without intent you can make it say anything you can dream up. As written and as intended is how it needs to be.

Who fucked up the 14th? The writers or the assholes that came later thinking it meant illegals? Maybe we should have stuck to what it says.

They dont'?

So, if a illegal alien kills someone, they are not under our laws?

As citizens of say Mexico they still have their home country embassy they can appeal to for help. Same as any US citizen in Mexico accused of a crime. But if you’re a US citizen in Mexico none of your kids born there are Mexican citizens.

This is true, we are different than Mexico.

And again, I am do not support the idea of automatic citizenship based just on birth, but the Constitution is the Constitution and we cannot choose to ignore the parts we do not like.

Do you think the 14th was intended for anchor babies? If it wasn’t then we should stop doing that. Nobody in their right mind would have voted it in thinking it meant anyone in the world could just come here and give birth to an American citizen.

Do you think the 1st was intended for pornography?

Do you think the Founding Fathers were thinking about AR-15s when the wrote the 2nd?

I do not believe in trying to figure out intent, that opens way too many doors.

The words are what they are. That is what we should go by.

If you do not like the 14, as I do not, then there is a system to get rid of it.

Choosing to ignore it is not the right answer

Yeah porn is covered in the first. Back then you had to go to a bar to see a wenches tits today pornhub can do that. Same concept though. Those that show and those that watch.

I’m sure if they had AR-15’s that son of a bitch would have been mentioned specifically as a right to own. They had the top of the line weapons of war for the period and made no distinction between those or any other arms.

Without intent you can make it say anything you can dream up. As written and as intended is how it needs to be.

Who fucked up the 14th? The writers or the assholes that came later thinking it meant illegals? Maybe we should have stuck to what it says.

Back then they were called taverns, not bars and brothels.