Trump's future hangs in the balance: Possible charges as Classified Documents Probe may be announced after Memorial Day

[Seymour Flops]

Nothing in the report requiring anyone to recuse. No charges for anyone else. Durham found no crime he could convict anyone on. But the liars Club Faux Not New/Neo-GOP did get some fine talking points that turned out to be lies too.

Lies are really all they ever have these days. Beside catching Bill fibbing about a .......

Actually, Durham charged and convicted the FBI agent who altered an email in order to fraudulently obtain a warrant.

The point is not about crimes and convictions. Strozk and Page were never convicted of crimes, does that mean they were and would be fit to investigate Trump?

What Durham found, as well as the IG, was that there was a concerted effort on the part of the FBI and DOJ to prop up their conspiracy theory about Russian collusion in order to interfere with the 2020 election, carried on by people who expressed their hatred for Trump on government issued communications equipment, in one case while carrying on an extra-marital affair with each other.

That is plenty of reason for the FBI and DOJ to be disqualified from ever investigating Trump.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Explain the relevance of Biden "self declaring" documents he had from decades of being a DC insider all over his house as if he found them innocently when he was playing with his dog. Oh, here are a bunch of documents from when I was in the Senate, and a bunch more as Veep.

Explain how that could happen innocently. Obviously, it couldn't

Not all. They are not equivalent. You could ask Trump why he defied the US government for eleven months.
To Rawley above: Trump acted criminally, Biden did not.

 

[BlindBoo]

Notice how we haven't heard a thing about Trump's documents since the middle man took them to look at them?... that's because there is nothing classified about them....

It's mostly because Smith doesn't fuck around with leaks. He will let the charges, or not charges, speak when he feels it's time.

 

[struth]

It's not in question. The President has the power to immediately declassify and take documents. Trump was President, Biden wasn't. You can't argue facts, sorry dimwit

Correct, a US Senator, which Xiden was when he began stealing classified documents and hiding them, did not have that power.

 

[Mac1958]

?? It was thesis of your post. Biden's FBI and DOJ are treating Trump and Biden completely different.

Well no, but I know you're really trying here.

That's okay, slugger.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Right he turned them over immediately after 6 years and everyone knows a box in a garage is the most secure place in the history of the universe. Jumping through hoops is like an Olympic sport for you people.

Once they realized they had him, they self reported. Trump was caught. Jeez, TK, don't hide your goods behind the sofa against the wall like Trump.

 

[struth]

Not all. They are not equivalent. You could ask Trump why he defied the US government for eleven months.
To Rawley above: Trump acted criminally, Biden did not.

we could ask Xiden why he defied the US Govt for YEARS hiding classified documents...but I doubt you really want to know the answer to that

 

[Rawley]

No, those aren’t facts. At least not yet. To say they were taken illegally requires proof that taking them was done knowingly and willingly.

What is a fact, is that Trump received a grand jury subpoena to return all these documents and didn't return all the documents. If the government can prove that he did so knowingly and willingly, he's in big trouble.

Can you explain why a grand jury didn't issue a subpeona to Biden when it was found he had documents marked classified?

 

[Marener]

Sounds like his lawyer might be in trouble, if you can prove the lawyer did that knowingly and intentionally.

If Trump lied to the lawyer who lied to the FBI, he's still in trouble. You don't get to launder your lies through your lawyer and get away with it.

 

[Marener]

It's not in question. The President has the power to immediately declassify and take documents. Trump was President, Biden wasn't. You can't argue facts, sorry dimwit

It is the question. Classification of the documents is not the relevant issue. Trump was given a grand jury subpoena and he didn't comply with it. If he had, there'd be no real issues.

 

[Rawley]

Well no, but I know you're really trying here.

That's okay, slugger.

Well, yes. But I understand your need to ignore reality. I won't disturb your comfortable little bubble anymore.

 

[struth]

If Trump lied to the lawyer who lied to the FBI, he's still in trouble. You don't get to launder your lies through your lawyer and get away with it.

hahaha when did Trump lie to his lawyer? what the f are you talking about?

 

[Marener]

Can you explain why a grand jury didn't issue a subpeona to Biden when it was found he had documents marked classified?

Because they didn't need to. Biden turned everything over quickly. Trump's lawyers argued forever and the DoJ got fed up and issued a subpoena to compel them.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, yes. But I understand your need to ignore reality. I won't disturb your comfortable little bubble anymore.

Okie dokie Trumpster!

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Provide the link for the claim that Biden was required

No he couldnt, even when he was President.
Quote the legal experts. You people just type stuff without quoting a legal expert or law.

All classified material have to have a chain of custody, I worked around classified materiel I do know what I'm talking about I don't need legal experts opinions on the issue. But ok here's you legal experts moron.

18 CFR § 3a.71 - Accountability for classified material.

www.law.cornell.edu

"Record all changes in status or custody of the document during its classification life or the period it is retained under accountability in the FERC."

 

[BackAgain]

Don the Con is not accused of having digital copies of the document he tried to steal is he?

Why was he trying to steal them? Future leverage perhaps?

President Trump didn’t steal or try to steal anything, first off.

And prior Presidents frequently wish to have ready access to papers of state for things like memoirs. So, your speculation on “intent” is pretty vacuous.

 

[Marener]

hahaha when did Trump lie to his lawyer? what the f are you talking about?

I'm speculating. Someone wasn't being truthful with the DoJ. It's hard to believe that Trump's lawyers took it upon themselves to hide these documents from the DOJ.

I don't know who is telling what to Jack Smith.

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually, Durham charged and convicted the FBI agent who altered an email in order to fraudulently obtain a warrant.

But he was handed that case by the IG for prosecution.

What Durham found, as well as the IG, was that there was a concerted effort on the part of the FBI and DOJ to prop up their conspiracy theory about Russian collusion in order to interfere with the 2020 election

That was their decided opinion except the origins of the Durham probe was to uncover the greatest conspiracy in History, Obamagate! In reality it was to intended to interfere in the 2020 election on Trumps behalf but they never uncovered squat!

'No Evidence' to Support Obamagate Premise of Durham Probe: Report | Law & Crime

Top prosecutors in the so-called Durham probe into the origins of the Russigate investigation have reportedly found "no evidence" to support the foundational theory that spawned the investigation—namely, that Obamagate occurred and that Barack Obama himself needed to be punished for it.

lawandcrime.com

Barr, for his part, has reportedly pressured Durham and his team for months over the investigation into the investigation–insisting that the prosecutor release the results before Election Day in an effort to use the full apparatus of the U.S. Department of Justice as a salve for President Donald Trump‘s electoral woes.

And while Barr has often energized the president’s base with updates about the progress of the Durham investigation, he has also repeatedly disappointed the same base by not producing high-profile indictments.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

we could ask Xiden why he defied the US Govt for YEARS hiding classified documents...but I doubt you really want to know the answer to that

The DOJ did and were satisfied with the answers, where as Trump lied, denied, cried, and got kicked in the ass.

 

[BlindBoo]

President Trump didn’t steal or try to steal anything, first off.

And prior Presidents frequently wish to have ready access to papers of state for things like memoirs. So, your speculation on “intent” is pretty vacuous.

We'll see what the jury has to say. If he directed his lawyer to lie about them, yeah he did.

Don't they have a process for the documents former presidents want for their libraries and memoirs?