Trump's trade war with China

[pknopp]

A lot of countries but the US isn't one of them.

Your comment is not unexpected, no matter the beef between the US and China, you carry water for the Chinese.

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage. China was smart enough to look long term and made agreements for companies to turn over technology in exchange for low wages and lax regulations.

 

[Zorro!]

Your comment is not unexpected, no matter the beef between the US and China, you carry water for the Chinese.

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
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The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

 

[FA_Q2]

Your comment is not unexpected, no matter the beef between the US and China, you carry water for the Chinese.

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage. China was smart enough to look long term and made agreements for companies to turn over technology in exchange for low wages and lax regulations.

....

This is willfully ignorant.

 

[pknopp]

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage. China was smart enough to look long term and made agreements for companies to turn over technology in exchange for low wages and lax regulations.

....

This is willfully ignorant.

American companies complain that Chinese authorities effectively make them hand over key technology in exchange for access to the world's second largest economy.

How China squeezes tech secrets from U.S. companies

No, no one can make them hand over anything. They do it willingly to increase their bottom line.

 

[Zorro!]

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage. China was smart enough to look long term and made agreements for companies to turn over technology in exchange for low wages and lax regulations.

....

This is willfully ignorant.

American companies complain that Chinese authorities effectively make them hand over key technology in exchange for access to the world's second largest economy.

How China squeezes tech secrets from U.S. companies

No, no one can make them hand over anything. They do it willingly to increase their bottom line.

Well, there's that, and there is this:

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Xuehua Edward Peng
On September 30, 2019, the FBI arrested Xuehua Peng, also known as Edward Peng, 56, for acting as an illegal foreign agent in delivering classified United States national security information to officials of the People's Republic of China's Ministry of State Security (MSS). Mr Peng, 56, of Hayward, Californina, was caught on FBI surveillance video completing a "dead drop" in a Northern California hotel room, and allegedly completed five more dead drops between 2015 and 2018. He was arrested on Friday in Hayward, California, and denied bail at a court hearing.

They will either agree to a verifiable enforceable agreement to quit stealing from us or their tariffs will rise again, on Dec 15 if Trump goes through with his increase. So far, they have chosen to pay the tariffs rather than quit stealing from us, if they think stealing from us, their best customer, is that valuable, why are we obligated to let them steal for free when they are willing to pay these 10's of $billions in tariffs?

 

[pknopp]

All countries spy on each other. It's pretty stupid but all countries do so.

 

[Zorro!]

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage. China was smart enough to look long term and made agreements for companies to turn over technology in exchange for low wages and lax regulations.

....

This is willfully ignorant.

Isn't it? This reflexive jump to be aligned with the Chinese is visceral for him.

Fascinating.

 

[Zorro!]

All countries spy on each other. It's pretty stupid but all countries do so.

Well, certainly tariffs and agreements to respect each other's rights are much more civilized responses to these thefts than some of the alternatives.

If China is willing to pay $10's of Billions in order to keep stealing from us, why are we obligated to allow them to steal from us for free?

 

[pknopp]

All countries spy on each other. It's pretty stupid but all countries do so.

Well, certainly tariffs and agreements to respect each other's rights are much more civilized responses to these thefts than some of the alternatives.

If China is willing to pay $10's of Billions in order to keep stealing from us, why are we obligated to allow them to steal for free?

When you start advocating for a tax increase to pay for Trump's bail outs, I'll take you seriously.

 

[Zorro!]

All countries spy on each other. It's pretty stupid but all countries do so.

Well, certainly tariffs and agreements to respect each other's rights are much more civilized responses to these thefts than some of the alternatives.

If China is willing to pay $10's of Billions in order to keep stealing from us, why are we obligated to allow them to steal for free?

When you start advocating for a tax increase to pay for Trump's bail outs, I'll take you seriously.

Those are tax increases, just not being paid by Americans. That seems to stick in your craw a little.

Why do you only look at the income side of the ledger? The Federal Government is taking in more money today than at any time in their history. I have a feeling they might be able to "make do" on $3,619,066,000,000 a year. How much a day do you figure that is?

Why do you have no focus on using what funds already being supplied, more efficiently? Some Lefties are now openly admitting that they support taxation not so much for it's funding effects as its punishing effects. There are certain people they hate and they want to use the power of government to hurt them. Unless they are acting illegally, I don't support the Left punishing those they have otherized through punitive government policy.

Do you know that the US Government has so much property that they cannot even put together an accurate list of the properties they own? They all need upkeep, insurance and so forth and many have been vacant for years.

With more than three billion square feet of real estate under its aegis, the federal government is far and away the largest landlord in the country. Much of that property – acquired over the years to help agencies fulfill their diverse missions -- is of little or no use to the government today. Yet Congress has appropriated billions of dollars over the years simply to preserve the unneeded and unwanted property that agencies can’t unload.

In fiscal 2010 – the last year for which accurate data is available – the government spent $1.67 billion operating and maintaining 295,000 underutilized or vacant buildings. The annual cost of preserving the surplus property has steadily added to the deficit.

Here is some prime Federal Property

A 132-year-old building owned by the federal government, just six blocks from the White House, has been sitting empty for three decades.

I want to see them do a better job with what we are already sending them, before we send them anymore.

 

[pknopp]

Tariffs are tax increases paid by American's. Granted, we are not paying for the bail outs. That is all going to the trillion plus dollars in debt.

 

[Mac-7]

China did not force US companies to move there. China didn't force Trump to make his ties there.

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Thats a lot of chinese spying on the United States

Just another reason to keep china at arms length

 

[pknopp]

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Thats a lot of chinese spying on the United States

Just another reason to keep china at arms length

I'm OK with that as long as we do the same.

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs are tax increases paid by American's. Granted, we are not paying for the bail outs. That is all going to the trillion plus dollars in debt.

The tariffs cost china too

Which is why the chinese are trying to get them removed

 

[Mac-7]

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Thats a lot of chinese spying on the United States

Just another reason to keep china at arms length

I'm OK with that as long as we do the same.

I dont think we have the same chance to spy on china

Foreigners are closely watched in china and very few if any are allowed to work in the chinese defense industry

 

[pknopp]

Tariffs are tax increases paid by American's. Granted, we are not paying for the bail outs. That is all going to the trillion plus dollars in debt.

The tariffs cost china too

Which is why the chinese are trying to get them removed

What the Chinese are doing is opening trade with other countries.

Tell us, how are those negotiations from the great negotiating going?

 

[Zorro!]

Tariffs are tax increases paid by American's...

That's funny, I just looked at my receipt and I don't see a tariff charge.

Please post an image of a receipt you have that has a line for "tariff charge".

 

[pknopp]

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Thats a lot of chinese spying on the United States

Just another reason to keep china at arms length

I'm OK with that as long as we do the same.

I dont think we have the same chance to spy on china

Foreigners are closely watched in china and very few if any are allowed to work in the chinese defense industry

We spy on everyone.

 

[pknopp]

Tariffs are tax increases paid by American's...

That's funny, I just looked at my receipt and I don't see a tariff charge.

Please post an image of a receipt you have that has a line for "tariff charge".

If you want to be this ignorant that is on you.

 

[Zorro!]

You are arguing against a point no one is making. Companies are free to move to China, and Trump is free to charge tariffs for access to the finest consumer market the world has ever seen.

What is it that you are complaining about?

b

Trump demonizing the wrong entity. It is not the fault of the Chinese but the fault of the businesses that relocated there....

It's the goods they are producing there and selling here that are subject to tariffs, he is targeting exactly the right entity.

US corporations, located in China, are the folks conducting industrial espionage against us? Are you sure?

He is taxing the people who had nothing to do with the companies moving to China. There is no espionage...

Yes there is.

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
The following is a list of individuals who have been accused by the government of the United States of spying against the United States on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Contents

• 1Larry Wu-tai Chin
• 2Glenn Duffie Shriver
• 3Katrina Leung
• 4Peter Lee
• 5Chi Mak
• 6Moo Ko-Suen
• 7Wen Ho Lee
• 8Fei Ye and Ming Zhong
• 9Lan Lee and Yuefei Ge
• 10Gregg Bergersen and Tai Shen Kuo
• 11Anne Lockwood, Michael Haehnel, and Fuping Liu
• 12Bryan Underwood
• 13Bo Jiang
• 14Hua Jun Zhao
• 15Walter Liew
• 16Guoqing Cao and Shuyu Li
• 17Sherry Chen
• 18Xiaoxing Xi
• 19Szuhsiung Ho
• 20Edward C. Lin
• 21Kun Shan Chun
• 22Candace Marie Claiborne
• 23Kevin Mallory
• 24Jerry Chun Shing Lee
• 25Xu Jiaqiang
• 26Shuren Qin
• 27Ron Rockwell Hansen
• 28Ji Chaoqun
• 29Yanjun Xu
• 30Xudong Yao
• 31Yi-Chi Shih
• 32Yu Zhou and Li Chen
• 33Yujing Zhang
• 34Zhongsan Liu
• 35Xuehua Edward Peng

Thats a lot of chinese spying on the United States

Just another reason to keep china at arms length

There are a number of reasons to keep China at arms length. Look at how much plastic they throw in the oceans and how much pollution the discharge, it's funny how the Left is A.OK with these things that they would blow a gasket over if the US did it. The way they reflexively align with China in every US/China dispute is kinda weird.