Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[bripat9643]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

 

[bripat9643]

Once again supply and demand, get rid of 20 million illegals , wages would rise I would pick apples for $20 bucks an hour..


People still like apples, Apple pie, Apple whine , apple juice and who can ever ever eat pork chops with out Apple sauce?







.
.

you would be picking dingleberrys out of your crack because nobody is paying anyone $20 an hour to pick ANYTHING, and if they did you wouldn't be able to afford them.


man o man, RW's are morons.

Would lebron James still be making 4O million a year if 5,000 illegals come in to America that could play as good as him ?

Answer the question yes or No?


Would diamonds be as valuable as it is now , if soms one found a huge quarry of it the size of Alaska ?


Answer the question yes or no?

It's supply and demand get rid of 20 million illegals and wages/ benefits would go up for the poor workers ...



.

you dont get shit do you.


why does wmart pay min wage dumbass ? they have plenty of demand.


I actually saw an hour special on Florida Orange Growers. They dont pay by the hour. They pay by load, and workers have quotas. Your candy ass wouldn't last until lunch.

You still don't want to answer my questions?



Again why did some Walmarts and McDonald's a few years ago start off workers at $15 ~ $17 bucks an hour?


I will wait for you to ignore the questions again.


.

fuck mickey d's, we're talking about farm workers ...


Orange growers take bids from contractors to have an orchard harvested. The work is done on a timeline. Fruits and veggies are perishable. Low bid fastest harvest time gets the contract. Contractors hire workers to finish the job for x$ in xdays and leave enough on the table for them to make a profit. Its called price control, and the price is controlled from square one with the farmer on down the line to consumers.

now, go pick dingleberrys out of your ass.

That isn't price controls, moron. the laws of supply and demand are still in play. The contracts are based on what the price of labor is, not visa a versa.

Face it, you're incapable of committing logic.

 

[Never3ndr]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Thanks for regurgitating all the discredited Leftwing talking points. We have already heard them at least 1000 times, and we knew they were lies years ago. I won't even waste my time disputing them.

I like how you claim that there is no debate...I put up the "talking points" that are literally the center of the debate. And you stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears saying you aren't going to dispute them.

Seems like another normal post from our local anarchist. Ignoring anything that doesn't agree with your belief set.

 

[Never3ndr]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Once again supply and demand, get rid of 20 million illegals , wages would rise I would pick apples for $20 bucks an hour..


People still like apples, Apple pie, Apple whine , apple juice and who can ever ever eat pork chops with out Apple sauce?







.
.

Read my post, I actually address your point in there. In case you missed it...automation. If it can't be automated but can be outsourced...then it will be outsourced. Labor is a large part of costs for businesses and there is no reason to pay your happy ass $20 when they can have a machine do it or move it to place where they pay somebody $5. Again, when you see talk of raising the minimal wage you see a lot of counters by companies by having them start moving towards more automation. If you raise their labor costs, especially in low profit margin businesses, you force them to find new ways to decrease that labor cost...you don't necessarily force them to simply have the same labor force and raise consumer prices.

If you are a conservative this should actually play right into your correct counter to raising minimal wage...raise wages you raise unemployment it is one of the basics of economics, which it sounds like you may need a refresher in.

 

[bripat9643]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Thanks for regurgitating all the discredited Leftwing talking points. We have already heard them at least 1000 times, and we knew they were lies years ago. I won't even waste my time disputing them.

I like how you claim that there is no debate...I put up the "talking points" that are literally the center of the debate. And you stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears saying you aren't going to dispute them.

Seems like another normal post from our local anarchist. Ignoring anything that doesn't agree with your belief set.

You put up lies and bullshit that honest people have to knock down.

That's all. The fact that you refuse to lie down when you're dead doesn't make your lies "the center of the debate."

 

[charwin95]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Once again supply and demand, get rid of 20 million illegals , wages would rise I would pick apples for $20 bucks an hour..


People still like apples, Apple pie, Apple whine , apple juice and who can ever ever eat pork chops with out Apple sauce?

.
.

As always you don't what you are taking about. Try to be realistic. You have a job correcto? Are you saying ----------- that you are giving up your job and go work on those farms as part timers? How many Americans do you think are willing to take those jobs? Maybe by 100,000 at the minimum but not 20 millions.
Those lazy Americans that are on welfare or disability--------- Are they willing to give those up and look for babysitters, busses and other transportation to get to those farms or cleaning houses?
Can you please answer those questions?

 

[Never3ndr]

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Thanks for regurgitating all the discredited Leftwing talking points. We have already heard them at least 1000 times, and we knew they were lies years ago. I won't even waste my time disputing them.

I like how you claim that there is no debate...I put up the "talking points" that are literally the center of the debate. And you stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears saying you aren't going to dispute them.

Seems like another normal post from our local anarchist. Ignoring anything that doesn't agree with your belief set.

You put up lies and bullshit that honest people have to knock down.

That's all. The fact that you refuse to lie down when you're dead doesn't make your lies "the center of the debate."

You sound like a flat earther. Just because you don't believe that the counter points are "true" doesn't make your fantastical view of the world real. What it really means is that you are running away from a debate because you simply don't "believe" something rather working from a neutral standpoint, evaluating the facts, and THEN coming to an objective conclusion.

 

[Siete]

you would be picking dingleberrys out of your crack because nobody is paying anyone $20 an hour to pick ANYTHING, and if they did you wouldn't be able to afford them.


man o man, RW's are morons.

Would lebron James still be making 4O million a year if 5,000 illegals come in to America that could play as good as him ?

Answer the question yes or No?


Would diamonds be as valuable as it is now , if soms one found a huge quarry of it the size of Alaska ?


Answer the question yes or no?

It's supply and demand get rid of 20 million illegals and wages/ benefits would go up for the poor workers ...



.

you dont get shit do you.


why does wmart pay min wage dumbass ? they have plenty of demand.


I actually saw an hour special on Florida Orange Growers. They dont pay by the hour. They pay by load, and workers have quotas. Your candy ass wouldn't last until lunch.

You still don't want to answer my questions?



Again why did some Walmarts and McDonald's a few years ago start off workers at $15 ~ $17 bucks an hour?


I will wait for you to ignore the questions again.


.

fuck mickey d's, we're talking about farm workers ...


Orange growers take bids from contractors to have an orchard harvested. The work is done on a timeline. Fruits and veggies are perishable. Low bid fastest harvest time gets the contract. Contractors hire workers to finish the job for x$ in xdays and leave enough on the table for them to make a profit. Its called price control, and the price is controlled from square one with the farmer on down the line to consumers.

now, go pick dingleberrys out of your ass.

That isn't price controls, moron. the laws of supply and demand are still in play. The contracts are based on what the price of labor is, not visa a versa.

Face it, you're incapable of committing logic.

do you have any idea what price control is ?

ok, lets use Mickey D's, and supply/demand


if they didnt control the price of their product and stay competitive in the market they would go out of business ... they know down to the cent how much it costs them to sell a burger//get their products to the customer,// sell the products out the door cost, and what their margin is.


Gomer picks dingleberrys, and you eat them Bipatty.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Once again supply and demand, get rid of 20 million illegals , wages would rise I would pick apples for $20 bucks an hour..


People still like apples, Apple pie, Apple whine , apple juice and who can ever ever eat pork chops with out Apple sauce?

.
.

As always you don't what you are taking about. Try to be realistic. You have a job correcto? Are you saying ----------- that you are giving up your job and go work on those farms as part timers? How many Americans do you think are willing to take those jobs? Maybe by 100,000 at the minimum but not 20 millions.
Those lazy Americans that are on welfare or disability--------- Are they willing to give those up and look for babysitters, busses and other transportation to get to those farms or cleaning houses?
Can you please answer those questions?

Oh god this goes right over your head doesn't it?

I was using it as an example..



It goes for any low skilled job ....that used to pay good wages, with benefits ..

 

[Wyatt earp]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Thanks for regurgitating all the discredited Leftwing talking points. We have already heard them at least 1000 times, and we knew they were lies years ago. I won't even waste my time disputing them.

I like how you claim that there is no debate...I put up the "talking points" that are literally the center of the debate. And you stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears saying you aren't going to dispute them.

Seems like another normal post from our local anarchist. Ignoring anything that doesn't agree with your belief set.

Their is no debate ..if you pay someone enough money , you will have plenty of people that want the job...

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Would lebron James still be making 4O million a year if 5,000 illegals come in to America that could play as good as him ?

Answer the question yes or No?


Would diamonds be as valuable as it is now , if soms one found a huge quarry of it the size of Alaska ?


Answer the question yes or no?

It's supply and demand get rid of 20 million illegals and wages/ benefits would go up for the poor workers ...



.

you dont get shit do you.


why does wmart pay min wage dumbass ? they have plenty of demand.


I actually saw an hour special on Florida Orange Growers. They dont pay by the hour. They pay by load, and workers have quotas. Your candy ass wouldn't last until lunch.

You still don't want to answer my questions?



Again why did some Walmarts and McDonald's a few years ago start off workers at $15 ~ $17 bucks an hour?


I will wait for you to ignore the questions again.


.

fuck mickey d's, we're talking about farm workers ...


Orange growers take bids from contractors to have an orchard harvested. The work is done on a timeline. Fruits and veggies are perishable. Low bid fastest harvest time gets the contract. Contractors hire workers to finish the job for x$ in xdays and leave enough on the table for them to make a profit. Its called price control, and the price is controlled from square one with the farmer on down the line to consumers.

now, go pick dingleberrys out of your ass.

That isn't price controls, moron. the laws of supply and demand are still in play. The contracts are based on what the price of labor is, not visa a versa.

Face it, you're incapable of committing logic.

do you have any idea what price control is ?

ok, lets use Mickey D's, and supply/demand


if they didnt control the price of their product and stay competitive in the market they would go out of business ... they know down to the cent how much it costs them to sell a burger//get their products to the customer,// sell the products out the door cost, and what their margin is.


Gomer picks dingleberrys, and you eat them Bipatty.

Nope you refuse to acknowledge facts that it's based on the cost of labor..


.

 

[Never3ndr]

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Thanks for regurgitating all the discredited Leftwing talking points. We have already heard them at least 1000 times, and we knew they were lies years ago. I won't even waste my time disputing them.

I like how you claim that there is no debate...I put up the "talking points" that are literally the center of the debate. And you stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears saying you aren't going to dispute them.

Seems like another normal post from our local anarchist. Ignoring anything that doesn't agree with your belief set.

Their is no debate ..if you pay someone enough money , you will have plenty of people that want the job...

.

You referenced the basic supply and demand model in a previous post but it seems you actually have no clue what that model refers to. If you raise wages you increase labor supply, but you also DECREASE labor demand. What that equates to is that if your wages are high enough you may have a lot of people wanting to "pick apples." However, you won't find many companies that have job openings for that. They will automate those jobs or outsource them. You cannot reference a model where there are only two considerations (supply and demand) and totally ignore half of the model just because it doesn't fit your ideology. The least you could do is make some objective sense.

 

[danielpalos]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

We are First Worlders, and have to come up with a better excuse.

America has 5.8 million job openings

You can't have it, both ways.

 

[Unkotare]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

Perhaps you don't understand logic. Think about it again.

 

[Bush92]

Jobs program. Build that wall!

 

[charwin95]

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

Whether it benefits "the economy," a meangless abstractiin, isn't the issue. Whether it benefits American citizens is the issue, and clearly it doesn"t. Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Actually it is pretty damn debatable. Many illegal immigrants take jobs that American workers literally cannot take. Meaning they work hours, wages, and in conditions that no American worker would. For the rest of them, they take low paying jobs with minimal screening (like burger flipping, construction, or housekeeping). There is actually discussion to increase wages for these jobs to working wages, which would counteract the lower pressure on wages put on by the influx of low-skilled labor. You know what the corporation's answer for that is? Automation.

The reality is that the low skilled illegal and legal migrants from Mexico / central America puts a lot of pressure on our lower skilled labor pool. However, it also benefits absolutely every American citizen in the US with decreased labor costs...which, for those types of jobs, typically make up and extremely large portion of costs for a business. Assuming that you adhere to capitalism, this actually is just the marketplace at work. Americans should take advantage of the education system that those other places simply do not have. If they fail to take advantage of the free economic opportunity they are afforded, it is pretty straight forward that they should suffer the consequences.

Once again supply and demand, get rid of 20 million illegals , wages would rise I would pick apples for $20 bucks an hour..


People still like apples, Apple pie, Apple whine , apple juice and who can ever ever eat pork chops with out Apple sauce?

.
.

As always you don't what you are taking about. Try to be realistic. You have a job correcto? Are you saying ----------- that you are giving up your job and go work on those farms as part timers? How many Americans do you think are willing to take those jobs? Maybe by 100,000 at the minimum but not 20 millions.
Those lazy Americans that are on welfare or disability--------- Are they willing to give those up and look for babysitters, busses and other transportation to get to those farms or cleaning houses?
Can you please answer those questions?

Oh god this goes right over your head doesn't it?

I was using it as an example..



It goes for any low skilled job ....that used to pay good wages, with benefits ..

Aw shut the fuck up dude. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[bripat9643]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

Perhaps you don't understand logic. Think about it again.

I understand it as much as it's possible to understand it.

Tell us, if a job doesn't go to an immigrant, then who does it go to?

 

[danielpalos]

Jobs program. Build that wall!

Better aqueducts and better roads; even with gun lovers doing it on a for-profit basis!

 

[danielpalos]

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

Perhaps you don't understand logic. Think about it again.

I understand it as much as it's possible to understand it.

Tell us, if a job doesn't go to an immigrant, then who does it go to?

did you miss, "the memo"?

America has 5.8 million job openings

 

[Unkotare]

The only fact is the first number and that's probably low.

All studies of migrant workers have shown a benefit to the economy, especially in Texas.

So yet another ignorant bigot post bripig.

......Every immigrant takes an American job and lowers the wages paid to the rest. That fact simply isn't debatable.

Sent from my SM-G935P using USMessageBoard.com mobile app

Of course it is.

Only brain damaged morons would dispute it. Logically, it isn't disputable.

Perhaps you don't understand logic. Think about it again.

I understand it as much as it's possible to understand it.

Tell us, if a job doesn't go to an immigrant, then who does it go to?

Many go unfilled each year, genius.