Two America's...

[Dusty]

No it’s not.

Give an example.

List of countries by income equality - Wikipedia (look at the CIA Gini)

US is out on its own among the first world countries. The better countries in the world are more equal, they are happier and have less crime...

Socialism trickle up poor, trickle up misery

Sorry but on the happiness Idex

View attachment 507200

Beat France... Well Done... But the top is dominated by Nordic countries who are the least unequal in the world...

Leave fuckwad, no one is forcing you to be unhappy here, really you can go, get high and be happy until you die high.

God

Apparently a nation that cares for it’s poor is a terrible nation. A commie nation that the Empire must destroy.

A nation that cares only for it’s wealthy people, now that’s a nation to be admired.

Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor. Yippee.

You have let the fake news destroy you so badly that you are unintelligible. However how many people under the bridge employ others?

You are the one accepting fake news.

Yes let the poor starve, but make the rich get all the breaks.

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. Call your Mommy for help if you need

Oh brother. Stop watching Fox News dupe.

AOC and Warren are just as much owned by the wealthy as the rest of them. Have you even bothered to research their voting records? Do you know they’ve refused to support or promote any progressive legislation.

WAKE UP!

You should have called your Mommy for help

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. You are living in denial

You’re not getting this. You’re accepting propaganda.

Follow these facts my son…
The Squad and Warren voted for CARES. Demanding nothing like higher tax rates, $15 MW, or universal HC in a pandemic.

The Squad voted for $2 billion in more funding for capital police, while claiming they were for defunding the police.

Have they put fourth a bill raising taxes or even overturning Trump’s tax cuts. NO NO NO NO.

You are the one not getting what I have said which is that everything that you see and hear is fake, does not matter where you see or hear it........................

Could you please dispute anything I’ve stated?

Are you aware that the squad and Warren have no legislation in the works to raise taxes on the middle class? Please tell me you are.

Dude you are fully psychotic, but then all dumocraps like you are. The fact is that assholes like you believe everything that CNN spits out. Tell us how would Warren pay for medicare for all, including every shitfaced mexican, then pay for college for everyone including every shitfaced mexican without raising taxes on everyone. LOL Biden just admitted that he is raising taxes on the middle class, even while he is printing fake money so that the USA collapses into communism. So tell us how are any of these things paid for when the USA is borrowing trillions from China

Biden’s tax hikes include hidden costs on middle class, critics say

President Biden’s proposed tax increases on corporations and the wealthiest Americans get most of the attention, but numerous other proposals would affect a broader range of taxpayers, analysts say.

www.washingtontimes.com

Once again the personal attacks.

I don’t watch or read any MSM news reports, unlike you. I’m not a D nor an R, unlike you. My thousands of posts here clearly reflect this.

You’ve got some kind of mental block. The Ds are not proposing Medicare for all or even a $15 MW, though senile Joe campaigned on a $15 MW. He lies just like Trump, Ears, and W.

If you knew history you’d know there is no progressive movement in DC. None. The last progressive legislation was passed in the 1960s.

You get all your news from the deep state, but since you deny this you can not watch TV, or read any newspaper or periodical of any kind, nor can you talk to people who do these things. See you want to believe that you exist on the outside but this is impossible, unless the person is a schizzo that can be whatever they want

You’ve yet to dispute any of my points. I’ve posted here over tens and have been consistent about my positions. You are merely trolling.

You haven't made any points. Except the lie that democraps are going to increase spending by 100 trillion dollars without raising taxes. Note that this is not a point it is a delusion in your mind.

 

[LibertyKid]

The narrative that the ultra rich is the actual problem is false.
The problem that none of the narratives that are espoused by most of the MSM and politicians fails to discuss the life choices made that places those in poverty.

Every person, regardless of age, race, sexual orientation can wake up every day and make choices to better themselves. Or they can wake up everyday, look at what someone else has and be jealous/envious of what that person has or has attained and become bitter by it and then blame a "system" for where they find themselves. They choose not to ask what that person has done to achieve what that person has attained or the work they put into it, the effort and potential risks they faced. Instead, blaming economic systems, politicians, their employer, racism or anything else they can point to is what they choose to do.

That is the problem. Everyday we can choose to pursue happiness or we can choose to be bitter and angry about everything that is unfair with all the systems of the world. This country affords the ability to pursue whatever happiness we want. It is not guaranteed. And that is the problem. Some people feel that the happiness they see in others should be an automatic right to them as well, without the need to do anything for it.

 

[gipper]

No it’s not.

Give an example.

List of countries by income equality - Wikipedia (look at the CIA Gini)

US is out on its own among the first world countries. The better countries in the world are more equal, they are happier and have less crime...

Socialism trickle up poor, trickle up misery

Sorry but on the happiness Idex

View attachment 507200

Beat France... Well Done... But the top is dominated by Nordic countries who are the least unequal in the world...

Leave fuckwad, no one is forcing you to be unhappy here, really you can go, get high and be happy until you die high.

God

Apparently a nation that cares for it’s poor is a terrible nation. A commie nation that the Empire must destroy.

A nation that cares only for it’s wealthy people, now that’s a nation to be admired.

Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor. Yippee.

You have let the fake news destroy you so badly that you are unintelligible. However how many people under the bridge employ others?

You are the one accepting fake news.

Yes let the poor starve, but make the rich get all the breaks.

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. Call your Mommy for help if you need

Oh brother. Stop watching Fox News dupe.

AOC and Warren are just as much owned by the wealthy as the rest of them. Have you even bothered to research their voting records? Do you know they’ve refused to support or promote any progressive legislation.

WAKE UP!

You should have called your Mommy for help

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. You are living in denial

You’re not getting this. You’re accepting propaganda.

Follow these facts my son…
The Squad and Warren voted for CARES. Demanding nothing like higher tax rates, $15 MW, or universal HC in a pandemic.

The Squad voted for $2 billion in more funding for capital police, while claiming they were for defunding the police.

Have they put fourth a bill raising taxes or even overturning Trump’s tax cuts. NO NO NO NO.

You are the one not getting what I have said which is that everything that you see and hear is fake, does not matter where you see or hear it........................

Could you please dispute anything I’ve stated?

Are you aware that the squad and Warren have no legislation in the works to raise taxes on the middle class? Please tell me you are.

Dude you are fully psychotic, but then all dumocraps like you are. The fact is that assholes like you believe everything that CNN spits out. Tell us how would Warren pay for medicare for all, including every shitfaced mexican, then pay for college for everyone including every shitfaced mexican without raising taxes on everyone. LOL Biden just admitted that he is raising taxes on the middle class, even while he is printing fake money so that the USA collapses into communism. So tell us how are any of these things paid for when the USA is borrowing trillions from China

Biden’s tax hikes include hidden costs on middle class, critics say

President Biden’s proposed tax increases on corporations and the wealthiest Americans get most of the attention, but numerous other proposals would affect a broader range of taxpayers, analysts say.

www.washingtontimes.com

Once again the personal attacks.

I don’t watch or read any MSM news reports, unlike you. I’m not a D nor an R, unlike you. My thousands of posts here clearly reflect this.

You’ve got some kind of mental block. The Ds are not proposing Medicare for all or even a $15 MW, though senile Joe campaigned on a $15 MW. He lies just like Trump, Ears, and W.

If you knew history you’d know there is no progressive movement in DC. None. The last progressive legislation was passed in the 1960s.

You get all your news from the deep state, but since you deny this you can not watch TV, or read any newspaper or periodical of any kind, nor can you talk to people who do these things. See you want to believe that you exist on the outside but this is impossible, unless the person is a schizzo that can be whatever they want

You’ve yet to dispute any of my points. I’ve posted here over tens and have been consistent about my positions. You are merely trolling.

You haven't made any points. Except the lie that democraps are going to increase spending by 100 trillion dollars without raising taxes. Note that this is not a point it is a delusion in your mind.

Apparently you missed the news on W and dumb Don blowing up the national debt, just as Ears did and senile Joe will do.

Do you see it yet?

Republicans = Democrats = war, imperialism, lots of benefits for the ultra rich

 

[gipper]

The narrative that the ultra rich is the actual problem is false.
The problem that none of the narratives that are espoused by most of the MSM and politicians fails to discuss the life choices made that places those in poverty.

Every person, regardless of age, race, sexual orientation can wake up every day and make choices to better themselves. Or they can wake up everyday, look at what someone else has and be jealous/envious of what that person has or has attained and become bitter by it and then blame a "system" for where they find themselves. They choose not to ask what that person has done to achieve what that person has attained or the work they put into it, the effort and potential risks they faced. Instead, blaming economic systems, politicians, their employer, racism or anything else they can point to is what they choose to do.

That is the problem. Everyday we can choose to pursue happiness or we can choose to be bitter and angry about everything that is unfair with all the systems of the world. This country affords the ability to pursue whatever happiness we want. It is not guaranteed. And that is the problem. Some people feel that the happiness they see in others should be an automatic right to them as well, without the need to do anything for it.

Nice words but entirely inaccurate. The country no longer offers opportunities for all. The poor get railroaded in numerous ways and the rich get lots of benefits and protection. We are rapidly becoming a failed state.

 

[Hum Dinger]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

 

[Concerned American]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

 

[Dusty]

No it’s not.

Give an example.

List of countries by income equality - Wikipedia (look at the CIA Gini)

US is out on its own among the first world countries. The better countries in the world are more equal, they are happier and have less crime...

Socialism trickle up poor, trickle up misery

Sorry but on the happiness Idex

View attachment 507200

Beat France... Well Done... But the top is dominated by Nordic countries who are the least unequal in the world...

Leave fuckwad, no one is forcing you to be unhappy here, really you can go, get high and be happy until you die high.

God

Apparently a nation that cares for it’s poor is a terrible nation. A commie nation that the Empire must destroy.

A nation that cares only for it’s wealthy people, now that’s a nation to be admired.

Socialism for the rich. Capitalism for the poor. Yippee.

You have let the fake news destroy you so badly that you are unintelligible. However how many people under the bridge employ others?

You are the one accepting fake news.

Yes let the poor starve, but make the rich get all the breaks.

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. Call your Mommy for help if you need

Oh brother. Stop watching Fox News dupe.

AOC and Warren are just as much owned by the wealthy as the rest of them. Have you even bothered to research their voting records? Do you know they’ve refused to support or promote any progressive legislation.

WAKE UP!

You should have called your Mommy for help

What you fail to see is that you are rich and that AOC and Warren will take everything that you own to feed the poor who will eat but still be poor, the difference is that you will now also be poor.

So that plan fails. You are living in denial

You’re not getting this. You’re accepting propaganda.

Follow these facts my son…
The Squad and Warren voted for CARES. Demanding nothing like higher tax rates, $15 MW, or universal HC in a pandemic.

The Squad voted for $2 billion in more funding for capital police, while claiming they were for defunding the police.

Have they put fourth a bill raising taxes or even overturning Trump’s tax cuts. NO NO NO NO.

You are the one not getting what I have said which is that everything that you see and hear is fake, does not matter where you see or hear it........................

Could you please dispute anything I’ve stated?

Are you aware that the squad and Warren have no legislation in the works to raise taxes on the middle class? Please tell me you are.

Dude you are fully psychotic, but then all dumocraps like you are. The fact is that assholes like you believe everything that CNN spits out. Tell us how would Warren pay for medicare for all, including every shitfaced mexican, then pay for college for everyone including every shitfaced mexican without raising taxes on everyone. LOL Biden just admitted that he is raising taxes on the middle class, even while he is printing fake money so that the USA collapses into communism. So tell us how are any of these things paid for when the USA is borrowing trillions from China

Biden’s tax hikes include hidden costs on middle class, critics say

President Biden’s proposed tax increases on corporations and the wealthiest Americans get most of the attention, but numerous other proposals would affect a broader range of taxpayers, analysts say.

www.washingtontimes.com

Once again the personal attacks.

I don’t watch or read any MSM news reports, unlike you. I’m not a D nor an R, unlike you. My thousands of posts here clearly reflect this.

You’ve got some kind of mental block. The Ds are not proposing Medicare for all or even a $15 MW, though senile Joe campaigned on a $15 MW. He lies just like Trump, Ears, and W.

If you knew history you’d know there is no progressive movement in DC. None. The last progressive legislation was passed in the 1960s.

You get all your news from the deep state, but since you deny this you can not watch TV, or read any newspaper or periodical of any kind, nor can you talk to people who do these things. See you want to believe that you exist on the outside but this is impossible, unless the person is a schizzo that can be whatever they want

You’ve yet to dispute any of my points. I’ve posted here over tens and have been consistent about my positions. You are merely trolling.

You haven't made any points. Except the lie that democraps are going to increase spending by 100 trillion dollars without raising taxes. Note that this is not a point it is a delusion in your mind.

Apparently you missed the news on W and dumb Don blowing up the national debt, just as Ears did and senile Joe will do.

Do you see it yet?

Republicans = Democrats = war, imperialism, lots of benefits for the ultra rich

What exactly are you besides a fraud that claims to be nothing? You are clearly something, perhaps useless military intel, or a chinky or a rusky?

Is Tass your news or perhaps Xinhua perhaps

 

[gipper]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

 

[Dusty]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

Then stop ignoring it and start cooking free dinners for the illegals. Or do you expect me to pay for that.

 

[LibertyKid]

The narrative that the ultra rich is the actual problem is false.
The problem that none of the narratives that are espoused by most of the MSM and politicians fails to discuss the life choices made that places those in poverty.

Every person, regardless of age, race, sexual orientation can wake up every day and make choices to better themselves. Or they can wake up everyday, look at what someone else has and be jealous/envious of what that person has or has attained and become bitter by it and then blame a "system" for where they find themselves. They choose not to ask what that person has done to achieve what that person has attained or the work they put into it, the effort and potential risks they faced. Instead, blaming economic systems, politicians, their employer, racism or anything else they can point to is what they choose to do.

That is the problem. Everyday we can choose to pursue happiness or we can choose to be bitter and angry about everything that is unfair with all the systems of the world. This country affords the ability to pursue whatever happiness we want. It is not guaranteed. And that is the problem. Some people feel that the happiness they see in others should be an automatic right to them as well, without the need to do anything for it.

Nice words but entirely inaccurate. The country no longer offers opportunities for all. The poor get railroaded in numerous ways and the rich get lots of benefits and protection. We are rapidly becoming a failed state.

Please provide an example where this country doesn't offer opportunities for all?
Please provide examples of poverty railroads?
Please define "Rich" in monetary annual incomes.

 

[LibertyKid]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

 

[Concerned American]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

I have worked with people who would actually spend 20-30 minutes telling me why they couldn't find the time to do a five minute job.

 

[gipper]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Those who seek to divide us for their own gain are winning.
And we're playing along, like obedient little bunnies.

And you are one of them

You're free to explain!

LOL the fact is that you feel entitled to an explanation that I as a free American do not owe you.

But you keep waiting and eating your popcorn fatty

Exactly what Trump thinks.

Hillary Clinton: “The only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax.”
Donald Trump: “That makes me smart.”

Such a "patriot".

Was it legal? Yes. End of discussion.

The IRS is still auditing his returns, 5 years later, so who knows.
The SDNY is investigating, we will find out.

Wrong the IRS has audited Trump for the last 30 years and never found anything, but you keep on lubing your anus with KY

So, the SDNY has the tax dodger's, crooked tax returns now.
Keep lubing your anus with Trump's orange lube.

Again the IRS always had those returns under Obama and Clinton and found nothing wrong. See kid poor slobs like you break the law, Trump is not smarter than you he is smarter than you can even imagine. So have you ever legally made 1 to 100 million dollars a day?

So again NY has nothing except Andrew Mengele Cuomos murdered nursing home residents

Is that what the lying moron claimed?
The grifter may have laundered that much, for Russia.

Clinton and Obama released their tax returns.
The lying, orange tax dodger never did.

Keep dreaming and while you are dreaming pretend that you are not the moron who wants to pay more taxes.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Then sweep out the trailer

"Want to pay more taxes"?

It isn't a choice, idiot, I just do, every single year, thanks to tax dodgers, like Trump.

The only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax," Clinton said.

Trump quickly retorted: "That makes me smart."

Trump takes legal loopholes that Congress writes in there. Every rich person out there spends money to save on paying taxes. Warren Buffet spends millions, you want to know why because the millions he spends saves him more otherwise he wouldn’t do it.

The problem isn’t the rich, it is those that write the laws that benefit the rich. The rich take the legal deductions that Congress allows. So you want to blame anyone for paying more in taxes and the rich paying less, talk to your Congressma. The rich writing the laws for the rich, that is how we got here today.

Remember Buffet touting they needed to raise the income taxes on the rich? He is the deal, he was pushing for higher taxes on earned income, not unearned income. Unearned income is where are the lucrative tax deductions are, earned income is for most of America. When Biden spouts that he wants to raise taxes on those making over $400,000, he says nothing about tightening and eliminating deductions and that is where the rich have it over the rest of Americans.

The two parties have worked well over the decades to protect and grow our money. Obama was president over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history, it was recently topped by Trump during the pandemic and now it is going to be dwarfed this year under Biden. It doesn’t matter who is President or who is in Congress, the rich are for the rich not you or I.

At least Biden is trying to help the middle class and working people.
So did Obama.
Trump didn't even try.

December 24 2017
President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier.
The president has spent many weekends of his presidency so far at the "Winter White House," where initiation fees cost $200,000, annual dues cost $14,000, and some of the most affluent members of society have the opportunity to interact with the president in a setting while many Americans cannot.

We will see if Trump took "legal" loopholes to avoid paying taxes.

At least? At least? You only believe what the press tells you, got it.

The tax cuts did nothing to transfer wealth. Remember Obama’s too big to fail? The veto proof TARP was the greatest transfer of wealth at that time. Then he promised he’d go after the rich that got us to that point? Never happened.

Then last year under the veto proof CARES act, became what was then the greatest transfer of wealth, again the American people got the leftover bones to pick the meat off of and the rich took everything else. Then Biden signed the next round of CARES that wasn’t really needed but guess again, what he signed was the greatest transfer of wealth of all time. Most of this round went to the rich. We did get more scraps but the bulk went to the rich.

it you are happy because Obama and Biden at least tired to help the middle class and poor.

If you are okay with these power of wealth transfers because at least you fell someone is trying , you are exactly who the rich and the two parties love.

Me I want real change and real transfer of wealth back to the American people, not the rues that taxing the rich will solve everything. Not felling good because we fell a politician is at least pretending to try. Partisans are all pretty stupid when they yell, “but the other guy”.

So you do not believe the press. Then where do you get your info?

Let me clarify, I dont take what one source says at face value. I read MSM and then slightly left and right views. Then use logic to try to get the real story. Smokin seems to believe that the Trump tax cuts were a great transfer of wealth, they weren’t if fact it made no dent in the rich getting richer. It wasn’t true. He believed what he was fed by the press.

So, you believe Trump?

“Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what's happening,” he said. “Just stick with us. Don’t believe the crap you see from these people — the fake news.”​

Yeah, the beacon of TRUTH.​

Where did I say that and how in the hell did you get that out of what I wrote? It seems you believed Trump, I went by actual events. Trumps tax cuts did not make the rich that much richer. TARP and the CARES made the rich a lot richer. Guess who in Congress passed it? It was Democrats and Republicans, those are the two parties responsible for the greatest transfers in wealth in human history. Your BS that Biden at least tried is utter BS. He threw us bread crumbs and the rest of them dined on Caviar, steak and lobster. You have been conned and you are happy about it.

Not according to Trump, he bragged about it.
December 24 2017
President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier.

President Donald Trump and others in the administration have been making the “largest tax cut” claim for months. We wrote about a Trump-for-president campaign committee TV ad that made the claim in May. The president made the boast again on Sept. 27, the day the White House and GOP leaders released the framework of their tax plan, and, among many other examples, he repeated it on Twitter on Oct. 18, saying: “Hopefully, all Senate Republicans will vote for the largest Tax Cuts in U.S. history.” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders tweeted the talking point 10 days later.
$1.5 trillion.
TARP-$700 billion.

As of 2018, TARP didn't cost the taxpayers anything. Instead, the Treasury received $3 billion more than the $439.6 billion it disbursed. Of that, $376.4 billion was repaid by the banks, auto companies, and AIG.


The U.S. Treasury made a profit of $66.2 billion from these companies because it bought shares of the companies when prices were low and sold them when prices were high. The Treasury made $5 billion on its TARP fund investment in AIG alone.

You got conned by an orange, retard.

So you believe what Trump says and not actual facts. Thanks. If the $700 billion were all the actually got, you may have a point but it did so much more than just move $700 billion, it was much, much worse and it fundamentally changed the divide so that it could not close the gap. Now, you can believe whatever Trump said but the facts don’t agree with you and again you are duped by Trump, what a big surprise.

Wall Street's greatest heist: the Tarp | Dean Baker

Dean Baker: The notion that without the $700bn bailout we would be reduced to bartering was a ruse by the banks to get taxpayers' money

www.theguardian.com

A Tale of Two Recoveries: Wealth Inequality After the Great Recession

Economic inequality has long been a fact of American life. And for many years, a certain level of inequality was accepted, even encouraged, as

tcf.org

Secret and Lies of the Bailout

The federal rescue of Wall Street didn’t fix the economy – it created a permanent bailout state based on a Ponzi-like confidence scheme. And the worst

www.rollingstone.com

The CARES Act is much worse, and TARP set it up, and because we got breads crumbs, you are happy. We again have been duped and we don’t even know how badly the Republicans and Democrats screwed us over. We are so happy we got unemployment relief and $ 3200 in stimulus. We are really damn stupid. Now gone on and defend your petty partisan BS politics while we are blindly being robbed.

Those who seek to divide us for their own gain are winning.
And we're playing along, like obedient little bunnies.

And you are one of them

You're free to explain!

LOL the fact is that you feel entitled to an explanation that I as a free American do not owe you.

But you keep waiting and eating your popcorn fatty

Exactly what Trump thinks.

Hillary Clinton: “The only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax.”
Donald Trump: “That makes me smart.”

Such a "patriot".

Was it legal? Yes. End of discussion.

The IRS is still auditing his returns, 5 years later, so who knows.
The SDNY is investigating, we will find out.

Wrong the IRS has audited Trump for the last 30 years and never found anything, but you keep on lubing your anus with KY

So, the SDNY has the tax dodger's, crooked tax returns now.
Keep lubing your anus with Trump's orange lube.

Again the IRS always had those returns under Obama and Clinton and found nothing wrong. See kid poor slobs like you break the law, Trump is not smarter than you he is smarter than you can even imagine. So have you ever legally made 1 to 100 million dollars a day?

So again NY has nothing except Andrew Mengele Cuomos murdered nursing home residents

Is that what the lying moron claimed?
The grifter may have laundered that much, for Russia.

Clinton and Obama released their tax returns.
The lying, orange tax dodger never did.

Keep dreaming and while you are dreaming pretend that you are not the moron who wants to pay more taxes.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Then sweep out the trailer

"Want to pay more taxes"?

It isn't a choice, idiot, I just do, every single year, thanks to tax dodgers, like Trump.

The only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax," Clinton said.

Trump quickly retorted: "That makes me smart."

Trump takes legal loopholes that Congress writes in there. Every rich person out there spends money to save on paying taxes. Warren Buffet spends millions, you want to know why because the millions he spends saves him more otherwise he wouldn’t do it.

The problem isn’t the rich, it is those that write the laws that benefit the rich. The rich take the legal deductions that Congress allows. So you want to blame anyone for paying more in taxes and the rich paying less, talk to your Congressma. The rich writing the laws for the rich, that is how we got here today.

Remember Buffet touting they needed to raise the income taxes on the rich? He is the deal, he was pushing for higher taxes on earned income, not unearned income. Unearned income is where are the lucrative tax deductions are, earned income is for most of America. When Biden spouts that he wants to raise taxes on those making over $400,000, he says nothing about tightening and eliminating deductions and that is where the rich have it over the rest of Americans.

The two parties have worked well over the decades to protect and grow our money. Obama was president over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history, it was recently topped by Trump during the pandemic and now it is going to be dwarfed this year under Biden. It doesn’t matter who is President or who is in Congress, the rich are for the rich not you or I.

At least Biden is trying to help the middle class and working people.
So did Obama.
Trump didn't even try.

December 24 2017
President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier.
The president has spent many weekends of his presidency so far at the "Winter White House," where initiation fees cost $200,000, annual dues cost $14,000, and some of the most affluent members of society have the opportunity to interact with the president in a setting while many Americans cannot.

We will see if Trump took "legal" loopholes to avoid paying taxes.

At least? At least? You only believe what the press tells you, got it.

The tax cuts did nothing to transfer wealth. Remember Obama’s too big to fail? The veto proof TARP was the greatest transfer of wealth at that time. Then he promised he’d go after the rich that got us to that point? Never happened.

Then last year under the veto proof CARES act, became what was then the greatest transfer of wealth, again the American people got the leftover bones to pick the meat off of and the rich took everything else. Then Biden signed the next round of CARES that wasn’t really needed but guess again, what he signed was the greatest transfer of wealth of all time. Most of this round went to the rich. We did get more scraps but the bulk went to the rich.

it you are happy because Obama and Biden at least tired to help the middle class and poor.

If you are okay with these power of wealth transfers because at least you fell someone is trying , you are exactly who the rich and the two parties love.

Me I want real change and real transfer of wealth back to the American people, not the rues that taxing the rich will solve everything. Not felling good because we fell a politician is at least pretending to try. Partisans are all pretty stupid when they yell, “but the other guy”.

So you do not believe the press. Then where do you get your info?

Let me clarify, I dont take what one source says at face value. I read MSM and then slightly left and right views. Then use logic to try to get the real story. Smokin seems to believe that the Trump tax cuts were a great transfer of wealth, they weren’t if fact it made no dent in the rich getting richer. It wasn’t true. He believed what he was fed by the press.

So, you believe Trump?

“Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what's happening,” he said. “Just stick with us. Don’t believe the crap you see from these people — the fake news.”​

Yeah, the beacon of TRUTH.​

Where did I say that and how in the hell did you get that out of what I wrote? It seems you believed Trump, I went by actual events. Trumps tax cuts did not make the rich that much richer. TARP and the CARES made the rich a lot richer. Guess who in Congress passed it? It was Democrats and Republicans, those are the two parties responsible for the greatest transfers in wealth in human history. Your BS that Biden at least tried is utter BS. He threw us bread crumbs and the rest of them dined on Caviar, steak and lobster. You have been conned and you are happy about it.

Not according to Trump, he bragged about it.
December 24 2017
President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier.

President Donald Trump and others in the administration have been making the “largest tax cut” claim for months. We wrote about a Trump-for-president campaign committee TV ad that made the claim in May. The president made the boast again on Sept. 27, the day the White House and GOP leaders released the framework of their tax plan, and, among many other examples, he repeated it on Twitter on Oct. 18, saying: “Hopefully, all Senate Republicans will vote for the largest Tax Cuts in U.S. history.” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders tweeted the talking point 10 days later.
$1.5 trillion.
TARP-$700 billion.

As of 2018, TARP didn't cost the taxpayers anything. Instead, the Treasury received $3 billion more than the $439.6 billion it disbursed. Of that, $376.4 billion was repaid by the banks, auto companies, and AIG.


The U.S. Treasury made a profit of $66.2 billion from these companies because it bought shares of the companies when prices were low and sold them when prices were high. The Treasury made $5 billion on its TARP fund investment in AIG alone.

You got conned by an orange, retard.

So you believe what Trump says and not actual facts. Thanks. If the $700 billion were all the actually got, you may have a point but it did so much more than just move $700 billion, it was much, much worse and it fundamentally changed the divide so that it could not close the gap. Now, you can believe whatever Trump said but the facts don’t agree with you and again you are duped by Trump, what a big surprise.

Wall Street's greatest heist: the Tarp | Dean Baker

Dean Baker: The notion that without the $700bn bailout we would be reduced to bartering was a ruse by the banks to get taxpayers' money

www.theguardian.com

A Tale of Two Recoveries: Wealth Inequality After the Great Recession

Economic inequality has long been a fact of American life. And for many years, a certain level of inequality was accepted, even encouraged, as

tcf.org

Secret and Lies of the Bailout

The federal rescue of Wall Street didn’t fix the economy – it created a permanent bailout state based on a Ponzi-like confidence scheme. And the worst

www.rollingstone.com

The CARES Act is much worse, and TARP set it up, and because we got breads crumbs, you are happy. We again have been duped and we don’t even know how badly the Republicans and Democrats screwed us over. We are so happy we got unemployment relief and $ 3200 in stimulus. We are really damn stupid. Now gone on and defend your petty partisan BS politics while we are blindly being robbed.

Right, the proof is in the pudding, republicans have been the only party, since Reagan to create and push for corporate tax cuts.
The US went from a creditor nation to a debtor nation and has gone downhill ever since.
The tax cuts, Reagans, both Bush's and Trump's dwarf every single proposal put forth ever.

Guess what? The D potus’ who followed the R potus’ kept the tax cuts. O did and now old Joe has too.

Can we conclude both parties are complicit?

So far, we'll see if Biden does indeed keep them.

 

[LibertyKid]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

No... they can fix their mistakes, which is part of the point, which you have chosen to ignore and go to a hyperbolic argument.

However, the narrative that minimum wage increases, increased taxes on the ultra rich and raising corporate tax rates is not always the best solution.

More of the point is that those that make poor choices, continue to make the same poor choices.

For example: The narrative is "Raise minimum wage" as a solution to get people out of poverty. If people are irresponsible with what money they currently have, giving them more doesn't necessarily fix the issue if they continue to make poor choices with more money. Do you give a gambling addict more money to fix their issues? No you give them therapy. Give a man a fish, they feed for the day, teach a man to fish they eat for a lifetime.

Part of the solution, for those that want to, is to teach and train skills that allow our population to become productive citizens. Isn't that better than taking from those that have already chosen that path?

 

[gipper]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

No... they can fix their mistakes, which is part of the point, which you have chosen to ignore and go to a hyperbolic argument.

However, the narrative that minimum wage increases, increased taxes on the ultra rich and raising corporate tax rates is not always the best solution.

More of the point is that those that make poor choices, continue to make the same poor choices.

For example: The narrative is "Raise minimum wage" as a solution to get people out of poverty. If people are irresponsible with what money they currently have, giving them more doesn't necessarily fix the issue if they continue to make poor choices with more money. Do you give a gambling addict more money to fix their issues? No you give them therapy. Give a man a fish, they feed for the day, teach a man to fish they eat for a lifetime.

Part of the solution, for those that want to, is to teach and train skills that allow our population to become productive citizens. Isn't that better than taking from those that have already chosen that path?

What you fail to recognize is a number of aspects to human life and behavior. We all make mistakes and some of us never learn from our mistakes. I would rather we help these people overcome their mistakes, while you want these people to suffer a lifetime of poverty and stress.

Secondly, I was born on second base like many middle class Americans. I had hard working loving stable parents who guided me. I lived in a nice safe clean environment where the government schools were effective. This allowed me a great start in life.

Let’s drop you into any inner city in America, give you a mother on drugs and no father, crime and drugs surround you, home life is crazy and erratic with no direction. Your government school fails to teach you anything.

Then let’s see how you do.

 

[LibertyKid]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

No... they can fix their mistakes, which is part of the point, which you have chosen to ignore and go to a hyperbolic argument.

However, the narrative that minimum wage increases, increased taxes on the ultra rich and raising corporate tax rates is not always the best solution.

More of the point is that those that make poor choices, continue to make the same poor choices.

For example: The narrative is "Raise minimum wage" as a solution to get people out of poverty. If people are irresponsible with what money they currently have, giving them more doesn't necessarily fix the issue if they continue to make poor choices with more money. Do you give a gambling addict more money to fix their issues? No you give them therapy. Give a man a fish, they feed for the day, teach a man to fish they eat for a lifetime.

Part of the solution, for those that want to, is to teach and train skills that allow our population to become productive citizens. Isn't that better than taking from those that have already chosen that path?

What you fail to recognize is a number of aspects to human life and behavior. We all make mistakes and some of us never learn from our mistakes. I would rather we help these people overcome their mistakes, while you want these people to suffer a lifetime of poverty and stress.

Secondly, I was born on second base like many middle class Americans. I had hard working loving stable parents who guided me. I lived in a nice safe clean environment where the government schools were effective. This allowed me a great start in life.

Let’s drop you into any inner city in America, give you a mother on drugs and no father, crime and drugs surround you, home life is crazy and erratic with no direction. Your government school fails to teach you anything.

Then let’s see how you do.

I don't deny any of those factors. They are real, absolute. But what is your solution? How do you fix it?

By the way, I was raised by my great-grandmother who lived on a fixed income of 700.00 a month.
My parents were fuck ups and made terrible decisions that they refused to address and learn from.
I made terrible financial decisions when I was young and dropped out of college.
Got married young and started a family way too soon.
However, I fixed those problems. Decided to go back to school and finish. Got my degree. Fixed and didn't repeat bad financial decisions. Now have a good career. I'm not rich, but doing okay. I don't look at the rich as a problem, as they have never directly impacted me but only inspired to know there is a way out that can be done correctly.

Nor, did my family ever go on any government assistance nor did we ever cry that life is not fair and blame someone else.

 

[gipper]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

No... they can fix their mistakes, which is part of the point, which you have chosen to ignore and go to a hyperbolic argument.

However, the narrative that minimum wage increases, increased taxes on the ultra rich and raising corporate tax rates is not always the best solution.

More of the point is that those that make poor choices, continue to make the same poor choices.

For example: The narrative is "Raise minimum wage" as a solution to get people out of poverty. If people are irresponsible with what money they currently have, giving them more doesn't necessarily fix the issue if they continue to make poor choices with more money. Do you give a gambling addict more money to fix their issues? No you give them therapy. Give a man a fish, they feed for the day, teach a man to fish they eat for a lifetime.

Part of the solution, for those that want to, is to teach and train skills that allow our population to become productive citizens. Isn't that better than taking from those that have already chosen that path?

What you fail to recognize is a number of aspects to human life and behavior. We all make mistakes and some of us never learn from our mistakes. I would rather we help these people overcome their mistakes, while you want these people to suffer a lifetime of poverty and stress.

Secondly, I was born on second base like many middle class Americans. I had hard working loving stable parents who guided me. I lived in a nice safe clean environment where the government schools were effective. This allowed me a great start in life.

Let’s drop you into any inner city in America, give you a mother on drugs and no father, crime and drugs surround you, home life is crazy and erratic with no direction. Your government school fails to teach you anything.

Then let’s see how you do.

I don't deny any of those factors. They are real, absolute. But what is your solution? How do you fix it?

One thing is certain, continuing the current structure isn’t working. The US breeds generations of people who are dysfunctional. This leads to all sorts of societal problems. These problems effect us all. Unfortunately few seem to recognize this.

 

[LibertyKid]

"Nobody ever got rich working for a living"!

Nobody ever got rich sitting on their lazy ass and whining. BTW, rich is a relative term. The poorest person in the US is rich by the standards of someone earning $1/day.

Is that a justification for continuing the status quo? We have millions living in poverty or near poverty. You can chose to ignore this, but I can’t.

But many of the millions, if not the majority, can only point the finger at themselves for the life choices they made. Personal culpability is no longer part of the narrative. It's not the ultra rich that are the problem nor the mechanisms by which they have obtained their wealth.

Who's to blame for the high school dropout that has no skill set, either white or blue collar, and finds their choice of work limited = or just slight better than minimum wage because they chose not to do anything with their education?

Who's to blame for the single mother, who understands how reproduction works, and has =<2 kids, continues to repeat the same acts, and now has to rely on a welfare system for income and basic needs?

Who's to blame for the father of the above scenarios who only cares about getting his rocks off, no education, fathers multiple children, doesn't pay a damn in child support, but living off the welfare system... if possible because of child support.

Who's to blame of the person that decided crime was a good option for future professional and financial gains but now can only work minimum wage jobs because of a criminal history that has impacted their job opportunities

Who's to blame for the person that has employment skills and experience, but had made poor financial choices and lived beyond their means?

Who's to blame for the 20+ something adult child who cries about the broken system but does nothing to better themselves while smoking weed and playing video games all day, but finds time to protest their wage at Walmart, McD's or **Insert another employer to be blamed for someone else's life choices**.

Now, there are actual people, who need help due to mental or medical issues beyond their control.
However, if you find yourself not happy about your life situation. Go make your own happiness. THis is what this country was founded on. Instead of bitching about the rich and broken systems, find out what those people did to get rich. Found out what they had to do to get where they are. Learn something. Teach yourself something. Go back to school, or learn a trade.

So many opportunities exist, but most just want to bitch about what they don't have and why they don't have it.

So in other words, people who make mistakes are fucked in your world. Why so long winded, when you could have just stated it as I did?

No... they can fix their mistakes, which is part of the point, which you have chosen to ignore and go to a hyperbolic argument.

However, the narrative that minimum wage increases, increased taxes on the ultra rich and raising corporate tax rates is not always the best solution.

More of the point is that those that make poor choices, continue to make the same poor choices.

For example: The narrative is "Raise minimum wage" as a solution to get people out of poverty. If people are irresponsible with what money they currently have, giving them more doesn't necessarily fix the issue if they continue to make poor choices with more money. Do you give a gambling addict more money to fix their issues? No you give them therapy. Give a man a fish, they feed for the day, teach a man to fish they eat for a lifetime.

Part of the solution, for those that want to, is to teach and train skills that allow our population to become productive citizens. Isn't that better than taking from those that have already chosen that path?

What you fail to recognize is a number of aspects to human life and behavior. We all make mistakes and some of us never learn from our mistakes. I would rather we help these people overcome their mistakes, while you want these people to suffer a lifetime of poverty and stress.

Secondly, I was born on second base like many middle class Americans. I had hard working loving stable parents who guided me. I lived in a nice safe clean environment where the government schools were effective. This allowed me a great start in life.

Let’s drop you into any inner city in America, give you a mother on drugs and no father, crime and drugs surround you, home life is crazy and erratic with no direction. Your government school fails to teach you anything.

Then let’s see how you do.

I don't deny any of those factors. They are real, absolute. But what is your solution? How do you fix it?

One thing is certain, continuing the current structure isn’t working. The US breeds generations of people who are dysfunctional. This leads to all sorts of societal problems. These problems effect us all. Unfortunately few seem to recognize this.

I don't disagree with that. But, the US doesn't breed, people breed. People carry on generational, cultural habits.

I don't think the issue is a systemic structural problem as it is more of a "Cultural" issue and sub-cultural paradigm that exists. Let's call a spade a spade. There are sub-cultures that exist in our society that do not contribute to our society. They create these "ghettos" (Not necessarily African American) where this culture exists outside productive societal norms. Within these sub cultures we see rampant welfare use, unemployment, single parents, crime, addictions... etc.,
However, everyone, everyday has the ability to look at their situation (who is at least old enough to do so), and can choose to continue down that path or make a change. The rich aren't the problem. Systemic Racism isn't the problem. Historical Racism (despite how terrible it was) isn't the problem.

 

[Hum Dinger]

"Society NEEDS it's ditch diggers"!!!