UAW Thugs Bully and Intimidate Non-Union Workers

[FA_Q2]

I do not need a job as I am self employed.

I was on an plane flying that never made it to it's intended destination as the union wanted the pilots to strike vs taking care of the passengers on the plane. And that was from European Union. The union mentality is not much different around the world, that I have noticed.

And in my area there are many good paying non-union jobs if I chose to go that route. With my background I can get a good non-union paying job pretty easily.

I would not condemn someone for taking a union job if that is all is available, but generally that means they live in a blue area.

That is why I am for real freedom of choice.

your dodging the question Kosh.....

AM I dodging a hypothetical question designed in an unrealistic scenario for me?

Kosh i dont care if your a fucking Millionaire....its a simple question for anti-Union people....if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION..... .but dont feel bad,if you notice none of the anti-union people here have said anything.....i asked this before in a Union thread were i was being pushed around a circle by the anti-union people....no one answered the question in that one.....which told me....they would,but were waiting to see who would be the first one to reply......like i said.....silence.....at least you said something....

If I needed the job, yes I would take it. When you have a great need, you do a lot of things that you would otherwise not want to do.

What is your point with this question?

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

 

[Clementine]

Unions can be good or bad and it is each persons personal experience. I'm not sure why the people that work for unions want to force me to take a union job? I have no interest.

I have no interest in forcing you to take a Union job. However, I will fight tooth and nail if you come into the company I work for and try to do my job. If it's a Union job don't apply for it unless you're willing to join the Union.

Yea, you would rather people do without jobs if they can't do it your way. It should be up to the company who they want to hire and not overbearing greedy unions.

 

[initforme]

Workers need many protections no doubt otherwise they will be happily exploited. So if unions are non existent then we need to protect every and any regulation protecting gthem against willfully bad employers who are everywhere.

 

[FA_Q2]

Unions can be good or bad and it is each persons personal experience. I'm not sure why the people that work for unions want to force me to take a union job? I have no interest.

I have no interest in forcing you to take a Union job. However, I will fight tooth and nail if you come into the company I work for and try to do my job. If it's a Union job don't apply for it unless you're willing to join the Union.

Yea, you would rather people do without jobs if they can't do it your way. It should be up to the company who they want to hire and not overbearing greedy unions.

The core problem with unions today.
I have no problem with a union. What I have a problem with is being FORCED to join your union as a condition of employment. That is asinine.

At no time are you ever forced to not be a union employee. You and your coworkers have a legal RIGHT to join a union. Interestingly enough - I don't have the same right to not be part of a union. That is asinine.

 

[initforme]

When it comes to trusting ones employer that is a problem also... they don't want to look after their good employees.

 

[Anathema]

Yea, you would rather people do without jobs if they can't do it your way. It should be up to the company who they want to hire and not overbearing greedy unions.

Not at all. The Company sets the job qualifications and pics the employees. The only thing we expect is that the Company is honest with these people that they will have to join the Union to accept the job.

 

[Harry Dresden]

your dodging the question Kosh.....

AM I dodging a hypothetical question designed in an unrealistic scenario for me?

Kosh i dont care if your a fucking Millionaire....its a simple question for anti-Union people....if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION..... .but dont feel bad,if you notice none of the anti-union people here have said anything.....i asked this before in a Union thread were i was being pushed around a circle by the anti-union people....no one answered the question in that one.....which told me....they would,but were waiting to see who would be the first one to reply......like i said.....silence.....at least you said something....

If I needed the job, yes I would take it. When you have a great need, you do a lot of things that you would otherwise not want to do.

What is your point with this question?

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

sounds like an excuse.....is SS voluntary?....taking that Union job is.....

 

[FA_Q2]

When it comes to trusting ones employer that is a problem also... they don't want to look after their good employees.

Why would you trust your employer?

Is it your employers responsibility to look after you? No, that is YOUR responsibility. The employee looks after themselves. The company looks after itself. It is asinine to think that the company bears some vaunted responsibility for you - that is not why they exist. In that same manner, it is not your responsibility to look after the company. That is why you can simply walk out the door when a competitor offers a better rate for your time or better benefits. The concept is not hard to understand and yet almost no one seems to get it anymore. Personal responsibility - a concept completely foreign to Americans today.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Unions can be good or bad and it is each persons personal experience. I'm not sure why the people that work for unions want to force me to take a union job? I have no interest.

I have no interest in forcing you to take a Union job. However, I will fight tooth and nail if you come into the company I work for and try to do my job. If it's a Union job don't apply for it unless you're willing to join the Union.

Yea, you would rather people do without jobs if they can't do it your way. It should be up to the company who they want to hire and not overbearing greedy unions.

The core problem with unions today.
I have no problem with a union. What I have a problem with is being FORCED to join your union as a condition of employment. That is asinine.

At no time are you ever forced to not be a union employee. You and your coworkers have a legal RIGHT to join a union. Interestingly enough - I don't have the same right to not be part of a union. That is asinine.

thats not true of all Unions.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

When it comes to trusting ones employer that is a problem also... they don't want to look after their good employees.

Why would you trust your employer?

Is it your employers responsibility to look after you? No, that is YOUR responsibility. The employee looks after themselves. The company looks after itself. It is asinine to think that the company bears some vaunted responsibility for you - that is not why they exist. In that same manner, it is not your responsibility to look after the company. That is why you can simply walk out the door when a competitor offers a better rate for your time or better benefits. The concept is not hard to understand and yet almost no one seems to get it anymore. Personal responsibility - a concept completely foreign to Americans today.

if the company wants the best people working for them they will take care of their employees,who in turn, will take care of the company by making it one of the best....

 

[FA_Q2]

AM I dodging a hypothetical question designed in an unrealistic scenario for me?

Kosh i dont care if your a fucking Millionaire....its a simple question for anti-Union people....if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION..... .but dont feel bad,if you notice none of the anti-union people here have said anything.....i asked this before in a Union thread were i was being pushed around a circle by the anti-union people....no one answered the question in that one.....which told me....they would,but were waiting to see who would be the first one to reply......like i said.....silence.....at least you said something....

If I needed the job, yes I would take it. When you have a great need, you do a lot of things that you would otherwise not want to do.

What is your point with this question?

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

sounds like an excuse.....is SS voluntary?....taking that Union job is.....

your stipulations MADE it involuntary:
if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION

Feeding my family is not an 'option.' It is a requirement.

Further, I take the jobs that I believe will supply me with the greatest benefit, period. If that means I have to deal with a blood sucker then that is what I do. Why would I do differently? Unless that aspect adds something that is not worth the added benefit, I have no reason whatsoever to pass it up. That does not mean I have to agree with the requirements but it also does not mean that I should pass up opportunity just because one aspect of it is broken. It seems to me that you are tying to force someone either not take a union job or call them a hypocrite. That is asinine and wrong.

 

[FA_Q2]

Unions can be good or bad and it is each persons personal experience. I'm not sure why the people that work for unions want to force me to take a union job? I have no interest.

I have no interest in forcing you to take a Union job. However, I will fight tooth and nail if you come into the company I work for and try to do my job. If it's a Union job don't apply for it unless you're willing to join the Union.

Yea, you would rather people do without jobs if they can't do it your way. It should be up to the company who they want to hire and not overbearing greedy unions.

The core problem with unions today.
I have no problem with a union. What I have a problem with is being FORCED to join your union as a condition of employment. That is asinine.

At no time are you ever forced to not be a union employee. You and your coworkers have a legal RIGHT to join a union. Interestingly enough - I don't have the same right to not be part of a union. That is asinine.

thats not true of all Unions.....

No, its not and I have little to no problem with those type of unions that are VOLUNTARY. They are an integral part to freedom.

I have SERIOUS issue with those that are not voluntary and those that use violence against non-union companies.

 

[FA_Q2]

When it comes to trusting ones employer that is a problem also... they don't want to look after their good employees.

Why would you trust your employer?

Is it your employers responsibility to look after you? No, that is YOUR responsibility. The employee looks after themselves. The company looks after itself. It is asinine to think that the company bears some vaunted responsibility for you - that is not why they exist. In that same manner, it is not your responsibility to look after the company. That is why you can simply walk out the door when a competitor offers a better rate for your time or better benefits. The concept is not hard to understand and yet almost no one seems to get it anymore. Personal responsibility - a concept completely foreign to Americans today.

if the company wants the best people working for them they will take care of their employees,who in turn, will take care of the company by making it one of the best....

Yes, they will. What is your point? Nothing there refutes anything I stated.

You are responsible for yourself - not the company. A GOOD company recognizes those employees that are worth the added expenses required to keep them. A good employee finds those companies. Interesting that a union facilitates neither of those outcomes...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Kosh i dont care if your a fucking Millionaire....its a simple question for anti-Union people....if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION..... .but dont feel bad,if you notice none of the anti-union people here have said anything.....i asked this before in a Union thread were i was being pushed around a circle by the anti-union people....no one answered the question in that one.....which told me....they would,but were waiting to see who would be the first one to reply......like i said.....silence.....at least you said something....

If I needed the job, yes I would take it. When you have a great need, you do a lot of things that you would otherwise not want to do.

What is your point with this question?

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

sounds like an excuse.....is SS voluntary?....taking that Union job is.....

your stipulations MADE it involuntary:
if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION

Feeding my family is not an 'option.' It is a requirement.

Further, I take the jobs that I believe will supply me with the greatest benefit, period. If that means I have to deal with a blood sucker then that is what I do. Why would I do differently? Unless that aspect adds something that is not worth the added benefit, I have no reason whatsoever to pass it up. That does not mean I have to agree with the requirements but it also does not mean that I should pass up opportunity just because one aspect of it is broken. It seems to me that you are tying to force someone either not take a union job or call them a hypocrite. That is asinine and wrong.

no i did not....you can go get a shit job somewhere......i did not say it was the only job out there...i just said it was available and you could get it......it seems to me you are trying to spin what i said ......and that is asinine and wrong....

 

[1776]

Liberals tolerate bullying when it benefits them.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Of course you will...you LOVE extortion!

no because in a right to work state they can work you 12 hours without even a break. doesn't matter the weather or anything. I also support unions because typically you get better wages and benefits.

But hey you keep posting like an ass.

That simply isn't true. Each state is different.

Florida , for example , is a right to work state and by law employees are entitled to a 30 minute meal break if they work at least 6-8 hours.

I'm sure there are other examples.

 

[FA_Q2]

If I needed the job, yes I would take it. When you have a great need, you do a lot of things that you would otherwise not want to do.

What is your point with this question?

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

sounds like an excuse.....is SS voluntary?....taking that Union job is.....

your stipulations MADE it involuntary:
if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION

Feeding my family is not an 'option.' It is a requirement.

Further, I take the jobs that I believe will supply me with the greatest benefit, period. If that means I have to deal with a blood sucker then that is what I do. Why would I do differently? Unless that aspect adds something that is not worth the added benefit, I have no reason whatsoever to pass it up. That does not mean I have to agree with the requirements but it also does not mean that I should pass up opportunity just because one aspect of it is broken. It seems to me that you are tying to force someone either not take a union job or call them a hypocrite. That is asinine and wrong.

no i did not....you can go get a shit job somewhere......i did not say it was the only job out there...i just said it was available and you could get it......it seems to me you are trying to spin what i said ......and that is asinine and wrong....

Then address the rest.
So far I don't think you actually wanted an answer to your question. you have yet to make a point with it.

 

[FA_Q2]

Of course you will...you LOVE extortion!

no because in a right to work state they can work you 12 hours without even a break. doesn't matter the weather or anything. I also support unions because typically you get better wages and benefits.

But hey you keep posting like an ass.

That simply isn't true. Each state is different.

Florida , for example , is a right to work state and by law employees are entitled to a 30 minute meal break if they work at least 6-8 hours.

I'm sure there are other examples.

I would like to see the state laws that support Plasma's assertion considering I have never seen anything like what he is claiming.

I would bet that the ONLY area where such is even remotely true is in a one deep job where there are no other options. A gas station attendant where there is no relief for example. Such is allowed in EVERY state and there are other requirements to that as well such as the employee must be able to take breaks as needed on the clock and have time to eat a meal. That does not sound all doom and gloom though.

 

[Harry Dresden]

you have to ask?.....there are people here bad mouthing unions....but when you need a job....a union job dont look to bad does it?...i was in a thread about unions were a bunch of people got on me about 2 things.....1...i took a Govt job.....2 ...i had the gall and audacity to join the Union....this thread was in the old forum and was bigger than this thread way more people in it....when i asked the same question to all the anti-union people in that thread.....not one of those fuckers answered me.....because if they would have said no,they knew they would a lying sack of shit.....i was called a leech a teet sucker....someone to stupid to get a real job.....but yet not one fucking reply from all those assholes.....and on top of that i was neg repped a few times ....now that hurt....

Yes I have to ask because that entire line of reasoning is pretty damn dumb. Just because you are against the principals of a particular system or concept does not mean that you cannot be forced into it. It is like Social Security. The left here have challenged those against the current Social Security system many times to not draw it when the time come or they are hypocrites. Of course that is asinine considering that, through the force of law, they are forced to fund the program and therefore have the right to draw from it weather or not they disagree with the system in general. I don't see a whole lot of differences with unions. We live in a world that supports those unions both public and private and there may very well be a time when you need to be a participant in that process for the good of yourself and your family. There is no reason I can think of to purposefully stab yourself ion the back because you don't like the fact that a particular job is union or not.

I find the idea of being 'anti-union' in of itself rather dumb anyway. Unionism, at its core, is nothing more than workers banning together and working as a team. The problem is not the idea of unions but rather what they have become and how they are implemented today.

sounds like an excuse.....is SS voluntary?....taking that Union job is.....

your stipulations MADE it involuntary:
if you needed a job,had a family to feed,would you take a good paying good benefit UNION job?....or would you pass just because its UNION

Feeding my family is not an 'option.' It is a requirement.

Further, I take the jobs that I believe will supply me with the greatest benefit, period. If that means I have to deal with a blood sucker then that is what I do. Why would I do differently? Unless that aspect adds something that is not worth the added benefit, I have no reason whatsoever to pass it up. That does not mean I have to agree with the requirements but it also does not mean that I should pass up opportunity just because one aspect of it is broken. It seems to me that you are tying to force someone either not take a union job or call them a hypocrite. That is asinine and wrong.

no i did not....you can go get a shit job somewhere......i did not say it was the only job out there...i just said it was available and you could get it......it seems to me you are trying to spin what i said ......and that is asinine and wrong....

Then address the rest.
So far I don't think you actually wanted an answer to your question. you have yet to make a point with it.

what the fuck?.....am i talking to a Dean clone?....you answered the question.....and if you dont get the point.....i dont know what the fuck to tell you....it was a simple question.....even Franco could handle it....

 

[FA_Q2]

what the fuck?.....am i talking to a Dean clone?....you answered the question.....and if you dont get the point.....i dont know what the fuck to tell you....it was a simple question.....even Franco could handle it....

That is an awful lot of vitriol without reason.

Whatever. I thought you wanted a reasonable conversation around it.